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I would agree with that statement absolutely TLW. Though Christianity is just not going to work for me on a personal level (I messed around with Catholicism) my real concern is that ANY fundamentalist theology carries with it the potentiality for hatred and abuse. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, even Buddhism which we always imagine to be so passive. Humans possess an uncanny ability to manipulate and distort whatever they want in order that it serve them and their own personal agendas and its very dangerous and people need to be aware of that. therefore, an inquiring mind must question everything, and make his/her own conclusions. I'm not a catholic because I was taught since I was child. I had my rebelious time with catholicism and christianity in general after 13 years of catholic education with old italian priest who spanked us if we did not have a right hair cut or the shirt was not in a proper position. However, seriously studying several doctrines within and without christianity, I could not find any other thing that would make sense to me than the catholic doctrine which I believe it's an original development direct from the time of the apostles. |
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Oh yeah, the stories I could tell about old Italian priests. They can be brutal.
  I just didnt like them as a woman and that caused a tremendous degree of resentment and a wall to go up. I remember I had one telling me I needed to cover my hair (because its long). They are just too oppressive. Not all but some and its normally the older school ones. 
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yeah, you tell me after 13 years there.
from kinder garden all the way up to the senior year of high school. in a south american country where the parents actually supported them in spanking us. and after i got spanked at school they sent a note to my house, and I got spanked again by my dad. However, looking back in time from where i stand now, I think that if they would not have been as strict as they were I would not have been the person I am, right now. I'm not saying I'm perfect, but I could have been worse. Thus, in a way very deep deep inside me I guess I'm grateful. |
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yea i have a mental block on spelling sometimes. The thought I would say is clear though.. As far as copying and pasting goes I try not to. Most on here get tired of 4 pages of coping and pasting. And I agree. Say what you are going to say in your own words. If you need a little copying and pasting to prove your point. Fine but knowing what you are saying is the important part I believe... Shalom Miles that is not true. In fact pretty much the discovered fossil record has indicated nothing that Darwin would have not have predicted. He's been on the money for centuries. The theory of evolution is one of the great intellectual revolutions of human history. Before its arrival we just perceived our existence as unconnected with the natural world. Charles Darwin put forth a coherent theory of evolution and amassed a great body of evidence in support of this theory. You can believe whatever you like. You can decide that we were dropped off by storks but just because you dont like the idea that we are directly related to our primate ancestors does not make it fallacy. See, every one of these threads turns to the Theory of Evolution eventually. It truly amazes me at times.
"I have called this principle, by which each slight variation, if useful, is preserved, by the term Natural Selection." Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species Now look here: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree. -- Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. -- Genesis 1:24 Notice that God lets "the earth bring forth" the plants and animals, rather than create them directly. So maybe the creationists have it all wrong. Maybe Genesis is not so anti-evolution after all.
Krisma. You just prefer to believe in Darwism.. Thats fine. I see you do agree it is just a theory. Darwin even at his death bed was concerned that he was wrong. When his book was in it's 5th revession. As far as Yahweh said let the earth bring forth. He created all things he just told the earth what to do. His power over creation even leads to us as he says we have power over the earth and if we have faith we can tell it what to do and it will also. That belief that anything is possible is so strong in the Human sykee that if we do with out doubt things happen. We see this all the time in athelete who come back because they believed they could against the odds. It is a gift our creator has given us if we will take hold of it and use the power of the mind. Then all things are possible to those who believe. Blessings...Miles |
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You are not more powerful than the Earth, nor does any god give you control over it. The Earth is going to do its own thing no matter what. In fact, if this planet was really fed up of us and had enough, she could shake us off like fleas on a dog and start over and probably restore herself within 100 years. Easily. Humans are basically a nuisance and a destructive one. This is what separates you from a chimp.
1. Prehensile thumb 2. Fox P2 Gene (actually only a variation of it) which enables speech 3. Ability to stand fully upright. Those are the big three that we see at a glance.
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I may not be more powerfull than the earth but that is my fault for not having the belief i do. The scriptures say we do though. When the 2 witnesses show up they will have power over the earth for 3 1/2 years and the world will hate them for thier message. If you Krisma want to believe your Great great ......grandparents were chimps.. I say more power to ya.
 Blessings...Miles
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Thu 11/06/08 11:27 AM
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Krimsa.....
you wrote earlier: "....And God SAID, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. -- Genesis 1:24...." .................. Now notice what the NEXT verse says, Krimsa. Genesis 1:25 "And God MADE the beast of the earth, AFTER HIS KIND, and cattle AFTER THEIR KIND, AND everything THAT CREEPETH UPON THE EARTH AFTER HIS KIND: and God SAW it was GOOD." ............. Notice after God first SAID, He then MADE? Notice this thruout Genesis chapter 1.... Can't take scripture Out of Context ,Precious... 
