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Would You Die For your belief in Jesus????
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Who's Jesus?
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DON'T THINK SO
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Not sure I would put it that way...
But, I will not deny Him...even if it results in my death. At least not in theory....having never been actually tested in that regard. |
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Not sure I would put it that way... But, I will not deny Him...even if it results in my death. At least not in theory....having never been actually tested in that regard. Totally agree with that statement. |
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Would You Die For your belief in Jesus???? A better question is would you kill for your belief in jesus? |
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I have been tested in my Beliefs not Jc. I lost all I had 500k+ and my job and a year in jail. I tried to do what i thought was right and i have more faith now how I would or can handle my faith. I do not know if anyone knows about death. many people not even giving it a second thought have given thier lives for another person. We can talk all we want and it is hard to say what you will do untill it happens. killing for the Messiah I believe goes against everything he stands for. I do not believe I am capable of killing anyone unless maybe in defence of someone else who was being attacked. Then I believe you are required to defend the innocent no matter what the outcome to yourself.
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I have been tested in my Beliefs not Jc. I lost all I had 500k+ and my job and a year in jail. I tried to do what i thought was right and i have more faith now how I would or can handle my faith. I do not know if anyone knows about death. many people not even giving it a second thought have given thier lives for another person. We can talk all we want and it is hard to say what you will do untill it happens. killing for the Messiah I believe goes against everything he stands for. I do not believe I am capable of killing anyone unless maybe in defence of someone else who was being attacked. Then I believe you are required to defend the innocent no matter what the outcome to yourself. And Not to get too off topic but does that include bombing abortion clinics? Are they terrorists, are they any diffrent than the ones the flew the planes into the towers? |
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Would You Die For your belief in Jesus???? eventually yes everyone wants to go to Heaven but nobody wants to go today |
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I think a better question would be to ask if anyone believes that Jesus would want anyone to die for his sake?
What kind of an egotistical pig do they think he is?  Many Christians believe (and I think the Bible even says) that when Jesus returns every knee will bow and ever tongue will confess that He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. That's a hell of an egotistical God right there. Does Jesus really have that big of an ego? Or does this egotisical notion belong to the idiots who wrote this mythology? Personally I'm convinced it's the latter. I can't believe that Jesus would be such an egotistical pig. That a human fraility, not a divine trait of a supreme being. This who concept stems from the manmade desire of the people who created this religion to imply that anyone who doesn't believe in THEIR GOD will eventually have to confess that they were wrong.  It's an extremely egotistical notion. In fact, the whole Bible is about an egotistical God from the word go. The first thing God commands is that he is a jealous God and that thou shalt have no other God's before him. He's a self-confessed egotist right off the bad in his own book. The Christian God is an egotist. Pure and simple. By its own proclamation. There's no getting around it. That's what it is. It's an egotistical jealous judgmental God who refuses to take any sh!t from anyone except a stupid fallen angel (and all of that angel's allies) that he can't friggin control. Satan already won that vast bulk of souls that God had created during the Great Flood. And according to Jesus Satan continues to win the vast majority of souls. Jesus said that that few will make it to the kingdom of God. That means that Satan wins the vast majority of souls that God creates. The Biblical God is a loser. Satan is the winner. This is by the Bible's own proclamation including the words attributed to Jesus. God creates souls, but Satan wins the vast majority of them according to the Bible. So according to the Bible, God is both a jealous egotist, and a loser. That's just what the book says. What can I say? Who can deny it? |
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I would yes. I would also die to defend AMERICA
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I have been tested in my Beliefs not Jc. I lost all I had 500k+ and my job and a year in jail. I tried to do what i thought was right and i have more faith now how I would or can handle my faith. I do not know if anyone knows about death. many people not even giving it a second thought have given thier lives for another person. We can talk all we want and it is hard to say what you will do untill it happens. killing for the Messiah I believe goes against everything he stands for. I do not believe I am capable of killing anyone unless maybe in defence of someone else who was being attacked. Then I believe you are required to defend the innocent no matter what the outcome to yourself. And Not to get too off topic but does that include bombing abortion clinics? Are they terrorists, are they any diffrent than the ones the flew the planes into the towers? Absolutely they are wrong. They should pay for any bombings. That is not trying to protect or defend an immenent threat to someone. Thier is alot of difference. Anyone who will say killing or attacking anything as an objective to threaten them is anti- Messiah. They are worse than the ones they despise because they do it under a cloak of religion and they really become more vial to Yahweh then the ones they attack. No Apostle attacked or disiples that we know of in at least the 1st century when The Spirit was in Full Bloom as an example for all Believers |
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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Fri 11/14/08 08:03 PM
