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Topic: god may be aware... but not eternal
feralcatlady Joined Mon 10/08/07 Posts: 35491	Fri 11/07/08 04:57 PM
That's feralcatlady to you Mr.....Hugs funch....how be you. P.S. that was a horrible comeback......oh yeahhhhhh without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing opposed to temporal eternal life. perpetual; ceaseless; endless: THE ETERNAL = GOD That they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory. --2 Tim. ii. 10. eternal quarreling = funches eternal principles = Tribo-Meister eternal change and /or not subject to change = Abra eternal forever true = JB eternal truths" = Creative Soul "eternal endless debates" = Krimsa I would of done more....but hey...... you forgot eternal bible thumping = Pharoahcatlady

Unknow Joined Sat 02/24/07 Posts: 212	Fri 11/07/08 05:18 PM
eternal is said to be that which has no beginning or end and void of time ..but once something becomes self aware time then becomes a factor and a beginning is thus created ... therefore "eternal" can only equate to unawareness and does not equate to "always was".. anything consider to be "always was" can only exist in the realm of unconsciousness which means to claim that God "always was" would be referring to when God was unaware or achieving consciousness therefore that God supposedly used the term "I Am" can only express his existence not his eternalism To our perception any point in space appears as aging in linear time. Suppose that point in space actually exists in all increments of time at exactly the same moment, a thousand years ago and a thousand years from now all occupying the same space at the same time. Suppose God is a being who has no limitation regarding time and can exist in "His" present time at any point of our linear time that He chooses. To try to understand the abilities of the creator of all Physics is like a flea on a dog trying to explain why it feels a breeze when the tail wags. You're small, God is big, just accept it.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 11/07/08 05:26 PM
That's feralcatlady to you Mr.....Hugs funch....how be you. P.S. that was a horrible comeback......oh yeahhhhhh yet accurate

feralcatlady Joined Mon 10/08/07 Posts: 35491	Fri 11/07/08 05:35 PM
That's feralcatlady to you Mr.....Hugs funch....how be you. P.S. that was a horrible comeback......oh yeahhhhhh yet accurate NOT but we heart you anyway....

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 11/07/08 05:37 PM
To our perception any point in space appears as aging in linear time. Suppose that point in space actually exists in all increments of time at exactly the same moment, a thousand years ago and a thousand years from now all occupying the same space at the same time. Suppose God is a being who has no limitation regarding time and can exist in "His" present time at any point of our linear time that He chooses. To try to understand the abilities of the creator of all Physics is like a flea on a dog trying to explain why it feels a breeze when the tail wags. You're small, God is big, just accept it. "imkeys" all you did was explain how God is limited within his own reality of time ..

feralcatlady Joined Mon 10/08/07 Posts: 35491	Fri 11/07/08 05:39 PM
Sorry funch their is no time for God.....God is, was, and always will be....can put him in a time continium or a box..... To our perception any point in space appears as aging in linear time. Suppose that point in space actually exists in all increments of time at exactly the same moment, a thousand years ago and a thousand years from now all occupying the same space at the same time. Suppose God is a being who has no limitation regarding time and can exist in "His" present time at any point of our linear time that He chooses. To try to understand the abilities of the creator of all Physics is like a flea on a dog trying to explain why it feels a breeze when the tail wags. You're small, God is big, just accept it. "imkeys" all you did was explain how God is limited within his own reality of time ..

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 11/07/08 05:47 PM
Sorry funch their is no time for God.....God is, was, and always will be....can put him in a time continium or a box..... "feralcatlady" ..I'm going by whats in the bible ...the bible clearly states that God took six days to create the universe and rested on the seventh day ...to rest means you are restrained by time in some shape form or fashion ..besides it took him six days to create ..since eternal is void by time this disqualify God as having eternal status

