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We don't agree on what murder is spider . . . nothing ignorant here . . . You say that the times have changed . . . . and that is why god has changed his laws regarding slavery, and you will probably agree that blended clothing is not against gods law . . . . so many things you see as different today . . . Well we do not need to kill animals to survive. Is it just to do so regardless of need? How can you tell when its time to change with the times, or hold on to tradition? Also Spider calling me ignorant is pretty funny, but also against forum rules. Personally I dont give a dam. I will cuss you if I feel like it, feel free to report me. But understand that you need to decide for yourself how important your access here is when you throw around those words . . . 
You have changed the subject. Earlier, you argued that the Bible says and means "Thou shall not kill". It doesn't. Sorry, but it just does NOT say that. Now you changed the subject to "maybe it's time to change" the meaning of that commandment. Well, I think that should be up to the individual who does the changing, don't you? What gives you or anyone else the right to decide that Christianity should be a vegetarian religion? Let me guess...you support abortion, right?
It always seems that if someone is against killing animals, they are for killing innocent human babies. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 11/05/08 01:47 PM
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Yes it does. IT PHYSICALLY SAYS THAT SPIDER.
If you have found a miss translation maybe you should have that changed before making a ludicrous statement like it doesn't say what is does say because someone miss translated it . . . . . I have a bible in front of me now and it says word for word "Thou SHALL NOT KILL" I am on topic, THE BIBLE SAYS ONE THING AND CHRISTIANS DO ANOTHER > > > > > OVER AND OVER AGAIN. |
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Edited by
Spidercmb
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Wed 11/05/08 01:48 PM
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Look no morale outrage I am calling out your books discrepancies . . . (you can seriously stop getting off topic or I will report you) Spider what is the topic we are discussing? . . . take your time, I know you like to confuse things. Is the Morales of the OP the topic? Do I have a written ancient text to guide me that we can criticize? There is no discrepancy.
THE WORD IN HEBREW IS MURDER. This discussion is very boring. 
Whatever man, I'm outta here. I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. "The word means murder" "But it says kill" "Yes, that's a 400 year old translation and it's not accurate, the word means murder" "But is says kill" "Right, but all of the authorities on the Hebrew language agree it means murder" "But it says kill" 
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Yes it does. IT PHYSICALLY SAYS THAT SPIDER. If you have found a miss translation maybe you should have that changed before making a ludicrous statement like it doesn't say what is does say because someone miss translated it . . . . . I have a bible in front of me now and it says word for word "Thou SHALL NOT KILL" I am on topic, THE BIBLE SAYS ONE THING AND CHRISTIANS DO ANOTHER > > > > > OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
IT'S A MISTRANSLATION!!!! I have offered copious links to support my argument, you simply repeat your argument.
"it says kill" "But it says kill" "Spider...it says it right here" "It's right here, "Kill""
http://strongsnumbers.com/hebrew/7523.htm |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 11/05/08 01:56 PM
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Words are fluid . . . . The word murder is not defined scientifically.
"# kill intentionally and with premeditation; "The mafia boss ordered his enemies murdered" # mangle: alter so as to make unrecognizable; "The tourists murdered the French language" " There for it is up for debate. Trying to make a point in a debate based on a colloquial definition is the definition of absurd. So what about not wearing blended materials? Hmm? Literal? or has that changed also because you don't feel like following it? |
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Edited by
Spidercmb
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Wed 11/05/08 02:28 PM
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So what about not wearing blended materials? Hmm? Literal? or has that changed also because you don't feel like following it? http://en.allexperts.com/q/Conservative-Judaism-951/Spirit-Law.htm "SHA'ATNEZ (Heb. zntAQ; Gr. kibdhloz, "counterfeit"), cloth combining wool and linen. Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11 prohibit the wearing of sha'atnez, in the former passage explained as beged kilayim, "cloth made from a mixture of two kinds of material," in the latter passage explained as "wool and linen together." While the meaning of the term is therefore clear, its etymology is obscure, modern speculation ranging from unlikely Hebrew combinations (e.g., saarat-anez supposedly meaning "[sheep's] hair-[flax] stalk") to the no more likely Coptic (saht, "woven," nudj, "false" [cf. the LXX]), and vulgar Arabic (shash, "black gauze," atmuz, "strong") derivations. The word looks foreign. The clothing of the priests was notably exempt from the prohibition of sha'atnez. Exodus 28:6, 8, 15, and 39:29 prescribe that various pieces be made of linen and colored wool interwoven (cf. Kil. 9:1: "Priests wear only wool and linen [i.e. sha'atnez] when they serve in the temple"). This suggests that the general prohibition was grounded on the taboo character of such a mixture, pertaining exclusively to the realm of the sacred." Since there is no longer any Temple with a priesthood, and because some laws do indeed fall into disuse over time, it is no need to have the mixtures prohibited today in my opinion - some orthodox Jews clearly disagree and continue that prohibition. The Priests were allowed to wear clothing of mixed fibers, but the non-priests were not. Since there is no temple or priesthood, most Jews consider themselves exempt from that commandment. All Christians are called to be priests, therefore it is not a sin for any Christian to wear mixed fiber clothing. |
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Explain to me the purpose of that at all spider?
