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But that is my point I guess...Because GOD IS IN EVERYTHING....Every little thing that happens in this world he knows about and he knew exactly what everyone is going to do before "they even know" what they are going to do. Yes God is the creator of all, but also with us 24/7. well I guess that puts an end to that "Free Will" theory I guess we should blame him then everytime a baby gets raped? |
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But that is my point I guess...Because GOD IS IN EVERYTHING....Every little thing that happens in this world he knows about and he knew exactly what everyone is going to do before "they even know" what they are going to do. Yes God is the creator of all, but also with us 24/7. well I guess that puts an end to that "Free Will" theory I guess we should blame him then everytime a baby gets raped? God works in mysterious ways |
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I would not call nature Gods handiwork as much as He said and it was done. As for the Bible big huge one for me. Yes it was written by man and "INSPIRED" of God...I don't think that God would let a book that was not all of him remain here for 2000 years if it was not exactly as it was intended. Which is a blueprint for the way man should live.....imo
Well, there are several books that are still here that are that old. Besides, the "Bible" is not all 2000 years old, and you should know that. The Bible was not all written at the same time, some of it was written even a hundred of more years after Christ's death. It was certainly put together, as the books of the Bible are a compilation of lots of book gathered together by man to attain a certain agenda, well after Christ's death................ And you can't believe in Jesus Christ as a savior without the Bible as an authority. Which is ok.......you can use it, I just don't like it when people argue that it is the word of God, as if the word of God could be contained in a book, but when you bring that up, people say of course all of God's words can't be contained therein..........but if that is the case, then you are missing something. Anyhoo, there is no valid argument that the Bible is anymore the "word of God" than the Koran........or any other such writings that claim the same. |
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But that is my point I guess...Because GOD IS IN EVERYTHING....Every little thing that happens in this world he knows about and he knew exactly what everyone is going to do before "they even know" what they are going to do. Yes God is the creator of all, but also with us 24/7. well I guess that puts an end to that "Free Will" theory I never said "free will" existed.............of course when you have choices that are available to you, you can exercise your choice...........but what about those that are unavailable?? I do not believe "God" to be a person, or even a being, or that "God" has a personality as we do. I think we make "God" up.........God, is all in all to me. Not a person, but a compilation. I do not believe God is magical, or that he/she/it will intervene in my life for any reason. I certainly have a personal relationship with "God" as "God" is a part of me.........but so does everyone else on the planet. I do not feel the need to separate myself from them, I am them, they are me...........I am just separated by this body, and a mind that things in linear terms........... Anyhoo, I don't have it all figured out, nor do I claim what I "believe" to be factual or truth for everyone. Feral, you asked what we believed, and I told you. As a matter of fact, what I believe now could change tomorrow........especially if I learn or experience something that changes the way I think. Change, it is the only constant. |
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Very funny deb, i think you ought to start your own date site and you can do that with all the post - that way you'll never have an arguement - 
call it - "mangle" It was pretty good huh...,.roglh That's the beauty of God leading you...There is nothing that can be said that God doesn't have an answer for....Kinda cool huh. |
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Freewill to come to God is always there....And God doesn't rape man does.....oh yeaaaaaaaaa sinful man...