Unknow Joined Sat 02/24/07 Posts: 212	Fri 11/07/08 06:11 PM
To our perception any point in space appears as aging in linear time. Suppose that point in space actually exists in all increments of time at exactly the same moment, a thousand years ago and a thousand years from now all occupying the same space at the same time. Suppose God is a being who has no limitation regarding time and can exist in "His" present time at any point of our linear time that He chooses. To try to understand the abilities of the creator of all Physics is like a flea on a dog trying to explain why it feels a breeze when the tail wags. You're small, God is big, just accept it. "imkeys" all you did was explain how God is limited within his own reality of time .. Not at all. Omnipresence is not a limitation. I was trying to get you to think outside your own box. You didn't engage in my discussion. I leave you to pontificate to others.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 11/07/08 06:25 PM
Not at all. Omnipresence is not a limitation. I was trying to get you to think outside your own box. You didn't engage in my discussion. I leave you to pontificate to others. "imkeys" .. your thinking wasn't out of the box...you just use the same concept that Dr. Who use to explain why he's a Time Lord ..

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sat 11/08/08 04:37 AM
eternal is said to be that which has no beginning or end and void of time ..but once something becomes self aware time then becomes a factor and a beginning is thus created ... therefore "eternal" can only equate to unawareness and does not equate to "always was".. anything consider to be "always was" can only exist in the realm of unconsciousness which means to claim that God "always was" would be referring to when God was unaware or achieving consciousness therefore that God supposedly used the term "I Am" can only express his existence not his eternalism To our perception any point in space appears as aging in linear time. Suppose that point in space actually exists in all increments of time at exactly the same moment, a thousand years ago and a thousand years from now all occupying the same space at the same time. Suppose God is a being who has no limitation regarding time and can exist in "His" present time at any point of our linear time that He chooses. To try to understand the abilities of the creator of all Physics is like a flea on a dog trying to explain why it feels a breeze when the tail wags. You're small, God is big, just accept it. Im not accepting that premise though thanks for playing.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 11/08/08 07:02 AM
Not at all. Omnipresence is not a limitation. I was trying to get you to think outside your own box. You didn't engage in my discussion. I leave you to pontificate to others. "imkeys" .. your thinking wasn't out of the box...you just use the same concept that Dr. Who use to explain why he's a Time Lord .. I love Dr. Who. --

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 11/08/08 07:08 AM
Sorry funch their is no time for God.....God is, was, and always will be....can put him in a time continium or a box..... That is why I call "god" infinity. Infinity is the absence of time and space. Infinity is "Here Now" existence. All that exists exists here now. There is no future or past except in the mind. "God" (what I call Prime Source) is not a he or a she, by the way.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 11/08/08 07:58 AM
Sorry funch their is no time for God.....God is, was, and always will be....can put him in a time continium or a box..... That is why I call "god" infinity. Infinity is the absence of time and space. Infinity is "Here Now" existence. All that exists exists here now. There is no future or past except in the mind. "God" (what I call Prime Source) is not a he or a she, by the way. "JennieBean" since light moves faster than a person then wouldn't the light or radiation that reflected or emitted off a person exist in the future milliseconds before they do that's why your theory of everything existing in the here and now doesn't wash ..you keep limiting the concept by placing your pantheist beliefs in it

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 11/08/08 08:53 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 11/08/08 08:56 AM
Sorry funch their is no time for God.....God is, was, and always will be....can put him in a time continium or a box..... That is why I call "god" infinity. Infinity is the absence of time and space. Infinity is "Here Now" existence. All that exists exists here now. There is no future or past except in the mind. "God" (what I call Prime Source) is not a he or a she, by the way. "JennieBean" since light moves faster than a person then wouldn't the light or radiation that reflected or emitted off a person exist in the future milliseconds before they do that's why your theory of everything existing in the here and now doesn't wash ..you keep limiting the concept by placing your pantheist beliefs in it funch, if by "person" you mean a physical body, and if by "travel" you are talking about moving through spacetime I can see why you are confused. But for the infinite observer, the "I Am" within (or the soul if you understand it better) there is nothing but the Here and Now. Here and Now is infinity. You would not be able to prove that anything can exist in the past or the future. Even if you had a time machine and traveled into the past or future, the past and future then becomes your personal Here and Now. Everything is defined from the point of view of the observer and the observer exists Here Now and so does the observers reality. An observer can do what you call "time travel" and can go "faster than light" but it is not really traveling through time because time does not exist in infinity. With Infinity everything stands still, even the speed of light. (If you were a time lord you would know all of this. You need to watch more Dr. Who.) The observer exists here now and here now is infinity. The observer is infinity.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 11/08/08 09:12 AM
With Infinity everything stands still, even the speed of light. "JennieBean" so does that mean that those vibrations you said that makes up all existence also stand still

