Please read my original post. I am not here arguing about abortions.

I didn't say you said anything about when life begins...I'm just curious about your whole thought process...using the phonecall analogy...it's not a trick question...for me...when 46 y and 46 x chromosones meet...walla !!.. Houston...we have a life...lol...

If the Embryo / Fetus is a living human, then Obama is for the murder of certain humans. I'm going by what you have said about Obama's position.

How did you get that from what I said?

He has said that he is personally not for abortions. He wants to have sex education and decrease the amount of unwanted pregnancies.

That would be like saying "I know it's wrong to lynch black people, so I am going to focus on making sure fewer black people are born, so that they cannot be lynched."

Simply changing a couple words in his argument makes the stupidity of it appearant. Abortion is right or wrong. A embryo / fetus is either a human or it isn't.

If a building is about to be demolished, we would have to know if there were any people inside or not, right? If a embryo is going to be killed, we should be certain of if it's a human or not, right? Shouldn't the default position be to allow it to live until such a time as we can determine when human life begins?

jeezuz christ u nearly scared the shyt out of me
i thought u were gonna announce that obama was assassinated or sumthin

Not just Obama 'Jasmine', but all of us whom do not agree with a particular dogmatic and delusional (disconnected from reality) religious view of the world.

The fact that abortions have been performed, and will keep being performed regardless of the 'good conscience' rhetoric, is of no importance to the religious zealot.

Abortion, like war and murder is never 'RIGHT'!!! That is not the question.

Where life begins or ends??? that is not question either.

Those are false debates.

Abortion, war and murder, among others, are always human tragedies. Never the 'right' thing to do. But human tragedies will keep taking place as long as there are humans.

To be arguing for a world without abortions, because it is never right, would be like beleiving that laws could end all wars.

All the religious guilt, dogma and moralization in the world will not put a dent in the human tragedy which results in abortion.

Black and white dogmatic and 'moralizing' rhetoric is profoundly insufficient when it comes to dealing with the nuances of human paradox.

The real debate, the real question is:
'... who are we as a human race dealing with compassion and dignity in the face human tragedy over which we have no control? ...'

In all cases, it is a woman whom must deal with this tragedy. The 'CHOOSING' rests solely in one woman's heart and soul at a time,

I for one trust women's universal wisdom, over the empty, delusional dogma and religious rhetoric of modern day 'pharisee' mentality.

Soo.. you're against trying to decrease the amount of unwanted pregnancies with sex education.

That's like saying "It's wrong to kill babies, but I don't want to stop it". That position makes no sense. If abortion is wrong, it's wrong. If it's right, it's right. There is no "maybe" when a human life might be involved.

you're wrong
I'm right

and maybe we can all get along

Spider, we have similar views within this specific subject...

You do realize that I'm talking about sex education, don't you?

Well, I for one realize that, Winx, but some people are just spoiling for an argument. And to top it off, they're right, you're wrong, end of story. Doesn't matter what they're arguing about or that they are arguing completely out of context and only with themselves

If abortion is wrong, then why not end abortion instead of saying "Abortions wrong, so let's try to convince people to use protection". Even with protection, you can get pregnant. And a lot of people don't use protection regardless of sex ed. Teaching sex ed doesn't address the ONLY IMPORTANT ISSUE: When does human life start? Until we have that answer, Abortion should be 100% illegal and women who try to self abort should be imprisoned for murder / attempted murder. Isn't it kind of important to know for certain if an abortion is killing a human being? If not, then what other minorities do you support the killing of...other than the unborn, I mean.

So...that's what's going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrXvDXVhqfU


And thats all i have to say about that

I have been talking about Obama being big on preventing unintended pregnancies. I will expand further on this.

He is the original co-sponsor of legislation to expand access to contraception, health information and preventive services to help reduce unintended pregnancies. It is called the Prevention First Act. It will increase funding for family planning and comprehensive sex education that teaches both abstinence and safe sex methods. The Act will also end insurance discrimination against contraception, improve awareness about emergency contraception, and provide compassionate assistance to rape victims.

I am not discussing when life begins or if abortion is right or wrong.

A lot of things are. So what? Deal with it.

I think a good way to judge the morality of an issue like abortion is this way.

"As an animal rights activist, can I cry for the rat or mouse that is about to be the subject of an experiment in which surgery is followed by pain which is followed by death while ignoring sensory pain cells in the human model?

Many animal activists have spent days or months or years in jail after passionately defending the rights of defenseless animals who have no voice. Many of those same passionate individuals misplace their compassion when it comes to defenseless unborn humans. Is there a contradiction here?

Each year, one thousand or more animal rights supporters gather near Washington, D.C. for their annual convention. The majority of these activists are women. As a matter of fact, there would be no animal rights movement without the gentler sex, who seem to possess a spirituality and wisdom that their male counterparts lack.

Animal rights activists protest pain to laboratory rats, but support a woman's right to bring pain to her unborn fetus. Some vegan activists demand that meat eaters acknowledge the horrors of slaughterhouse films, or vivisection, or bullfighting. Yet, they turn a deaf ear and firmly shut a blind eye to the conscious being who grows within the mammalian human mother.

Most of these passionate animal rightists also support the decision of a woman to cause pain to her fetus, as if it is their right to decide pain or no pain decisions regarding the living creature within a human body. Where is the compassion for the human animal that is destined to suffer? More than one female animal rights author has paralleled the abuse and struggles of animals to the sexual politics and multiple indignities suffered by women at the hands of a male-oriented society.

Is abortion murder? Of course it is. It is more than just murder. It is death without compassion, for the living creature, not yet named, possesses pain receptors and is aware of his or her own suffering."

I didn't write this, but I think I agree with it.

abortion is not a "moral" issue, women are more than incubators, a fetus is not a child, abortions are medical procedures that should be available legally and safely to any woman who chooses to terminate a pregnancy...

have a "moral" problem with abortion..? dont have one, or if youre a man, dont get a woman pregnant...whats the problem here?