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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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i'm really more impressed with Saturn!! i saw on science channel that the planet is all gas no solid and at its south pole so to say is a large 5000 mile wide hurricane all the time and at the northern pole is a perfect polygon 6 equal sides 200 miles across i think and the clouds travel around it in an angular pattern and they can see way inside it hundreds of miles - ???? what purpose it has ?? it's unexplainable. I missed that show ... damn. There are theories that planets are hollow. Have you ever looked into the Hollow earth theory? Also the moon is supposed to be hollow. I don't know if there is any truth to that and most scientist will deny it and laugh their heads off at the idea. I have heard that electromagnetic energy comes out of one pole and travels around the planet to the other pole, going inside. There are many changes happening to the planets in our solar system right now because of the sun's approach to the galactic equator of the Milky way. JB yeah i have a site with several on it about the holow earth thing plus what i read when young on schaffers books of an antideluvian race[not dracos]  Thats cool I know about Richard Schaver,the Hollow Earth and the Dero I love reading "Amazing Stories"!
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i believe advanced beings visit us with interdimensional methods
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Mon 10/27/08 09:17 PM
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 Richard Schaver began writing his stories about the Dero and the Tero as sci fi stories for "Amazing Stories" magazine but he soon actually began to believe in them himself.  Why does this seem to be a habit for sci fi writers?
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People find it easy to believe and admit that life in the universe and even in this galaxy is certainly possible, but they find it hard to believe that life might be sentient humanoids? Why? Whats so disagreeable or hard to believe in that? Do humans want to think that they and they alone are special and there can't possibly be any other sentient life forms but them in the entire galaxy? I just don't understand that given the mounds of evidence I have come across that points to the truth that there are other sentient life forms living on this very planet and coming not only from outer space but from the inner earth and another dimensional reality. well, the only thing i think on this [not having actually witnessed it myself]- is that we have done alot of spelunking in the deepest caverns and not run across anything that would show any sentient life having lived there all over the world, now unles it has been kept secret[wichwoud mean shutting up credentialed archelogist who do this] it seems there is no evidence for this so to say with out proof what would you expect? faith? 
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Richard Schaver began writing his stories about the Dero and the Tero as sci fi stories for "Astounding Stories" magazine but he soon actually began to believe in them himself. Why does this seem to be a habit for sci fi writers? micheal schaeffer is who i was talking of who wrote 5 books on life here thousands of years ago that was advanced beyond anything we now know those books came out in the late 40's early 50's if i remember correctly and unfortunately i dont remeber the names of them. |
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People find it easy to believe and admit that life in the universe and even in this galaxy is certainly possible, but they find it hard to believe that life might be sentient humanoids? Why? Whats so disagreeable or hard to believe in that? Do humans want to think that they and they alone are special and there can't possibly be any other sentient life forms but them in the entire galaxy? I just don't understand that given the mounds of evidence I have come across that points to the truth that there are other sentient life forms living on this very planet and coming not only from outer space but from the inner earth and another dimensional reality. well, the only thing i think on this [not having actually witnessed it myself]- is that we have done alot of spelunking in the deepest caverns and not run across anything that would show any sentient life having lived there all over the world, now unles it has been kept secret[wichwoud mean shutting up credentialed archelogist who do this] it seems there is no evidence for this so to say with out proof what would you expect? faith? I used to work in Mammoth Cave,one of the 7 wonders of the world. Yes indeed there is life underground. There is an entire ecosystem within Mammoth cave.
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That mammoth cave sounds cool. Youve brought that up before. Is that in Kentucky?
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Richard Schaver began writing his stories about the Dero and the Tero as sci fi stories for "Astounding Stories" magazine but he soon actually began to believe in them himself. Why does this seem to be a habit for sci fi writers? micheal schaeffer is who i was talking of who wrote 5 books on life here thousands of years ago that was advanced beyond anything we now know those books came out in the late 40's early 50's if i remember correctly and unfortunately i dont remeber the names of them. My bad. I thought you meant sci fi writer Richard Shaver who wrote stories about the Hollow Earth and the Dero and Tero in the 40s,50s and 60s He was a popular author until he went nuts and began believing the Dero and Tero were real.