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 11/08/08 09:39 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 11/08/08 09:45 AM
With Infinity everything stands still, even the speed of light. "JennieBean" so does that mean that those vibrations you said that makes up all existence also stand still Only at the point of infinity. The core of all that is. The point of infinity is the beginning and the end. It is the alpha and the omega. It is awareness of self unmoving. The awareness of being.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 11/08/08 10:06 AM
With Infinity everything stands still, even the speed of light. "JennieBean" so does that mean that those vibrations you said that makes up all existence also stand still Only at the point of infinity. The core of all that is. The point of infinity is the beginning and the end. It is the alpha and the omega. It is awareness of self unmoving. The awareness of being. "JennieBean" now you are trying to talk in parables again ..which means you don't have an answer .. if the point of infinity has a beginning and an end then it is not infinity because infinity is void of an end ...you can't have it both ways even if you say that infinity is the present the here and now it still has an end for each thing that exist within it which means the factor of time is included and time void it being infinity it becomes existence infinity can only consist of that which is unaware ...when awareness enters into infinity it becomes reality

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 11/08/08 11:08 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 11/08/08 11:10 AM
With Infinity everything stands still, even the speed of light. "JennieBean" so does that mean that those vibrations you said that makes up all existence also stand still Only at the point of infinity. The core of all that is. The point of infinity is the beginning and the end. It is the alpha and the omega. It is awareness of self unmoving. The awareness of being. "JennieBean" now you are trying to talk in parables again ..which means you don't have an answer .. if the point of infinity has a beginning and an end then it is not infinity because infinity is void of an end ...you can't have it both ways even if you say that infinity is the present the here and now it still has an end for each thing that exist within it which means the factor of time is included and time void it being infinity it becomes existence infinity can only consist of that which is unaware ...when awareness enters into infinity it becomes reality You are right again about one thing. Infinity has no beginning or end. The point of infinity is the beginning and the end of all 'things.' Infinity itself has no beginning or end and it has no-things. Infinity manifests things. It is only aware of itself. It is not aware of things. It is no-thing that is aware of self. When it moves, that is when things manifest and what we know as reality appears.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 11/08/08 11:26 AM
You are right again about one thing. Infinity has no beginning or end. The point of infinity is the beginning and the end of all 'things.' Infinity itself has no beginning or end and it has no-things. Infinity manifests things. It is only aware of itself. It is not aware of things. It is no-thing that is aware of self. When it moves, that is when things manifest and what we know as reality appears. see "JennieBean" there you go again with those pantheist beliefs making infinity the pantheist God ..you now turn infinity a concept into an entity all you are doing is preaching christian religion

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Sat 11/08/08 11:31 AM Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 11/08/08 11:32 AM
You are right again about one thing. Infinity has no beginning or end. The point of infinity is the beginning and the end of all 'things.' Infinity itself has no beginning or end and it has no-things. Infinity manifests things. It is only aware of itself. It is not aware of things. It is no-thing that is aware of self. When it moves, that is when things manifest and what we know as reality appears. see "JennieBean" there you go again with those pantheist beliefs making infinity the pantheist God ..you now turn infinity a concept into an entity all you are doing is preaching christian religion That is a very long way from the Christian religion funches. And the Christian religion is a long way from Pantheism. You apparently know more about Pantheism than I do. I am not "preaching" I am saying what I know from logic and answering your questions. You can label it anything you want. It is your will to do so.