Topic: Same Sex Marriage goes down in California !
Winx's photo
Fri 11/07/08 09:38 AM

still no nonreligious argument against it i see


Because there isn't any.laugh

Even when science is involved.

jumper26's photo
Fri 11/07/08 09:44 AM
i dont see what the big deal is i believe every on has the right to be happy with the one they love be it same sex or not and who are we to say if its wrong or right just let them be happy is that so worng?

kaadeshka's photo
Fri 11/07/08 09:47 AM

still no nonreligious argument against it i see


That's because they'd actually have to think and not referrence the bible first.

Giocamo's photo
Fri 11/07/08 09:54 AM


still no nonreligious argument against it i see


That's because they'd actually have to think and not referrence the bible first.


are you eating pizza in your pic ?...I'm jealous !!...offtopic

adj4u's photo
Fri 11/07/08 09:58 AM


still no nonreligious argument against it i see


That's because they'd actually have to think and not referrence the bible first.


well do you know of one


just curious


if there is no non religious based argument then ANY BANNING OF IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONal (oooppps but it fits so i will leave it)

it is give religion a policy/law making authority which in essence is establishing a religion (which is against the first amendment)


kaadeshka's photo
Fri 11/07/08 09:58 AM



still no nonreligious argument against it i see


That's because they'd actually have to think and not referrence the bible first.


are you eating pizza in your pic ?...I'm jealous !!...offtopic


Yes it's pizza. Who doesn't like a pie once in awhile? Truely though, I just think it's a friends personal vendetta to make people think I'm always eating pizza.
That's very off topic.

Giocamo's photo
Fri 11/07/08 10:03 AM




still no nonreligious argument against it i see


That's because they'd actually have to think and not referrence the bible first.


are you eating pizza in your pic ?...I'm jealous !!...offtopic


Yes it's pizza. Who doesn't like a pie once in awhile? Truely though, I just think it's a friends personal vendetta to make people think I'm always eating pizza.
That's very off topic.


a pie ?...that's very east coast...it's called a pie in NY...thats been the debate for years...New York pizza or Chicago [ my nape of the neck ]...now...any true Italian would eat thin crust, sausage only...do you concur ?...way...way...offtopic

kaadeshka's photo
Fri 11/07/08 10:09 AM



still no nonreligious argument against it i see


That's because they'd actually have to think and not referrence the bible first.


well do you know of one


just curious


if there is no non religious based argument then ANY BANNING OF IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONal (oooppps but it fits so i will leave it)

it is give religion a policy/law making authority which in essence is establishing a religion (which is against the first amendment)




I can't think of one. Which isn't suprising because I would never agree with taking a group of people and taking away their rights because I don't agree with their so called "wrong behavior".
I mean if we look at history we can't actually call homosexuality wrong. People have been screwing one another regardless of sex since we began.

However history has also taught us that both the South and North American continents were "discovered" and "settled" by groups of religious despots. Who though they are religious and moral find no problem with discrimination.

adj4u's photo
Fri 11/07/08 10:11 AM
drinker drinker

flowerforyou :thumbsup:

kaadeshka's photo
Fri 11/07/08 10:12 AM





still no nonreligious argument against it i see


That's because they'd actually have to think and not referrence the bible first.


are you eating pizza in your pic ?...I'm jealous !!...offtopic


Yes it's pizza. Who doesn't like a pie once in awhile? Truely though, I just think it's a friends personal vendetta to make people think I'm always eating pizza.
That's very off topic.


a pie ?...that's very east coast...it's called a pie in NY...thats been the debate for years...New York pizza or Chicago [ my nape of the neck ]...now...any true Italian would eat thin crust, sausage only...do you concur ?...way...way...offtopic


I eat all kinds. I don't see the point in debating a type of food that is so pleasing in whichever form it appears. That's like saying food that comes on a stick is better then food you must eat with a spoon. Take ice cream- it's good in both formats...

Giocamo's photo
Fri 11/07/08 10:28 AM






still no nonreligious argument against it i see


That's because they'd actually have to think and not referrence the bible first.


are you eating pizza in your pic ?...I'm jealous !!...offtopic


Yes it's pizza. Who doesn't like a pie once in awhile? Truely though, I just think it's a friends personal vendetta to make people think I'm always eating pizza.
That's very off topic.


a pie ?...that's very east coast...it's called a pie in NY...thats been the debate for years...New York pizza or Chicago [ my nape of the neck ]...now...any true Italian would eat thin crust, sausage only...do you concur ?...way...way...offtopic


I eat all kinds. I don't see the point in debating a type of food that is so pleasing in whichever form it appears. That's like saying food that comes on a stick is better then food you must eat with a spoon. Take ice cream- it's good in both formats...


you just had to bring Ice Cream up...you tease you !...lol...I'm a fan...but...I'm a bigger fan of Pizza...which I seldom eat because I workout 5 days a week...ohwell

tribo's photo
Fri 11/07/08 10:33 AM
Edited by tribo on Fri 11/07/08 10:36 AM




I think it's terrible that religious beliefs have been allowed to enter government.Anyone should be able to be married to who they want regardless of race,creed or sexual orientation.



maybe in some other country...but...not in the good old USA ...yet !...gulp !!

lol Marriage is not a religious thing it's a contract.Married folk pay more income tax remember lol





hmmmmm...I thought it was called..." The Sacrament of Marriage "...for me...it would be considered Religious...:angel: ...lol


Although within the churches, there is the "sacrament" of marriage, marriage existed before the church, and was always between a man and woman. today society allows marriages other than religious to be both legal and binding by other parties - even ships captains - the common law has always seen marriage though as between a man and a woman - nothing else.