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Sam a guy I used to date when I was heavily down with hallucinogenic substances (no just kidding ) was super duper into sci-fi and life on other planets within the Milky Way and I guess there are some strange circumstances that surround Saturn. For one thing it has a very strong gravitational environment, high winds, high pressure, and SUPER cold. So perhaps something could exist on it's surface or within it but just NOT like us. It would never be quiet but always deafening winds. The entire planet is not cold however, there are areas where it might be close to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Like Mexico right? Well not exactly. In the areas where it is warmer, the strong gravitational pull would make it feel like you are in the deep sea, with crushing pressure over your body. You would just be smashed flat into pudding. So thats not to say something couldnt evolve there, but just certainly not like us.It would be incompatible with life as we understand it Very inhospitable.  Now Mars is another story altogether. from what the SC program said - saturn is all gases no solid areas at all - you could enter it anywhere and come out the otherside if it wasn't so dense that it would collapse your ship. they said it was hot but i don't remeber how hot. and the atmosphere was unbreathable by us at least, but that pollygon at the pole was amazing and why is it there on the first sattelite they sent they tought it and the hurricane would disappear but 8 yrs later it was still there. strange phenomina for sure i know it will be on again if it is i will post when if i see it. |
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People find it easy to believe and admit that life in the universe and even in this galaxy is certainly possible, but they find it hard to believe that life might be sentient humanoids? Why? Whats so disagreeable or hard to believe in that? Do humans want to think that they and they alone are special and there can't possibly be any other sentient life forms but them in the entire galaxy? I just don't understand that given the mounds of evidence I have come across that points to the truth that there are other sentient life forms living on this very planet and coming not only from outer space but from the inner earth and another dimensional reality. well, the only thing i think on this [not having actually witnessed it myself]- is that we have done alot of spelunking in the deepest caverns and not run across anything that would show any sentient life having lived there all over the world, now unles it has been kept secret[wichwoud mean shutting up credentialed archelogist who do this] it seems there is no evidence for this so to say with out proof what would you expect? faith? I used to work in Mammoth Cave,one of the 7 wonders of the world. Yes indeed there is life underground. There is an entire ecosystem within Mammoth cave. sorry MM i meant sentient life such as ours or similiar. |
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That mammoth cave sounds cool. Youve brought that up before. Is that in Kentucky? Yeah. There are rivers with unique fish in them and strange fungus-like stuff that grows down there and these odd mouse critters that will grab anything you drop. Its big enough to fit a city down there. There are also remnants of ancient human habitations in various parts of the cave system. It can get REALLY weird walking around down there by yourself. The mind can go wild.
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People find it easy to believe and admit that life in the universe and even in this galaxy is certainly possible, but they find it hard to believe that life might be sentient humanoids? Why? Whats so disagreeable or hard to believe in that? Do humans want to think that they and they alone are special and there can't possibly be any other sentient life forms but them in the entire galaxy? I just don't understand that given the mounds of evidence I have come across that points to the truth that there are other sentient life forms living on this very planet and coming not only from outer space but from the inner earth and another dimensional reality. well, the only thing i think on this [not having actually witnessed it myself]- is that we have done alot of spelunking in the deepest caverns and not run across anything that would show any sentient life having lived there all over the world, now unles it has been kept secret[wichwoud mean shutting up credentialed archelogist who do this] it seems there is no evidence for this so to say with out proof what would you expect? faith? I used to work in Mammoth Cave,one of the 7 wonders of the world. Yes indeed there is life underground. There is an entire ecosystem within Mammoth cave. sorry MM i meant sentient life such as ours or similiar. There are unique animals that have evolved to underground life down there and humans have lived down there over the millenia. After what Ive seen down there, I suppose anything is possible.
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Mon 10/27/08 09:44 PM
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I would not rule out the possibility of diverse humanoid type animals that have evolved on other terrestrial planets, however common sense would dictate that we at some point are forced to take under consideration the constraints that humans need to live under in order that we thrive and reproduce. We are very fragile things, yet highly intelligent. However, we cant live in extreme temperatures one way or another, we require foods and water an oxygen. So, that would mean that in order for there to be more of us or something very comparable, it would probably need to be in a universe that was very similar to the one we already occupy. If it were not compatible with human life, then something else might be there. Just not us.
I dont know what Im going on about though Im tired.  |
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Mon 10/27/08 10:27 PM
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THIS IS FOR JB ONLY.NOBODY ELSE READ THIS. LOL During 1943, Shaver wrote a letter to Amazing magazine. He claimed to have discovered an ancient language he called "Mantong," a sort of Proto-World language which was the source of all Earthly language. In Mantong, each sound had a hidden meaning, and by applying this formula to any word in any language, one could decode a secret meaning to any word, name or phrase. Palmer applied the Mantong formula to several words, and said he realized Shaver was on to something. Palmer wrote to Shaver, asking how he had learned of Mantong. Shaver responded with an approximately 10,000 word document entitled "A Warning to Future Man." Shaver wrote of extremely advanced pre-historic races who had built cavern cities inside Earth before abandoning Earth for another planet due to damaging radiation from the sun. Those ancients also abandoned some of their own offspring here, a minority of whom remained noble and human "Teros", while most degenerated over time into a population of mentally impaired sadists known as Dero--short for "detrimental robots." Shaver's "robots" were not mechanical constructs, but were robot-like due to their savage behavior. These Dero still lived in the cave cities, according to Shaver, kidnapping surface-dwelling people by the thousands for meat or torture. With sophisticated "ray" machinery that the great ancient races had left behind, they spied on people and projected tormenting thoughts and voices into our minds (reminiscent of schizophrenia's "influencing machines" such as the Air loom). Dero could be blamed for nearly all misfortunes, from minor "accidental" injuries or illnesses to airplane crashes and catastrophic natural disasters. Women especially were singled out for brutal treatment, including rape, and Dash notes that "Sado-masochism was one of the prominent themes of Shaver's writings."[3] Though generally confined to their caves, Shaver claimed that the Deros sometimes traveled by spaceships or rockets, and had dealings with equally evil extraterrestrial beings. Shaver claimed first-hand knowledge of the Dero and their caves, insisting he had been their prisoner for several years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_S._Shaver |