But that is my point I guess...Because GOD IS IN EVERYTHING....Every little thing that happens in this world he knows about and he knew exactly what everyone is going to do before "they even know" what they are going to do. Yes God is the creator of all, but also with us 24/7. well I guess that puts an end to that "Free Will" theory I guess we should blame him then everytime a baby gets raped? |
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The Bible was not written in one specific year or in a single location. The Bible is a collection of writings, and the earliest ones were set down nearly 3500 years ago. So let's start at the beginning of this fascinating story. The first five books of the Bible are attributed to Moses and are commonly called the Pentateuch (literally "five scrolls"). Moses lived between 1500 and 1300 BC, though he recounts events in the first eleven chapters of the Bible that occurred long before his time (such as the creation and the flood). In those early societies there was no writing as yet and people passed on these oral accounts with great detail and accuracy. The earliest writing began when symbols were scratched or pressed on clay tablets. The Egyptians refined this technique and developed an early form of writing known as hieroglyphics. The Bible tells us that Moses was "educated in all the learning of the Egyptians", so he would have been familiar with the major writing systems of his time. We also read that God gave Moses "two tablets of the Testimony, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God"(Exodus 31:18). All this leads to the conclusion that the earliest writings in the Bible were set down around 1400 BC. The writings of the thirty or so other contributors to the Old Testament span a thousand years! They recount the times and messages from Moses' successor, Joshua, to the last of the Old Testament prophets, Malachi, who wrote his little tract around 450 BC. Then there is a 500-year period when no writings were contributed to the Bible. This is the period between the testaments, when Alexander the Great conquered much of the world and when the Greek language was introduced to the Hebrews. Indeed, they began to use Greek so much that the Hebrew language was replaced by Greek and by another language, Aramaic, which was spoken all over that area of the world at that time. The New Testament was written during a much shorter period, i.e. during the last half of the first century AD. It was the coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, which ignited the flame that produced the New Testament, as the new faith swept across the Near East and then westward to Greece and on to Rome. Half of the New Testament books were contributed by one man, the Apostle Paul, in the epistles he sent to groups of new Christians and to his assistants Timothy and Titus. The Bible closes with a majestic book of visions and dramatic views of the future. It was penned by the aged Apostle John around 95 AD and describes the new heaven and the new earth when God's kingdom will embrace the universe and all rebellion and death will be a thing of the past. In looking at all these dates, the important thing to remember is that when the Bible was written is not as important as what was written. However, the when is important also as we sense how God's presence persisted through the centuries and gave us "in the fullness of time" the full-orbed revelation of salvation and hope through his son Jesus Christ. Oh yea Plain I totally believe God's hand was with every single man who wrote one word of the Bible....Just as I believe that today prophets are alive and well......fulfilling God's Gospel all over the lands. Unless you really have studied the Bible you would never know the complexity for which it holds. I don't think even for me if I read every day for the rest of my life would I know all of which it holds. |
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The Bible was not written in one specific year or in a single location. The Bible is a collection of writings, and the earliest ones were set down nearly 3500 years ago. So let's start at the beginning of this fascinating story. The first five books of the Bible are attributed to Moses and are commonly called the Pentateuch (literally "five scrolls"). Moses lived between 1500 and 1300 BC, though he recounts events in the first eleven chapters of the Bible that occurred long before his time (such as the creation and the flood). In those early societies there was no writing as yet and people passed on these oral accounts with great detail and accuracy. The earliest writing began when symbols were scratched or pressed on clay tablets. The Egyptians refined this technique and developed an early form of writing known as hieroglyphics. The Bible tells us that Moses was "educated in all the learning of the Egyptians", so he would have been familiar with the major writing systems of his time. We also read that God gave Moses "two tablets of the Testimony, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God"(Exodus 31:18). All this leads to the conclusion that the earliest writings in the Bible were set down around 1400 BC. The writings of the thirty or so other contributors to the Old Testament span a thousand years! They recount the times and messages from Moses' successor, Joshua, to the last of the Old Testament prophets, Malachi, who wrote his little tract around 450 BC. Then there is a 500-year period when no writings were contributed to the Bible. This is the period between the testaments, when Alexander the Great conquered much of the world and when the Greek language was introduced to the Hebrews. Indeed, they began to use Greek so much that the Hebrew language was replaced by Greek and by another language, Aramaic, which was spoken all over that area of the world at that time. The New Testament was written during a much shorter period, i.e. during the last half of the first century AD. It was the coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, which ignited the flame that produced the New Testament, as the new faith swept across the Near East and then westward to Greece and on to Rome. Half of the New Testament books were contributed by one man, the Apostle Paul, in the epistles he sent to groups of new Christians and to his assistants Timothy and Titus. The Bible closes with a majestic book of visions and dramatic views of the future. It was penned by the aged Apostle John around 95 AD and describes the new heaven and the new earth when God's kingdom will embrace the universe and all rebellion and death will be a thing of the past. In looking at all these dates, the important thing to remember is that when the Bible was written is not as important as what was written. However, the when is important also as we sense how God's presence persisted through the centuries and gave us "in the fullness of time" the full-orbed revelation of salvation and hope through his son Jesus Christ. Oh yea Plain I totally believe God's hand was with every single man who wrote one word of the Bible....Just as I believe that today prophets are alive and well......fulfilling God's Gospel all over the lands. Unless you really have studied the Bible you would never know the complexity for which it holds. I don't think even for me if I read every day for the rest of my life would I know all of which it holds.
your a much better kitty cat than a pit-bowl. 