And also, the Word has to be RIGHTLY DIVIDED to make Sense. The WORD of God is DIVINELY INSPIRED.... and once this is recieved and understood by Faith, THE WORD(Bible) will have fresh NEW meaning.... and will OPEN UP for you in a Fresh New Way. 
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Thu 11/06/08 11:26 AM
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Yeah but MS, chimps ARE in fact AFTER OUR KIND or how do you explain a 98% similarity in DNA? Look you dont have to accept any of that, yet its fact. Obviously humans are not this closely related to pigs or fish or African Elephants. Indian Elephants and African Elephants are however. They are closely related to one another just as we are to chimp. Look at a chimp's skeleton next to a humans. The similarities are undeniable.
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Actually, you are doing fine Krimsa.....
you are looking for answers... seeking and wanting to Know the Truth... as everyone else here is doing also ... and God sees that in you all.... and will reveal Himself to you all.... as you all continue to seek after Truth.
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I said that not to insult your intelect but to try to get you to convey your point more clearly. I understood what you were saying but was confused by your grammar and spelling. the concept of natural selection is proven every day in human culture. the concept of survival of the fittest is portrayed best through the game of cat and mouse. the cat catches the mouse simply because the mouse isn't smart enough to wait for the cat to sleep. on the contrary, the mouse outsmarts the cat by simply running away into le mouse hole. there are other examples. but this one is the simplest. evolution fits withi darwins theory when you concider the epic battle of prey and predator. in simplest terms, the prey's eyes are positioned on the sides of the skull to better look for danger. in essence, the prey can look both ways at once. the predator, on the other hand, has eyes positioned on the front of their skull so both eyes can look in one direction for the next meal. Survival of the fittest doesn't prove evolution, because even thought the fittest survive, they don't change. If things were changing the way evolution says, then it would have continued to change, and the things that it was changing from would have ceased to exist, i.e. the monkey. It would not need to be here, because it would have evolved away, from lack of need, from what it would have evolved into, because it was better. But yet, we have monkeys all over the place. A species CAN EVOLVE WITHIN... ITS... OWN... SPECIES... .... but a species CANNOT EVOLVE into a WHOLE... OTHER ....SPECIES. Never has happened yet... never gonna happen.... cause God's Word don't lie.
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Yeah but MS, chimps ARE in fact AFTER OUR KIND or how do you explain a 98% similarity in DNA? Look you dont have to accept any of that, yet its fact. Obviously humans are not this closely related to pigs or fish or African Elephants. Indian Elephants and African Elephants are however. They are closely related to one another just as we are to chimp. Look at a chimp's skeleton next to a humans. The similarities are undeniable. Krimsa..IF we had EVOLVED from Monkeys, there would be no more monkeys left... cause they would all have evolved into humans... But monkeys are still around..... meaning.... NO evolution took place.
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Yeah but MS, chimps ARE in fact AFTER OUR KIND or how do you explain a 98% similarity in DNA? Look you dont have to accept any of that, yet its fact. Obviously humans are not this closely related to pigs or fish or African Elephants. Indian Elephants and African Elephants are however. They are closely related to one another just as we are to chimp. Look at a chimp's skeleton next to a humans. The similarities are undeniable. Krimsa..IF we had EVOLVED from Monkeys, there would be no more monkeys left... cause they would all have evolved into humans... But monkeys are still around..... meaning.... NO evolution took place.
MS, you have been explained this time and time again but you dont read it or you just assume you know what people are saying so you again, dont read it. Those making comments like "we evolved from monkeys" clearly shows a misunderstanding of the concept behind human evolution. This is how it went down. I am simplifying. There was once a broad range of hominids. They came and went.These were called australopithecines. This did not happen over night or a few generations back. It took millions of years. The Homo genus (what would become human) DIVERGED from australopithecines about 2 million years ago. There would be several species of Homo that would branch off but they are all extinct now. Just us left Us and the primates. We diverged from Chimp about 6 million years ago. They went in one direction, we went in another. That is why you have monkeys and apes today and also humans. Its not a matter of one "evolving" from another. Its like branches on a tree. A lot of branches died and went extinct. Two of those branches did not. Homo sapien and chimpanzee. |
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Krimsa..IF we had EVOLVED from Monkeys, there would be no more monkeys left... cause they would all have evolved into humans... But monkeys are still around..... meaning.... NO evolution took place.
