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Topic: WHY DO WE FEEL THE NEED TO HELP EACH OTHER?
tribo's photo
Sun 11/23/08 01:54 PM
wHAT IS THIS MORAL OBLIGATION TO HELP THOSE IN NEED? WHY DON'T WE [LIKE THE ANIMALS] JUST LET WHATEVER HAPPENS TO OTHERS JUST HAPPEN AND ACCEPT IT AS A NORMAL THING??

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Sun 11/23/08 01:57 PM
Wow, what kind of animals do you have in your life!!! ohwell

Seriously, it's the same kind of thing that differentiates us from animals in other ways, like, why we don't have sex simply out of instinct for procreation, why we can expand thoughts and create, etc.

Ted14621's photo
Sun 11/23/08 01:57 PM
Unlike animals, we have compassion

tanyaann's photo
Sun 11/23/08 01:58 PM
It is engrained in every human to seek out love, in that we do good for others. [If that made any sense]

tribo's photo
Sun 11/23/08 02:02 PM

Wow, what kind of animals do you have in your life!!! ohwell

Seriously, it's the same kind of thing that differentiates us from animals in other ways, like, why we don't have sex simply out of instinct for procreation, why we can expand thoughts and create, etc.


Thnx SKPCG, i was meaning wildlife, not domestic. eat or be eaten, kill or be killed, survival of the fittest, etc..

I'm not saying we should, i'm asking why we don't, what is it within us that moves us to do so as compared to animal life?


tribo's photo
Sun 11/23/08 02:05 PM

Unlike animals, we have compassion



but we are animals Ted, no? and there are some animals that do try to help or protect injured or sick or dieing ones, but most donot. so if we and some animals do this where does this compassion come from? Why do we have it and others do not?

tribo's photo
Sun 11/23/08 02:07 PM

It is engrained in every human to seek out love, in that we do good for others. [If that made any sense]


That makes absolutely no sense at all my lady tongue2 but i still hope your feeling better in spite of your inablity to make sense - :laughing: flowers

tanyaann's photo
Sun 11/23/08 02:10 PM


It is engrained in every human to seek out love, in that we do good for others. [If that made any sense]


That makes absolutely no sense at all my lady tongue2 but i still hope your feeling better in spite of your inablity to make sense - :laughing: flowers


okay let me explain a little more...

If you look at every religion they are generally based in peace and love.

So even if religion was only a man-made concept, they it would seem that we would seek out love. Not love in a sense of sexual or familial love. But in that there should be some kind of balance or peace.

Peace and love! ah screw it.... lets just all put flowers in our hair... dance around half dressed and smoke the peace pipe! :laughing:

tribo's photo
Sun 11/23/08 02:17 PM
Ill be over shortly - drool laugh :tongue:

tanyaann's photo
Sun 11/23/08 02:18 PM

Ill be over shortly - drool laugh :tongue:


rofl

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Sun 11/23/08 02:23 PM
Edited by tribo on Sun 11/23/08 02:29 PM
T said

okay let me explain a little more...If you look at every religion they are generally based in peace and love. So even if religion was only a man-made concept, they it would seem that we would seek out love. Not love in a sense of sexual or familial love. But in that there should be some kind of balance or peace.


your correct history show this as a fact that groups religious or not do so , but they also war aginst each other, yet still some will bring in orphan's like the NA's, or others where many cultures would kill a whole village? why do you suppose as a people we act so diff. from one another when its those outside our zone so to say - strangers? are there really any strangers? are we not all the same?

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Sun 11/23/08 02:23 PM
Oh, Tanya, LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE!!! rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

There is no way to answer this poser. We were CREATED differently from animals in SO MANY WAYS, emotionally, physically, consciously, but we will NEVER KNOW WHY!!! It's up there with "What's the meaning of life" and I know for sure my cats have NEVER asked this!!!! slaphead

tribo's photo
Sun 11/23/08 02:26 PM
cats dont have to answer they already know why - and they could care less if we dont - :tongue:

tanyaann's photo
Sun 11/23/08 02:28 PM

T said

[qoute]okay let me explain a little more...

If you look at every religion they are generally based in peace and love.

So even if religion was only a man-made concept, they it would seem that we would seek out love. Not love in a sense of sexual or familial love. But in that there should be some kind of balance or peace.


your correct history show this as a fact that groups religious or not do so , but they also war aginst each other, yet still some will bring in orphan's like the NA's, or others where many cultures would kill a whole village? why do you suppose as a people we act so diff. from one another when its those outside our zone so to say - strangers? are there really any strangers? are we not all the same?



Fear is what cause us to have a 'bad' side and do things as mentioned above.

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Sun 11/23/08 02:28 PM

cats dont have to answer they already know why - and they could care less if we dont - :tongue:


They sure want to know the meaning of "why isn't this bowl full?"!!!! rofl rofl rofl Well, they usually share everything else with me, little smartasses that they are, so they should impart such pearls of wisdom to me. They know we were made to accommodate their preferred lifestyle, that's for DARN SURE!!! I've been TOLD!!! rofl rofl rofl

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Sun 11/23/08 02:32 PM


cats dont have to answer they already know why - and they could care less if we dont - :tongue:


They sure want to know the meaning of "why isn't this bowl full?"!!!! rofl rofl rofl Well, they usually share everything else with me, little smartasses that they are, so they should impart such pearls of wisdom to me. They know we were made to accommodate their preferred lifestyle, that's for DARN SURE!!! I've been TOLD!!! rofl rofl rofl


they are the master race, there just hoping we dont catch on and put them out to fend for themseves again - :tongue:

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Sun 11/23/08 02:56 PM
WHY DO WE FEEL THE NEED TO HELP EACH OTHER?


