ratsach = murder.

KJV says "kill", but it's wrong, it's a bad translation.

I know this isn't too complicated for you, maybe you just enjoy pretending to be stupid. Whatever gets you through the day man. Different strokes for different folks and all that.

See you around

For the rabbit yes, for you maybe.
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Spider literal means what? This is what you do ever time you are confronted with a problem.

I think its hilarious also, you have been done with this thread 3 times now. Yet I keep sucking you back in . . . lol

Spider..

I was wondering if you had any references where the 1st century believers went to war or killed for that matter. I know thier was a slaughter of them but I did not realize they fought back.. Shalom...Miles

Miles I think you are my kind of Christian. Im no Buddhist, but when I read Buddhism says do no harm, I read wisdom.

Spider every frame of reference is equally important. The laws of physics have no doubts, if there is a god there is no doubt about those laws and his intentions. Why would any other law be any different.

Life is life from every perspective imaginable. Killing is murder from every perspective imaginable. Destruction is choas, order is life.

so "Spidercmb" does that mean that if you found an adulterer that according to God's law you would stone them to death or would you ignore God's law

since Spider has apperently left i will put my 2 cents worth in

Mercy has always been in the law. The stonings that we see that I know of was Yahweh himself commanded it. Then thier were the Judges who would here the Testimony of 2 witnesses.

We can go all the way back to cain and Abel and see that Yahweh did not have Cain killed and he even made it so that no one else could either.

In the time of Yahshua the system of Justice was so corrupt that all the Pharasees could think of was how they were going to kill Yahshua. Because he said they were wrong.

The woman that was brought to Yahshua he did not accuse. This was another attempt to trick Yahshua. Yet in thier own Law the man should of been brought also. So if one of them would of stoned her then he would of been guilty also for showing partiallity. Yahshua never went to find the man.

The law was always spiritual in nature. What you see in the Torah is examples of the Isrealites after all that they were shown. All the miracles for years and they still disobeyed was rebellion. Rebellion if it goes on in a camp spreads like wild fire. The judgements that Yahweh made were for the peoples own good to know this was serious and they had to have examples of what happens when you sin.

This is the whole reason for all the animal sacrafices to show what or how you affect others by your own actions.

The same is true today our sins harm others. Now though repentance is what is your sacrafice. Yahweh knowing as Paul said to obey the magistrates. The law of the land. Because down through the ages and now also your actions in breaking the law also causes you to suffer. Yahshua said when you suffer for your wrongdoing do not rejoice. You deserved it. When you suffer for his sake then rejoice because they are doing it because they Hate Yahshua and they see him in you. Blessings...Miles

Yes these things were mentioned in the Bible, but they were not condoned, especially in the New Testament. There were laws God set up to punish people, but those that you mentioned were not among them. Those were laws that man created, some added to the laws God gave them, to make themselves feel "holier" if you will.

There are part of the Bible that are literal and some that aren't. Getting a camel through the eye of a needle is obviously not literal, but loving your neighbor is. One has to use common sense when trying to decide what is meant literally and what is not.

I agree that animals feel pain, have joy, etc., and originally they were not created to be food. Before the fall of man and his sin, everything ate vegetation. But afterwords, things changed. God himself killed the very first animal, to provide clothes for Adam and Eve. Though animals feel pain, can be happy and all that, they still do not possess a soul. That is what makes them different from us. No all animals were to be eaten either. We all choose what we want to eat, and should not put down others because they don't share our viewpoints. I don't have the right to condemn someone for choose to not eat meat, but on the other hand, you should not condemn someone if they choose to eat meat.

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."

Albert Einstein

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You infer condemnation. It is not my book that says thou shall not kill. I am merely pointing out inconsistencies of what is LITERALLY WRITTEN.

The bible was assembled by the vote of men from many texts that where handed down through oral tradition . . . . to believe it has been unchanged is foolish.

To believe common sense is enough to determine what a supposed god wants of you is equally foolish.

It's funny to me. You know God (supposedly) created us, made us in his image actually. He gave us the ability to think rationally, with logic and science. He gave us the ability to find the hidden messages in his creation.

Yet, when it comes to interpreting the "instruction manual" he left for us, it has to be "black and white." Nope, God didn't hide anything in that book. He didn't want you to think or use logic when reading it. He didn't even want you to find the message that it gives. Nope if it isn't printed letter for letter, it isn't God's word.


Yeah, there's a word for that kind of logic and it makes your roses really bloom in the spring.

the only thing that a God requires from it's followers is complete and blind obedience or else why would the God even bother to set forth laws in the hope that it followers would obey them

if God's law is "Thou shalt not Kill" then follow that law without question

as you notice believers are actually making excuses why they should kill

didn't they do that in the Inqusition

how about

give unto ceasar that which is ceasor's

when organized religion pays their taxes then they will be a little less hypocritical

just a thought

but hey

what do i know

Churches are non-profit organizations. Taxing a church would be double taxation, as they do not make a profit and they get their money from donations. The members of the church are already paying taxes. All that would come from a church paying taxes would be a reduction in the services that they are able to provide to the community.

sorry "Spidercmb" but churches are still exchanging money in the temple of the lord ...didn't Jesus have a conniption fit when that happens in his father's temple

The church Spider by taking the Tax exemption 501C they are in bed with the govt. They are giving them control over as what is starting to happen what they can preach. Inspections of the church and records. The churches worry over giving thier congregation a tax break is fear that the income for the Pastor may go down or any programs they may sponcer. The govt. with the Board which the church has to have which you can find no Board of directors anywhere in the Bible. Has agreed to the rules of The govt. They are govt. sponcered organizations. Watch as your church will be told shortly what they can preach, hire and do all at the govt. Commandments. Shalom...Miles

The problem I have with this is the same problem i have with horoscopes, give the same horoscope to 20 people and ask them if it applies . . .. they will all say yes but for different reasons . . .

The bible is an ancient horoscope with fun stories of murder and debauchery, if you want to understand more about human psychology read the bible. I learn more about reality from nature.

For a church to keep it's tax exempt status, it must not make any statements of support for a particular candidate. The church remains total control over hiring and firing and they are allowed to hire people who meet their own qualifications. So if the church only wants to hire Baptists, they can do that. If the church doesn't want to hire gays, they can do that.

The church does have to file special tax return, but that is just to keep everyone honest.

What you have written is groundless conspiracy theory.

Funches,

I don't believe that even you believe what you post. If you really believe this, then you are beyond my ability to help.

"Spidercmb" ..you complained about what I may or may not believe but yet you didn't disagree with the post ..that's sort of being deceptive isn't it ..because you know that churches are money changers and that Jesus had a temper tantrum when it took place in the Lord's temple