Actually, this would only occur if the two species were in direct competition for food or territory, etc. Monkeys are still around because the mutation that led to the evolution of humans only occurred in a small percentage, leaving the rest untouched. While there ARE and HAVE been evolutionary "dead ends," this is nowhere near being an inevitability. I recommend Richard Dawkins' outstanding book, "The Ancestor's Tale" and Carl Sagan & Ann Druyan's "Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors" to anyone who is unclear on the process and the amount of evidence behind it. |
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Krimsa..IF we had EVOLVED from Monkeys, there would be no more monkeys left... cause they would all have evolved into humans... But monkeys are still around..... meaning.... NO evolution took place.
Actually, this would only occur if the two species were in direct competition for food or territory, etc. Monkeys are still around because the mutation that led to the evolution of humans only occurred in a small percentage, leaving the rest untouched. While there ARE and HAVE been evolutionary "dead ends," this is nowhere near being an inevitability. I recommend Richard Dawkins' outstanding book, "The Ancestor's Tale" and Carl Sagan & Ann Druyan's "Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors" to anyone who is unclear on the process and the amount of evidence behind it. Perhaps you should sell them with a bible cover, otherwise they won't be read
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God WANTS us to Question. And To Seek and Find!!!! God does NOT want us to just follow blindly .... simply because someone told us to follow (that's religion for you.... not relationship). God ONLY wants us to follow Him.....ONLY IF WE BELIEVE!!!! BUT... GETTING TO THE POINT OF BELIEVING , COMES FROM HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD!!!!
Once more ... GOD WANTS RELATIONSHIP...
NOT RELIGION.... with His people He Created.
Then there is rebellion...some people want 2 plus 2 to equal 5...it will never work. They still don't care... Talk about wandering in the desert? LOL With all the info out there people are more confused than ever... LOL KISS... K.eep I.t S.imple S.tupid! |
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Krimsa..IF we had EVOLVED from Monkeys, there would be no more monkeys left... cause they would all have evolved into humans... But monkeys are still around..... meaning.... NO evolution took place.
Actually, this would only occur if the two species were in direct competition for food or territory, etc. Monkeys are still around because the mutation that led to the evolution of humans only occurred in a small percentage, leaving the rest untouched. While there ARE and HAVE been evolutionary "dead ends," this is nowhere near being an inevitability. I recommend Richard Dawkins' outstanding book, "The Ancestor's Tale" and Carl Sagan & Ann Druyan's "Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors" to anyone who is unclear on the process and the amount of evidence behind it. Perhaps you should sell them with a bible cover, otherwise they won't be read
They think monkeys and apes are yucky because they hurl their own poop at people. Yes they do that but they are also quite intelligent and use tools to dig ants out of rotted out tree trunks. They are brilliant yet not "quite" as smart as humans because one of these "mutations" was a larger cerebral cortex. We have bigger brains and are capable of abstract thought that chimps and other primates are not. They tend to be in the moment and lack the same ability to plan and predict future events. Otherwise they would rule the world like we do. 
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Truth.....is Love and respect.
Lies........ are fear and suspician. Most want to remain plugged into the lies they were fed from a tiny perfect, innocent baby. Most want to sustain their own lies, their personal myths. Very few want to live their truth. 
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if every religion says: " hey you, join my religion!" or: "go to hell if you join that other guy's religion." doesn't that logically mean we're all going to hell. I mean man created god to explain the things that could not be explained through scientific experimentation. the means of discovering the links in evolution weren't even invented until darwins time. so in theory, religion was created through ignorance triggered by misinformation. Did you know that even Darwin renounced his own teachings towards then end of his life, because he realized everything he taught could not be proved and he found the truth in everything that he could prove. He also found God. Do you realize that Darwin would have never been taken seriously in his time if he denounced God? Thet no one would publish his works? That he might have even been killed? He was agnostic. Up until the very end. The "he found God" rumor comes from a fictional novel about his life. Not that that really has anything to do with God. Darwin theorized evolution. Not origin. Now if you had proof that Stephen Hawking was Christian you might have an argument. |
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Miles is making things up!!!
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Yeah but MS, chimps ARE in fact AFTER OUR KIND or how do you explain a 98% similarity in DNA? Look you dont have to accept any of that, yet its fact. Obviously humans are not this closely related to pigs or fish or African Elephants. Indian Elephants and African Elephants are however. They are closely related to one another just as we are to chimp. Look at a chimp's skeleton next to a humans. The similarities are undeniable. Krimsa..IF we had EVOLVED from Monkeys, there would be no more monkeys left... cause they would all have evolved into humans... But monkeys are still around..... meaning.... NO evolution took place.
Please go back to Biology class and pay attention. Evolution is not linear nor did we "evolve from monkeys". We share a similar ancestor with monkeys. Like how dogs were once wolves but wolves still exist. |
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