JB I SO LOVE YOU WOMAN

Read them both closely I changed it up...didn't just quote it......Are you now the thread police....

No, it just looked like a falsification of tribos post, and and unpolite one towards him, too.
How would you like it if somebody did it to your post and changes what you have been saying to the contrary.

a holy war ....cool

ahhh sugar you don't know how tribo and I are....believe me he will not be mad about it.....You need to take a chill pill for real.

Your a very bad boy funch.....no war here......

same thing they said about vietnam

like me guess you and invisible are not christian soldiers just military advisors

no military involved at all love......I am me take it or leave it....love me or don't......hate what I say or learn from it...It's all about choice.....

"choice"...so you no longer believe that God has a "Devine Plan" my child

Here is the law of existence.

The observer decides what is real.

So, There is no use in arguing with anyone.

We are all observers and we all decide what is real -- to us. Why would you want to mess with another person's reality?

Don't do it. Create your own.

Another law of existence:

You cannot create another person's reality completely. You can help it along, but you cannot vibrate for them.

If you believe in someone else's reality and not your own, that is delusional.

Only you decide what is real.

That is where you are mistaken..........it even makes perfect sense to me when put in context with the idea of an all powerful, all knowing, creator of everything "God".

In order for "God" to be any of those things he has to be "IN" everything, does he not. In my views "God" is not something unto himself, but rather part of him is in everything, as the "creator". I simply do not associate "God" with being a him, or a diety outside of myself. "God" isn't something that I have to reach out to, or to follow certain formulas to try and please, "God" is what give me life, gives me breath, he is everything and nothing all at the same time......................

Pantheistic, you may label it as you wish.............but I can't see how it is so hard to see. I mean, even the Bible talks about nature being "Gods Handiwork" the difference is that others who read the Bible, and some who wrote pieces of it, put their own personal spin on the nature of "God". They assumed because "bad" things happened, that "God" must be jealous, etc. They actually gave him human qualities.........but yet "he" is supposed to be above all that.....

We both know, or should, that I do not hold the Bible to be an end all holy book written by God through man's hand, so to use it as an authority is pointless............however to use some of the principles and to argue the logic makes sense to me for some reason.

I came to my conclusions, on what I feel is the base of what I truly believe, using my mind, my experiences, the world around me, and the Bible....... But as always your interpretation (YES, whenever anyone reads or hears anything and logs it away into their brain they are interpreting the information and putting into context in ways that make sense to them) is somehow right and mine is wrong..........

Anyhoo, you can have your view........... What you believe in order to sleep well at night and have purpose for your life is good with me. The same goes for me, I believe what I do because it makes sense to me, because it gives peace to my soul and makes life worth living in my mind...........

That is all spiritual/religion(though I feel religion is also a form of control)/and philosophy is. Us trying to make sense of the world around us and to give explanation to the unexplainable. To survive both physically/mentally/and emotionally in a harsh world.

I believe in Being.

Simple enough for me, maybe I should trade, lol.

Very funny deb, i think you ought to start your own date site and you can do that with all the post - that way you'll never have an arguement -

call it - "mangle"

True, as long as you don't let those nasty things like facts and evidence get in your way.
Then you can believe whatever you want.
I for one like facts.
And there are very few in the bible.

One thing about "facts" is a lot of them change depending on who you ask.

Most facts mean little outside the realm of mathematics, and even that is questionable.

Most scientific "facts" are simply theories backed up with things that collaborate that theory.

Facts and evidence? That's funny.

You can believe whatever you want about anything you want at any time, even facts and evidence.

Proof of anything is only a matter of belief.

(The Bible? Who is talking about the Bible? Are you changing the subject?)

But that is my point I guess...Because GOD IS IN EVERYTHING....Every little thing that happens in this world he knows about and he knew exactly what everyone is going to do before "they even know" what they are going to do.
Yes God is the creator of all, but also with us 24/7.

How can God be everything and nothing? He can't. He is, was, and always will be. I do live my life with his guidance every step of the way. Does that mean that I don't sin...heck no...no one is without sin on this planet with the exception of Christ. At least for me God is everything because without him then I truly am nothing. And depending on God for all in my life is not a sign of weakness but more that I gather my strength from "Him. Because I know without a shadow of a doubt with "Him" all things are possible.

I would not call nature Gods handiwork as much as He said and it was done. As for the Bible big huge one for me. Yes it was written by man and "INSPIRED" of God...I don't think that God would let a book that was not all of him remain here for 2000 years if it was not exactly as it was intended. Which is a blueprint for the way man should live.....imo


Now if your looking at the Mormon or other bibles where they changed the context of the bible then I agree...But even thorughout the generations and re-writings the context is 99.9% accurate.

God is a jealous God but only to those that worship any other Gods this I believe. Again there is to much written about it. And if you look at how much time between the writers of the bible just not a coinsidence that they all hit it spot on. Again for God also he is a loving God and a forgiving God but push him and he will do whatever it takes to put man back on the right path.

And if you do not wish to believe or use the Bible as the innate word of God written by man...well that is your choice...just as it is mine to believe every word from Genesis to Revelation let it be written let it be said.

Now as far as putting the bible into the context or interpreting as it suits them. WRONG WRONG WRONG...God said what he meant and meant what he said. So if for example a gay person wants to justify being gay...they can all they want but it will never make it in the eyes of the Lord anything but what it is a sin.

And yes I agree 100% that you can believe as you wish. I was brought here by God to spread the gospel and whatever people do with it is their choice.


I also tell people take religion out of it...that is of man. A relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ is a personal one.

well I guess that puts an end to that "Free Will" theory