Funches,

Tax Exempt Status != Ripping people off.

The practices in the temple were crooked. They would use the changing of money from one denomination to another as a chance to fleece out-of-town church goers. They used the courtyard that was for the Gentiles to keep animals, which were then sold at a marked up price to anyone who didn't know better.

Jesus wasn't anti-money, Jesus was angry that people were using the traditions of Jewish religion to make a profit and rip people off.

If you didn't know that already, then I apologize. I thought that anyone who knew about the money changers would understand that they were taking advantage of people by using the church to run a scam.

The tax exempt status of churches today is used to help the community. They must file a tax return showing what they used the money for every year. If they weren't using it for appropriate purposes, they would lose their tax exempt status. The two situations cannot be reasonably compared, because one involves crooked dealings and the other is a tax break given to a charity.

"Spidercmb" I mention nothing about tax-exempt credits that was "Milesoftheusa"

but since you brought it up I will comment on it... when it comes to money ..either the government is getting it from you in taxes or the church is getting it from you in tithes

if people actually wanted to help the community they would form an orgainization with no church afiliation and then become tax exempt and then help the community but not use the lord's name in vain to bring in money and then exchange it for something else ..it then falls into the catagory know as "bribery" to capture new members from the unfortunate one in the community that may need help

but I was referring to you trying to be deceptive as if money-changing didn't take place in the church when Jesus went on a rampage

so lets see the church is non-profit

yeah right

you do not think the cathlic church has a lot of money

get real

and as for double taxation it happens all the time and is about to get worse

you tax a corporation that offers a product and/or service they pass that cost to their customer who has already paid income tax on the money they are using to pay for that item (not to mention in most states an additional sales tax as well)

churches are not a not for profit organization

Funches,

I have quoted this for truth purposes. You were clearly drawing a parallel between churches being tax exempt and the money changers.

I didn't deny that Jesus kicked that money changers out of the temple, that's just a strawman fallacy on your point.

A groundless conspiracy. huh. you must not remember back when it was in the news over the courts told a church that they could not discriminate because of thier belief. A gay person was turned away and complained and the courts found in her favor.Thats a conspericy huh. And I believe it was a Baptists church in Minnasota. I believe they did give up thier 501c tax exempt to keep with thier beliefs. You need to remember better it made the national news. You need to read the wording for a 501c charatible organization.

Now this was a supreme court ruling in 1983. Now by what it says spider and how much society has changed are you still going to say the IRS is not going to dictate what you can do as your belief?


The purpose behind relieving schools from paying taxes is that they serve a charitable function for the whole community. However, racially discriminatory policies outweighed those benefits and, hence, the IRS did not exceed its authority. Moreover, Burger argued that the reason why charitable organizations' tax exemptions are predicated upon serving general community interests is the fact that when such exemptions are granted, "all taxpayers are affected; the very fact of the exemption or deduction for the donor means that other taxpayers can be said to be indirect and vicarious "donors." "

Thus, charitable exemptions are justified entirely on the basis that when an organization is given an exemption, that organization is providing a public benefit and that the organization is not "so at odds with the common community conscience as to undermine any public benefit that might otherwise be conferred."

Read that last paragraph close and see what you think that ruling means.. Shalom...Miles

"You need to remember better it made the national news."

A strange comment coming from someone who admits he can't remember any details to the "event".

"Spidercmb" doesn't tax-exempt means that you don't have to exchange money ..whichs makes your assumption about me making a parallel to it your delusion ...have you ever known me to not just tell you exactly what I mean ..

also if you agree that what I said about Jesus and the money-changers then how is that a strawman fallacy unless you are once again trying to deny it ...your deception tactics in speaking of the religion is one reason people stay away from the church

I remembered enough to find where the supreme court had made a ruling. I am just showing you facts and as usual you try to make a scapegoat.

Thats why you see so many argueing with you because you say what you heard not what you know.

Thats why i can get along with the non believers better than the believers alot of the time. They love the commandments that are against them and the letter of the law.

You can not see that is what you believe because we are in a new age. Then the religious elite held them down with thier thumbs telling them what to believe. Then it was saying what the law did not say.

Now it has flip flopped the leaders tell you that the letter of the law and the commandments that are against us is the law.

both are wrong and Yahshua's words confirm it. Go outside the Box and believe that when the Prophet Jeremiah said we would have the law written on our hearts and in our minds and that the day would come when man would not say Know Yahweh for they all will. This is the gift of the Holy spirit that is claimed is a personal relationship. It is the spirit of truth will teach you all things. But will leave you if you fight it and do not believe it is teaching you and not man. Then with Zeal you can answer every man of the Hope you have inside you. Blessings of Shalom..Miles

Funches,

Let's start over, okay? I want you to undertand this. I am making an effort here to clear up any misconceptions.

1) Jesus kicked the money changers out of the Temple. I don't deny this. I have never denied this. To claim that I have denied this is a strawman fallacy.

2) Money changing isn't the same as taxes. If I were changing Pesos to US Dollars and I took 10% more Pesos than I gave in US dollars, that's a crime, it's theft. That is what was happening in the temple. Paying taxes or not paying taxes is NOTHING similar to that practice.

3) I have no idea what you mean about the Churches still having money changers. If you mean donations, well that's completely off. Donations are nothing like money changers. If you mean bookstores, you are only right if they are running the book store to make a dishonest profit.

"Spidercmb" you act like Jesus had a scanner gun and was doing price checks on all the items being sold in the temple

it's none of Jesus business how much someone can charge another for a particular item ..but Jesus made it his business when they exchanged money in his father's temple

the church accepting money and since you brought it up "having tax exempt status" makes it a business not the Lord's temple which means everyone is engaging in money changing

Funches,

I don't believe that you believe the crap you are posting, so I'm done with you and your silly posts. You are 53 years old, don't you have anything better to do than to try to offend other people? I suggest a constructive hobby.

"Spidercmb"... it's no need to have a conniption fit... so ...er.. do this means we are no longer best buds

Funch I like you regardless of our disagreements lol. Cheers

how rude