The problem arises when you look at it from someones desires to buck the definition so long held to include marriage to be something other than what was always meant and intended.

I have no problem with laws that allow civil joining of any people, it should be kept to that - Why? - because i see no difference between a heterosexual couple living together unmarried and a homosexual couple living together unmarried, there rights are the same and there is or should not be any discrimination for either. NOR - should there be any gains for either. why do you think that a homosexual couple should have more rights than a heterosexual couple living together?

hell were still dealing with ethnicity's having problems in heterosexual marriages, race issues and all else.

i know you may feel your entitled to more - but your not, it's the same price that hetero pay when living in an unmarried state. get over it.

Winx's photo
Fri 11/07/08 10:36 AM





I think it's terrible that religious beliefs have been allowed to enter government.Anyone should be able to be married to who they want regardless of race,creed or sexual orientation.



maybe in some other country...but...not in the good old USA ...yet !...gulp !!

lol Marriage is not a religious thing it's a contract.Married folk pay more income tax remember lol





hmmmmm...I thought it was called..." The Sacrament of Marriage "...for me...it would be considered Religious...:angel: ...lol


Although within the churches, there is the "sacrament" of marriage, marriage existed before the church, and was always between a man and woman. today society allows marriages other than religious to be both legal and binding by other parties - even ships captains - the common law has always seen marriage though as between a man and a woman - nothing else.

The problem arises when you look at it from someones desires to buck the definition so long held to include marriage to be something other than what was always meant and intended. I have no problem with laws that allow civil joining of any people, it should be kept to that - Why? - because i see no difference between a heterosexual couple living together unmarried and a homosexual couple living together unmarried, there right are the same and there is or should not be any discrimination for either. NOR - should there be any gains for either. why do you think that a homosexual couple should have more rights than a heterosexual couple living together?


Well, if the homosexual couple wants to be married and the heterosexual couple does not, there is a difference.

adj4u's photo
Fri 11/07/08 10:42 AM
if they (anyone) wants the privileges and benefits that come with marriage they should be permitted to have them

and when ohio defeated the same sex thing they also banned common law marriage as well

so there should be no more palamony issues in ohio

cause just cause yer pals does not mean ya owe each other it seems


tribo's photo
Fri 11/07/08 10:43 AM

democracy is the wants of the majority trampling the rights of the minority


this is a church and state issue

show one legitimate argument against gay marriage that is not founded in religion


the civil codes of hammarabi

tribo's photo
Fri 11/07/08 10:49 AM
Edited by tribo on Fri 11/07/08 10:52 AM






I think it's terrible that religious beliefs have been allowed to enter government.Anyone should be able to be married to who they want regardless of race,creed or sexual orientation.



maybe in some other country...but...not in the good old USA ...yet !...gulp !!

lol Marriage is not a religious thing it's a contract.Married folk pay more income tax remember lol





hmmmmm...I thought it was called..." The Sacrament of Marriage "...for me...it would be considered Religious...:angel: ...lol


Although within the churches, there is the "sacrament" of marriage, marriage existed before the church, and was always between a man and woman. today society allows marriages other than religious to be both legal and binding by other parties - even ships captains - the common law has always seen marriage though as between a man and a woman - nothing else.

The problem arises when you look at it from someones desires to buck the definition so long held to include marriage to be something other than what was always meant and intended. I have no problem with laws that allow civil joining of any people, it should be kept to that - Why? - because i see no difference between a heterosexual couple living together unmarried and a homosexual couple living together unmarried, there right are the same and there is or should not be any discrimination for either. NOR - should there be any gains for either. why do you think that a homosexual couple should have more rights than a heterosexual couple living together?


Well, if the homosexual couple wants to be married and the heterosexual couple does not, there is a difference.


and there always will be my lady - marriage from time immemorial - has been between a man and woman - show me any time in history where this is not the case in civilized society?

tribo's photo
Fri 11/07/08 10:51 AM
Edited by tribo on Fri 11/07/08 10:53 AM

if they (anyone) wants the privileges and benefits that come with marriage they should be permitted to have them

and when ohio defeated the same sex thing they also banned common law marriage as well

so there should be no more palamony issues in ohio

cause just cause yer pals does not mean ya owe each other it seems




so if a man wants to marry a chicken - its OK with you? there has to be and always has been a definition of what constitutes a "marriage" were not talking sexual preference here but marriage and its meaning.

no photo
Fri 11/07/08 11:00 AM
Religion shouldn't even be an issue..The people of this country worship all kinds of religions..The constitution supports that.. What makes your religion right? God gave us Free will and we will by judged individually and not as group..By the way that's just my beliefs..Whats yours?

Winx's photo
Fri 11/07/08 11:08 AM

Religion shouldn't even be an issue..The people of this country worship all kinds of religions..The constitution supports that.. What makes your religion right? God gave us Free will and we will by judged individually and not as group..By the way that's just my beliefs..Whats yours?


This might surprise you. I'm for civil unions.

no photo
Fri 11/07/08 11:14 AM
Edited by Unknow on Fri 11/07/08 11:34 AM


Religion shouldn't even be an issue..The people of this country worship all kinds of religions..The constitution supports that.. What makes your religion right? God gave us Free will and we will by judged individually and not as group..By the way that's just my beliefs..Whats yours?


This might surprise you. I'm for civil unions.
Why surprised?flowerforyou I too am for civil unions. But whats gives me the right to say how people live! I have a problem with religion dictating what is right for people. God doesn't want religion pushed on you, he wants YOU to accept him without conditions. Thats my beliefs!!