Why was it ever an issue? Why would god CARE AT ALL? Explain plez. |
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Edited by
funches
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Wed 11/05/08 02:47 PM
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To eat meat is to kill. That should seem simple to understand. I don't see where the bible says thou shalt not kill people. "Bushidobillyclub"... didn't you know that Vegetarians kill plants to eat ...but since God commanded or recommended that Adam and Eve "till" the garden of Eden and eat what they grew he may exempt plants from the kill list |
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Right on Funches. At the end of the day regardless of any book we must eat to survive. I do not hold that against anyone.
Same with animals, some animals must kill to live, I am very fortunate to live when and where I do and have the choice because I am an animal that has the flexibility to make that choice and remain healthy. |
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I don't care what the bible says... I'm not giving up my 50/50 blend t-shirts!!! Who's with me???
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IT'S A MISTRANSLATION!!!! I have offered copious links to support my argument, you simply repeat your argument.
"it says kill" "But it says kill" "Spider...it says it right here" "It's right here, "Kill""
so "Spidercmb" when God drown everyone in the flood except a few dung shovellers on Noah's Ark and it was obviously pre-meditated on God's part ....is that considered mass murder or mass killing |
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so "Spidercmb" when God drown everyone in the flood except a few dung shovellers on Noah's Ark and it was obviously pre-meditated on God's part ....is that considered mass murder or mass killing Can you give life to anything? No, only God can. Life is God's to give and God's to take away. Every single living thing get's it's life from God and it's life is sustained by God. |
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so "Spidercmb" when God drown everyone in the flood except a few dung shovellers on Noah's Ark and it was obviously pre-meditated on God's part ....is that considered mass murder or mass killing Can you give life to anything? No, only God can. Life is God's to give and God's to take away. Every single living thing get's it's life from God and it's life is sustained by God. "Spidercmb" and you have just prove the point ...that when God kills there is no difference between murder and killing ...therefore Man cannot make the decision what is killing and murder to justify his taking of a life only God can make that decision |
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so "Spidercmb" when God drown everyone in the flood except a few dung shovellers on Noah's Ark and it was obviously pre-meditated on God's part ....is that considered mass murder or mass killing Can you give life to anything? No, only God can. Life is God's to give and God's to take away. Every single living thing get's it's life from God and it's life is sustained by God. "Spidercmb" and you have just prove the point ...that when God kills there is no difference between murder and killing ...therefore Man cannot make the decision what is killing and murder to justify his taking of a life only God can make that decision And you've made my point. That God has said that man can kill animals and that people can kill in self defense and war without being guilty of murder. |
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so "Spidercmb" when God drown everyone in the flood except a few dung shovellers on Noah's Ark and it was obviously pre-meditated on God's part ....is that considered mass murder or mass killing Can you give life to anything? No, only God can. Life is God's to give and God's to take away. Every single living thing get's it's life from God and it's life is sustained by God. "Spidercmb" and you have just prove the point ...that when God kills there is no difference between murder and killing ...therefore Man cannot make the decision what is killing and murder to justify his taking of a life only God can make that decision And you've made my point. That God has said that man can kill animals and that people can kill in self defense and war without being guilty of murder. "Spidercmb" so when God told Moses to stone adulterers to death was that murder or a killing |
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so "Spidercmb" when God drown everyone in the flood except a few dung shovellers on Noah's Ark and it was obviously pre-meditated on God's part ....is that considered mass murder or mass killing Can you give life to anything? No, only God can. Life is God's to give and God's to take away. Every single living thing get's it's life from God and it's life is sustained by God. "Spidercmb" and you have just prove the point ...that when God kills there is no difference between murder and killing ...therefore Man cannot make the decision what is killing and murder to justify his taking of a life only God can make that decision And you've made my point. That God has said that man can kill animals and that people can kill in self defense and war without being guilty of murder. "Spidercmb" so when God told Moses to stone adulterers to death was that murder or a killing That's punishment for breaking a law. God allowed that people could be punished by death. You just pointed out one such law yourself. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 11/05/08 07:19 PM
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spider do you know what literal means?
apparently not. ____________ Something that is accepted exactly as it was submitted. lockup without interpretation or embellishment; "a literal depiction of the scene before him" saying kill means murder is not taking the bible literally. you fail . . . again. _______________ also you know men wrote the bible, and you already accept that they wrote in parts due to the culture of the times, and that is may not represent what god means . . . how can anyone make such strong claims about the meaning of anything in a book where you make such assertions back to back. One being that not all parts are current, then that some parts are absolute but then in reference to only one group of animals. Im starting to question your sanity, or perhaps your intelligence. Hmm ill have to think on that one a while. |
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there is a difference to god between murder and killing both are sad but only one is bad.
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 11/05/08 07:21 PM
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It is so funny how people rationalize destruction.
Good and bad are relative, I am sure the animal you kill thinks its bad. |
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It is so funny how people rationalize destruction. Good and bad are relative, I am sure the animal you kill thinks its bad. yep, but if you go out shoot a animal laugh and walk away then its bad, but if you are in a desert dying and you shoot a rabit and eat it is it bad? |
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