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But that is my point I guess...Because GOD IS IN EVERYTHING....Every little thing that happens in this world he knows about and he knew exactly what everyone is going to do before "they even know" what they are going to do. Yes God is the creator of all, but also with us 24/7. well I guess that puts an end to that "Free Will" theory I never said "free will" existed.............of course when you have choices that are available to you, you can exercise your choice...........but what about those that are unavailable?? I do not believe "God" to be a person, or even a being, or that "God" has a personality as we do. I think we make "God" up.........God, is all in all to me. Not a person, but a compilation. I do not believe God is magical, or that he/she/it will intervene in my life for any reason. I certainly have a personal relationship with "God" as "God" is a part of me.........but so does everyone else on the planet. I do not feel the need to separate myself from them, I am them, they are me...........I am just separated by this body, and a mind that things in linear terms........... Anyhoo, I don't have it all figured out, nor do I claim what I "believe" to be factual or truth for everyone. Feral, you asked what we believed, and I told you. As a matter of fact, what I believe now could change tomorrow........especially if I learn or experience something that changes the way I think. Change, it is the only constant. I did ask and you told...and I was fine with it...I don't recall ragging on your beliefs as you did as soon as the opportunity arose...well ka sir ra sir ra...par for the course....It's easy to rip the Christians apart because we don't waiver in our beliefs and put it all out their. I got from you was that you were god, the mountains were god, the trees were god. No rationale behind it. I do love the fact that at least you are open minded and that is really cool...and probably one of my fav to debate because your a smart woman and have great questions or ways of looking at things. |
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why believe???? why not???? look at this way......its a 50/50 chance right. what have you lost if there is nothing...... and what do you lose if he does exist???? And how many are willing to take the chance and do things there way...I look at it another way. What do you have to loose....but ahhhhhhhhh all that you can gain.....It's all there for the choosing.... Choose wisely people. And if you coose the wrong god to worship then you burn in thats gods hell, So whats the diffrence? You have thousands of gods to choose from. Why is your the right one? Becouse a book says it is? Please, You have no evidence of a god and if you can't prove your claim then anyone that thinks rationaly can not take it seriously. So I have chosen wisely, it is you that has not. |
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I believe that Feral sets herself up ...
Dont'cha know GF that some people around here forget to take their meds. Where are their parents when they're needed??? LOL... |
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I believe that Feral sets herself up ... Dont'cha know GF that some people around here forget to take their meds. Where are their parents when they're needed??? LOL... Have you taken yours lately? |
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I so heart the tribo-meister you always make me smile...
The Bible was not written in one specific year or in a single location. The Bible is a collection of writings, and the earliest ones were set down nearly 3500 years ago. So let's start at the beginning of this fascinating story. The first five books of the Bible are attributed to Moses and are commonly called the Pentateuch (literally "five scrolls"). Moses lived between 1500 and 1300 BC, though he recounts events in the first eleven chapters of the Bible that occurred long before his time (such as the creation and the flood). In those early societies there was no writing as yet and people passed on these oral accounts with great detail and accuracy. The earliest writing began when symbols were scratched or pressed on clay tablets. The Egyptians refined this technique and developed an early form of writing known as hieroglyphics. The Bible tells us that Moses was "educated in all the learning of the Egyptians", so he would have been familiar with the major writing systems of his time. We also read that God gave Moses "two tablets of the Testimony, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God"(Exodus 31:18). All this leads to the conclusion that the earliest writings in the Bible were set down around 1400 BC. The writings of the thirty or so other contributors to the Old Testament span a thousand years! They recount the times and messages from Moses' successor, Joshua, to the last of the Old Testament prophets, Malachi, who wrote his little tract around 450 BC. Then there is a 500-year period when no writings were contributed to the Bible. This is the period between the testaments, when Alexander the Great conquered much of the world and when the Greek language was introduced to the Hebrews. Indeed, they began to use Greek so much that the Hebrew language was replaced by Greek and by another language, Aramaic, which was spoken all over that area of the world at that time. The New Testament was written during a much shorter period, i.e. during the last half of the first century AD. It was the coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, which ignited the flame that produced the New Testament, as the new faith swept across the Near East and then westward to Greece and on to Rome. Half of the New Testament books were contributed by one man, the Apostle Paul, in the epistles he sent to groups of new Christians and to his assistants Timothy and Titus. The Bible closes with a majestic book of visions and dramatic views of the future. It was penned by the aged Apostle John around 95 AD and describes the new heaven and the new earth when God's kingdom will embrace the universe and all rebellion and death will be a thing of the past. In looking at all these dates, the important thing to remember is that when the Bible was written is not as important as what was written. However, the when is important also as we sense how God's presence persisted through the centuries and gave us "in the fullness of time" the full-orbed revelation of salvation and hope through his son Jesus Christ. Oh yea Plain I totally believe God's hand was with every single man who wrote one word of the Bible....Just as I believe that today prophets are alive and well......fulfilling God's Gospel all over the lands. Unless you really have studied the Bible you would never know the complexity for which it holds. I don't think even for me if I read every day for the rest of my life would I know all of which it holds.
