Everyone lamenting Obama's victory...Are you upset at the actual beliefs and ideas that he stands for or the fact that an African-American is now in office? I am asking this in all seriousness, I am not (NOT) attempting to start a racial debate. I know that might be strange given the question, but I don't think it's a completely racial issue. I am looking for actual policy issues (not taken from attack ads, but actual policy planned out) that actually make more sense from the McCain camp.

I don't care about his beliefs, I'm more concerned with how he is going to turn this country around...this whole election in my opinion has been pathetic, none of the debates focused on the real issues at hand and both canidates had illusions of granduer when it came to the economy and war...utterly pathetic.

I think Obama actually stayed on topic with real issues during all the debates. Can you point to anything specific?

He did - right down to the numbers.

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I'm not saying he didn't, I'm saying the topics at the debate were childish...the real issues (that extend far beyond the scope of 4 years) were not looked at like they should have been, such as the debt our country is currently in...aside from the agreement that the bailout was a good idea and they are going to enact policies within their own term to get us out of debt. Unfortunately that is not possible, we are 20 years in debt with far too many countries to even imagine getting anywhere near out of it in the next 4. This country needs an extended plan (which McCain did mention if I recall correctly but even it was limited in the scope of ability).

obama talked around the issues.im scared for our country.socialism is not the way to go.you dont grow an economy from the bottom up.has anyone ever worked a stable job that paid good and the owner of the company was living below poverty level?if you tax the employers and punish there success they will take there company to another country where taxes are lower and labor is cheaper.and the ones who have left already will stay gone.where am i wrong???/he wants to raise taxes not to pay down the deficet but to redistribute it,right out o carl marxes playbook.we cant depend on the government to take care of our needs.its not the governments place.its job is to provide a millitary that protects us from harm.he wants to cut back funding our millitary.i dont think he can talk the terrorists into loving us.i dont tink he can fool them the way he has the american public.i dont want anymore gorge bush.and there needed to be a change. but obamas socialist plan is not the answer.

We already have a form of socialism.

This is some rough grammar. Forgive me if I miss a point or two. Obama is in no way, shape or form a socialist. If you're looking at it that way, the Bush tax credit was socialism. He was redistributing the wealth.

What happened with the redistribution to keep banks afloat was fascism, not socialism. Socialism would actually have the money coming down to the common man, not just the banks and executives themselves.

Saying that Obama will hurt the economy and send jobs overseas is just ridiculous. That's been happening for the past eight years already. We've seen more tax cuts for big business than anything else. He stated outright that small business will get tax credits to offset this. Why is it wrong to tax a company like Shell or Enron (ha) or Exxon or IBM more money instead of giving executives million dollar bonuses?

The socialism call is really uneducated. Ideas that Obama espouses are far from socialism, to the point where I am starting to believe that those who claim he's a socialist don't even know what it means.

Also, please, spell check. For the love of all that is good and holy, spell check. There is a place, their is possessive, they're is a contraction for they are.

How can you fault Obama for moderators asking soft questions? At least he stayed on topic.

Despite being twenty years in debt, Obama was speaking ten years in the future. Might not be twenty, but he is looking forward. Are you expecting anyone to have a plan to solve twenty years of debt over four years? That's a bit unrealistic.

Also, McCain mentioned nothing about economics aside from the fact that he is very forthcoming about not understanding it in the slightest.

I must have the two confused then, I thought it was McCain that came up with the extended financial plan (my memory is not all that good, sorry). I'm not expecting a four year resolve as I know that is near impossible, however the plan that he spoke of was limited and he wasn't really able to go into detail about it (by choice or time allowance). I want a set plan for the future, something that I know has a chance of working to get our country out of debt...we get deeper, we are screwed.

Nah, it was Obama with the future plan. One good idea is pulling out of Iraq in the next two years, as opposed to McCain who did not want to set a date (or, more probable, pull out) and end the war. We're spending twelve billion dollars a month there, which actually comes out to five thousand dollars per second.

There really isn't a set way to make a plan like that, otherwise it would have been done in any presidency previous.

Well, aside from any of the Bush family terms...

I think Clinton had a good economical plan in place by the time he left office (granted it took Bush all but 3 years to put it back where it was). I said this in another thread, my canidate was a no-go but I still voted for him (Ron Paul); either way I am glad to see Obama in and not McCain as I want to see change, I am just not sure of the change I'm looking at this time around.

Well if it doesn't turn into some redistribution scheme & if OBAMA & the DEMS actually do something FOR the nation for ALL people I would be willing to admit I was wrong. We all will be watching.

I find it hard to believe that before this election blacks didn't see themselves as part of this country. However, if this is such a historic moment for blacks then I hope they can get passed the "poor me" mentality and come up with some real ideas & try to put their own hatreds to bed once & for all.


We'll see...

Yes, QS...we will indeed....

I do not lament his victory... This is America.

I am a bit scared based on his ACTUAL RECORD... but I reckon most americans believe a leopard CAN change its spots.

Only time will tell.

I would like to know why you both think that black people didn't see themselves as part of this country.

yep...

The rich keep getting rich, and the poor foot the bill for their "losses"...

Yep...

And the middle class is getting poorer too.

Do you seriously think that is going to change...?!?