Because contrary to what the Bible claims, we're actually nice. flowerforyou

WHY DON'T WE [LIKE THE ANIMALS] JUST LET WHATEVER HAPPENS TO OTHERS JUST HAPPEN AND ACCEPT IT AS A NORMAL THING??


I've personally seen animals exhibit campassion and caring.

They probably don't go into it in depth simply because of their mental limitations to dwell on things in great detail.

But I have definitely seen animals exhibit concern over the anguish of another animals, and over the anguish of humans.

I've seen large dogs protect smaller dogs. I've seen pet dogs protecting pet cats, and children from external threats. I've seem them appear to show concern when others are hurt.

You'll never convince me that they have no clue what they are doing.

I've also watched wildlife shows where mother animals appear to be very concerned about the wellbeing of their babies.

In fact, Just the other day I was driving down the road and a large flock of turkeys started to cross the road in front of me. I stopped and watch. The adult turkeys appeared to be to be very concerned about getting all their little babies across the road. They stood around like school gaurds and waited for the younger birds to cross.

Clearly there's some sense of 'society' going on there. They aren't just out for every bird for itself.

That's just a gross misconception of what's going on.

They may not have the cerebral depth to logically take it to the extremes that humans do. But I think they clearly have some level of compassion.

We aren't as different from animals as we'd like to believe.

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Sun 11/23/08 02:59 PM
wHAT IS THIS MORAL OBLIGATION TO HELP THOSE IN NEED? WHY DON'T WE [LIKE THE ANIMALS] JUST LET WHATEVER HAPPENS TO OTHERS JUST HAPPEN AND ACCEPT IT AS A NORMAL THING??


I don't equate "moral obligation" with "desire to help".

Moral obligation is a result of having agreed to follow a set of rules.

Morals are simply rules or laws. The “agreement to follow” is the obligation part.

On the other hand, “desire to help” is a result of ethics, which is distinctly different from morals. Ethics are the personal choices we make to contribute to (or detract from) the welfare and/or happiness of ourselves and others.

So one could help others because of an agreement that that is the thing one should do. Or one could help others because one thinks that helping them would increase one’s own welfare and/or happiness – or at least mitigate a decrease.


tribo's photo
Sun 11/23/08 03:08 PM

WHY DO WE FEEL THE NEED TO HELP EACH OTHER?


Because contrary to what the Bible claims, we're actually nice. flowerforyou

WHY DON'T WE [LIKE THE ANIMALS] JUST LET WHATEVER HAPPENS TO OTHERS JUST HAPPEN AND ACCEPT IT AS A NORMAL THING??


I've personally seen animals exhibit campassion and caring.

They probably don't go into it in depth simply because of their mental limitations to dwell on things in great detail.

But I have definitely seen animals exhibit concern over the anguish of another animals, and over the anguish of humans.

I've seen large dogs protect smaller dogs. I've seen pet dogs protecting pet cats, and children from external threats. I've seem them appear to show concern when others are hurt.

You'll never convince me that they have no clue what they are doing.

I've also watched wildlife shows where mother animals appear to be very concerned about the wellbeing of their babies.

In fact, Just the other day I was driving down the road and a large flock of turkeys started to cross the road in front of me. I stopped and watch. The adult turkeys appeared to be to be very concerned about getting all their little babies across the road. They stood around like school gaurds and waited for the younger birds to cross.

Clearly there's some sense of 'society' going on there. They aren't just out for every bird for itself.

That's just a gross misconception of what's going on.

They may not have the cerebral depth to logically take it to the extremes that humans do. But I think they clearly have some level of compassion.

We aren't as different from animals as we'd like to believe.

i agree majyk man, try reading the rest of my post before replying, i've already stated such!!! tongue2

but on the other hand, there are also many that eat thier young or kill there young for whatever reasons also. many fish exibit this as do mammals, they are scavengers and cannabilistic in nature.

but what i'm asking is why are we caring why do we feel the need to help? what moses us to do so? its not religion as you and others say, it's beyond that from what i can sense.and its in all of us to varying degrees - yet in some its seems almost absent? why is that?

tribo's photo
Sun 11/23/08 03:09 PM

wHAT IS THIS MORAL OBLIGATION TO HELP THOSE IN NEED? WHY DON'T WE [LIKE THE ANIMALS] JUST LET WHATEVER HAPPENS TO OTHERS JUST HAPPEN AND ACCEPT IT AS A NORMAL THING??


I don't equate "moral obligation" with "desire to help".

Moral obligation is a result of having agreed to follow a set of rules.

Morals are simply rules or laws. The “agreement to follow” is the obligation part.

On the other hand, “desire to help” is a result of ethics, which is distinctly different from morals. Ethics are the personal choices we make to contribute to (or detract from) the welfare and/or happiness of ourselves and others.

So one could help others because of an agreement that that is the thing one should do. Or one could help others because one thinks that helping them would increase one’s own welfare and/or happiness – or at least mitigate a decrease.



fine Sky, call it what you will - but read what i just posted to abra and answer.

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