your a much better kitty cat than a pit-bowl.
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why believe???? why not???? look at this way......its a 50/50 chance right. what have you lost if there is nothing...... and what do you lose if he does exist???? And how many are willing to take the chance and do things there way...I look at it another way. What do you have to loose....but ahhhhhhhhh all that you can gain.....It's all there for the choosing.... Choose wisely people. And if you coose the wrong god to worship then you burn in thats gods hell, So whats the diffrence? You have thousands of gods to choose from. Why is your the right one? Becouse a book says it is? Please, You have no evidence of a god and if you can't prove your claim then anyone that thinks rationaly can not take it seriously. So I have chosen wisely, it is you that has not. THERE is only ONE God and many false gods...again this is one the things that God said the most...DO NOT WORSHIP ANY OTHER GODS BUT ME...now with anybody if your worshiping a God that doesn't involve Christ....well then look deeper...I am the evidence love.....I have offered to give my testimony and offer still stands, I can also give the miracles right here in mingle that have brought people to the Lord.....So I KNOW....so you need to prove not me. |
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I believe that Feral sets herself up ... Dont'cha know GF that some people around here forget to take their meds. Where are their parents when they're needed??? LOL... I think I will start handing out meds....then talk. 
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why believe???? why not???? look at this way......its a 50/50 chance right. what have you lost if there is nothing...... and what do you lose if he does exist???? And how many are willing to take the chance and do things there way...I look at it another way. What do you have to loose....but ahhhhhhhhh all that you can gain.....It's all there for the choosing.... Choose wisely people. And if you coose the wrong god to worship then you burn in thats gods hell, So whats the diffrence? You have thousands of gods to choose from. Why is your the right one? Becouse a book says it is? Please, You have no evidence of a god and if you can't prove your claim then anyone that thinks rationaly can not take it seriously. So I have chosen wisely, it is you that has not. THERE is only ONE God and many false gods...again this is one the things that God said the most...DO NOT WORSHIP ANY OTHER GODS BUT ME...now with anybody if your worshiping a God that doesn't involve Christ....well then look deeper...I am the evidence love.....I have offered to give my testimony and offer still stands, I can also give the miracles right here in mingle that have brought people to the Lord.....So I KNOW....so you need to prove not me. And those that worship other gods will say the same thing about yours. Oh but their delusional and your not. Yeah, right. there are many many many gods, all of them just as real as the next, and that includes yours. The bible is full of contadictions and flat out lies, and even if the god of the bible was real I would not worship him becouse he is a god of intollerance bigotry and hatered. The bible god is a monster which all other monsters pale in comparison, It is a god of Apathy and neglect. |
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But that is my point I guess...Because GOD IS IN EVERYTHING....Every little thing that happens in this world he knows about and he knew exactly what everyone is going to do before "they even know" what they are going to do. Yes God is the creator of all, but also with us 24/7. well I guess that puts an end to that "Free Will" theory I never said "free will" existed.............of course when you have choices that are available to you, you can exercise your choice...........but what about those that are unavailable?? I do not believe "God" to be a person, or even a being, or that "God" has a personality as we do. I think we make "God" up.........God, is all in all to me. Not a person, but a compilation. I do not believe God is magical, or that he/she/it will intervene in my life for any reason. I certainly have a personal relationship with "God" as "God" is a part of me.........but so does everyone else on the planet. I do not feel the need to separate myself from them, I am them, they are me...........I am just separated by this body, and a mind that things in linear terms........... Anyhoo, I don't have it all figured out, nor do I claim what I "believe" to be factual or truth for everyone. Feral, you asked what we believed, and I told you. As a matter of fact, what I believe now could change tomorrow........especially if I learn or experience something that changes the way I think. Change, it is the only constant. I did ask and you told...and I was fine with it...I don't recall ragging on your beliefs as you did as soon as the opportunity arose...well ka sir ra sir ra...par for the course....It's easy to rip the Christians apart because we don't waiver in our beliefs and put it all out their. I got from you was that you were god, the mountains were god, the trees were god. No rationale behind it. I do love the fact that at least you are open