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I think a better question would be to ask if anyone believes that Jesus would want anyone to die for his sake? What kind of an egotistical pig do they think he is? Many Christians believe (and I think the Bible even says) that when Jesus returns every knee will bow and ever tongue will confess that He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. That's a hell of an egotistical God right there. Does Jesus really have that big of an ego? Or does this egotisical notion belong to the idiots who wrote this mythology? Personally I'm convinced it's the latter. I can't believe that Jesus would be such an egotistical pig. That a human fraility, not a divine trait of a supreme being. This who concept stems from the manmade desire of the people who created this religion to imply that anyone who doesn't believe in THEIR GOD will eventually have to confess that they were wrong. It's an extremely egotistical notion. In fact, the whole Bible is about an egotistical God from the word go. The first thing God commands is that he is a jealous God and that thou shalt have no other God's before him. He's a self-confessed egotist right off the bad in his own book. The Christian God is an egotist. Pure and simple. By its own proclamation. There's no getting around it. That's what it is. It's an egotistical jealous judgmental God who refuses to take any sh!t from anyone except a stupid fallen angel (and all of that angel's allies) that he can't friggin control. Satan already won that vast bulk of souls that God had created during the Great Flood. And according to Jesus Satan continues to win the vast majority of souls. Jesus said that that few will make it to the kingdom of God. That means that Satan wins the vast majority of souls that God creates. The Biblical God is a loser. Satan is the winner. This is by the Bible's own proclamation including the words attributed to Jesus. God creates souls, but Satan wins the vast majority of them according to the Bible. So according to the Bible, God is both a jealous egotist, and a loser. That's just what the book says. What can I say? Who can deny it? The whole thought thier Abra which is sad to say gets twisted for mans own benefit and usually has to do with Power. Yahshua told us about who a true friend is. He gave us an example when he died for us. He is saying look beyond your own selfish self. Look at what you can do to help your brother. Who is your brother? He said those who will treat you with dignity. Who in time of need if you can provide for them then do it. Do not wait for someone else. What comes before you do what is right. Dying for someone is a selfish act that is saying I truely believe thier is more than this life. A greater life than this life. And who can say that thier is no greater friend than when you are in danger would fight/ protect you even giving thier life. How can any philosophy say that is not the greatest act of love. |
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I would yes. I would also die to defend AMERICA I can see dying to defend your loved ones. But why would you feel you need to defend Jesus? Do you think he's incapable of defending himself? I mean, there's absolutely no comparison or analogy between defending a country (loved ones) from enemies, and feeling a need to defend a supposedly all-powerful God. Where's the connection between these two concepts?
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How can any philosophy say that is not the greatest act of love. Well then, according to you the men we call terroists who flew plans into the World Trade Center in the NAME of their God were performing the greatest act of LOVE! That precisely where this line of thinking lead Miles. You die for Jesus and call it love, they die for Allah and call it love. And the whole world blows itself up in the name of LOVE. That's where this kind of religious thinking leads - to Holy Wars where everyone thinks they are on the side of God.  |
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But why would you feel you need to defend Jesus? You are creating strawmen again. The question was "Would You Die For your belief in Jesus????" and the answer was "I would yes. I would also die to defend AMERICA" At no point did anyone say anything about dying to defend Jesus, until you posted. Now you have another post, where Miles said this: Dying for someone is a selfish act that is saying I truely believe thier is more than this life. A greater life than this life. And who can say that thier is no greater friend than when you are in danger would fight/ protect you even giving thier life. How can any philosophy say that is not the greatest act of love. And you respond with this: Well then, according to you the men we call terroists who flew plans into the World Trade Center in the NAME of their God were performing the greatest act of LOVE! Where did you get that idea from? Who were those guys dying to defend? And how were the people in the planes / towers a threat to the people the terrorists were trying to defend? I don't often agree with Miles, but I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that he is talking about laying down ones life in a dangerous situation to save a friend. He isn't talking about terrorizing the innocent, because you think their religion or government has wronged you. |
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well the question wasnt would i die to defend Jesus. it was would i die for my belief in Jesus. I just also put out there what else I would die for.
not sure how you are trtying to make a comparison there except to make an argument. |
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yup i would. die for jesus.
for my belief in him. yuppers. he died for me. i would also die for my kids. |
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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Fri 11/14/08 08:45 PM
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How can any philosophy say that is not the greatest act of love. Well then, according to you the men we call terroists who flew plans into the World Trade Center in the NAME of their God were performing the greatest act of LOVE! That precisely where this line of thinking lead Miles. You die for Jesus and call it love, they die for Allah and call it love. And the whole world blows itself up in the name of LOVE. That's where this kind of religious thinking leads - to Holy Wars where everyone thinks they are on the side of God. Abra.. I do not believe you believe that is what I was saying. Spider has it correct. Immentant danger. Protecting anyone from harm. I did not really even mention religion except to say he gave us an example of love what a true friend is. The scriptures also say if you see someone in need and you can provide it and do not then you are wrong. And that if you know better you are wrong.. Sometimes simple statements are taken out of context. For no reason it seems like |
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I did not really even mention religion except to say he gave us an example of love what a true friend is. But Jesus didn't die for his belief in you. He supposedly died to save your soul from Satan. So if you're going to use his example at least get it right. Actually if you believe the Bible it was suicide anyway. Because he was supposedly SENT HERE specifically FOR that suicide mission. In fact, none of the men who actually nailed him to the pole could be blamed for it. Clearly if this was God's plan to send his son to die as a sacrifical lamb to appease his own rules that the wages of sin is death, then those men who actually nailed him to the cross were actually doing God's will. Otherwise God's plan would have failed. The whole picture is nonsensical from the word go. If God sent Jesus to be a sacrificial lamb then anyone who nailed him to the cross was actually doing the will of God. And anyone who would have tried to prevent it would have been interfering with God's will. Face it. This Mediterranean mythology doesn't make anymore sense than Greek Mythology and even uses the same major concepts (like blood sacrifices) which is the very basis beyond the crucifixion. Would you die for your belief in Zeus? Probably not. Because you probably don't believe in Zeus. But then why would you believe in a God of Mediterranean mythology that is hardly any different at all? |
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