minded and that is really cool...and probably one of my fav to debate because your a smart woman and have great questions or ways of looking at things. I did give you the rationale, you just aren't "getting it". The rational is that if God is all powerful, all knowing, and all present, then he is all in all, and all in all is IN "Him". My rational is that I use observation and experience rather than a book, though yes, I agree much can be learned from the texts of the Bible, and you keep saying it isn't religion, but that is what the Bible says, it is the "Word" of God that can not be argued, well, I do not believe any one book can contain the "word" of any true "God". I believe those people were inspired, yes, but I also believe that their path was theirs and mine is mine...........it is a personal thing, one's "God" whomever they decide to call him/her or not. I do not rip Christians, I "rip" people who use a book as an authority, when there are several "holy books" and many of them have some wise principles in them. You were right in the studying of the Bible, you could study all your life and still get things, that is only when you have a personal talk/walk, I just don't think you need a book to have that talk or walk, or that "God" is the same or is represented the same to everyone as everyone is different. Culture, my friend, culture. I did study the Bible for ten years, not a long time, but I did it desiring to know the truth. I seen it's words, it's "people" and contradictions. I remember praying and singing a song simply asking to know "God" in his truth, without all the hogwash and "doctrine"...........I believe I am learning. I also do not believe that anyone can fully grasp anything that would be a "God" if he/she/it is higher than we are..........so therefore any "words" we would use would be infallible and would not cover the what of "God". We learn bits and pieces, there may be a puzzle, there may not be, but I think it takes all of us with our piece to get the whole picture, and unfortunately we are not in unity enough, we are not "one" so that picture is "as looking through a glass darkly". Anyhoo, I do not see anywhere that I bashed, the only time I get upset is when one claims that their's is the only way and anyone who doesn't agree is either stupid, ignorant, doesn't know "God", doesn't know the truth, or is decieving themselves..................it is haughty, and everything Jesus' taught against. (not saying anyone in particular has done this, especially when it has been a while since I posted in this thread, and haven't reread through it). My rational, IS the stars, the water, the earth, LIFE, itself. It is what makes up "God" and "God" makes up it, without "God" it would not exist, but without "it" God would not exist either, or at least would not be known to exist...........would not be perceived, etc. P.S. Yes, there may be times I contradict myself, not saying I have, just making a note. It doesn't bother me........cuz I don't have it all figured out, and that is the beauty of it, and I hope, at least not until the day of Perfection comes (if it exists) to think that I do...........seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you, ask and ye shall recieve.....................good words, and I continue. I continue to seek, knock, and ask for truth to be separated from the illusion. I do not wish to change anyone's mind, if it does, that is because their soul was searching and they found something that resounded within them in my words.........I am simply expressing my own thoughts and my own ideas. The thing is, I can say, I could be wrong, I may be wrong, and IF I am wrong............that is OK, because I have FAITH that if I am wrong, that things will still be as they should be, that I am/was created to be exactly as I am.....and that everything is simply an illusion. |
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LETS GET DOWN TO IT.........
Tell me what you believe and why...... ....so come let's see what all of you are about.... Peace Love and CHRIST JESUS who leads me. I believe that I am an immortal, eternal, spiritual entity and that I am the creator of everything I observe. I believe this is true of everyone. I believe this because the corollaries and extrapolations of this core belief offer more and better explanations for phenomena I have observed in life, than does any other belief system I have found. |
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I dont believe in any of this.
there is no heaven or hell you die you go to the ground thats that. thats what I believe and that wont change. only my belief,I dont go around talking bad about what others believe or any of that. just because I dont believe in what others do,does not make me a bad person. I can care less about the ones who look down on me,because of what I dont beleive in |
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Ok then give me evidence that he doesn't exsist "feralcatlady" ..it's not up to others to prove or disprove your delusions .. it's up to you to prove it's not a delusion so I will give you that opportunity by asking you to answer this one simple question simply describe God without sounding delusional |
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