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I would not rule out the possibility of diverse humanoid type animals that have evolved on other terrestrial planets, however common sense would dictate that we at some point are forced to take under consideration the constraints that humans need to live under in order that we thrive and reproduce. We are very fragile things, yet highly intelligent. However, we cant live in extreme temperatures one way or another, we require foods and water an oxygen. So, that would mean that in order for there to be more of us or something very comparable, it would probably need to be in a universe that was very similar to the one we already occupy. If it were not compatible with human life, then something else might be there. Just not us. I dont know what Im going on about though Im tired. Sounds logical
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People find it easy to believe and admit that life in the universe and even in this galaxy is certainly possible, but they find it hard to believe that life might be sentient humanoids? Why? Whats so disagreeable or hard to believe in that? Do humans want to think that they and they alone are special and there can't possibly be any other sentient life forms but them in the entire galaxy? I just don't understand that given the mounds of evidence I have come across that points to the truth that there are other sentient life forms living on this very planet and coming not only from outer space but from the inner earth and another dimensional reality. Where's Lexfont? I was just going to explain to Jeannie why we think human-like creatures are so rare in the universe. Just to check my numbers I looked them up, (cause I really couldn't remember for sure), and it's a good thing I did too because I was wrong! I was thinking that there was something like 30 million species on earth. But according to the following site, there are less than 2 million species on earth: http://www.currentresults.com/Environment-Facts/Plants-Animals/number-species.php That means that humans are 'one-in-two-million" That's actually not bad odds universally speaking I don't think. I was originally thinking we were one in 30 million species. That clearly a lot more rare. Actually I think I got that number from a show that was talking about all the species that ever lived on the earth (including extinct species). I think the site I linked to above is talking about the current species. So the "one in 30-million" figure might be correct after all, if we take all of evolution into account. In any case, I don't think the "One in two-million" figure is all that bad. Especially taking into consideration how fast life diversifies once it become aerobic. Let's not forget that for millions of years the earth was just anerobic bacteria that just lived on the surface of rocks transforming the atmosphere into an oxygenated environment. That might be a necessary process on all newly born planets. If that's the case there may be lots of planets out there filled with anarobic bacteria just building up atmosphere. Look how FAST more complicated animals evolved once an aerobic atmosphere was estabilished! And like I said before, imagine if humans had evolved at the time of dinosaurs (assume dinosaurs failed for some reason) We'd not be a 300 million-old species! Extremely technological by now (assuming we didn't keep shooting oursleves in the foot) I mean, we're only about 2 million years old as a species! We're just babies! In fact, I'm being very generous with the 2 million years. Some people only recognize humans back a few hundred thousand years. I guess this all depends on where you want to draw the line between monkey and hominid. We've only just been born as a species! No wonder we're so stupid. We're still in diapers! |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 10/27/08 10:46 PM
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Of course some believe that the galaxy aliens are inter dimensional.
(Taken from "The Biggest Secret") There are three suggested origins for the Anunnaki reptilian intervention in human affairs: 1 They are extraterrestrials; 2 They are ‘inner’ terrestrials who live within the Earth; 3 They manipulate humanity from another dimension by ‘possessing’ human bodies. I think they are all true. The researcher and author,John Rhodes says that after the reptilians invade a planet from space and from their underground bases, the surface population quickly surrender to superior weaponry. Then the reptilians strip the planet of its resources like water, minerals and DNA information. The infiltration of human society via secret societies is a key method of reptilian control, as I shall detail. The American writer and researcher, William Bramley, concluded in his book, Gods Of Eden, that the Anunnaki created a secret society called the Brotherhood of the Snake and this has been used to manipulate humanity in the way described in the chapters that follow. This Brotherhood of the Snake is the core centre of today’s global secret society network which is controlled by the reptilians. In their physical expression, the Anunnaki are one of the many inner-Earth races which live underground in the enormous catacombs, caverns and tunnels below the surface. A Hopi Indian legend says that a very ancient tunnel complex exists under Los Angeles and this, they say, was occupied by a ‘lizard’ race some 5,000 years ago. In 1933 G. Warren Shufelt, an LA mining engineer, claimed to have found it There has been a massive cover up by the authorities of the existence of these subterranean races and where they live. In 1909 a subterranean city which was built with the precision of the Great Pyramid was found by G.E. Kincaid near the Grand Canyon in Arizona. It was big enough to accommodate 50,000 people and mummified bodies found on the site were of oriental or possibly Egyptian origin, according to the expedition leader Professor S.A. Jordan.21 Numerous artefacts were found, including copper implements as hard as steel. The Smithsonian Institution in Washington DC has ensured these finds remain unknown to the public (that’s its job!) and no-one would have known about this discovery had it not been for two articles in a local newspaper, the Arizona Gazette, in April 1909. The researcher and author, John Rhodes, claims to have located this site and he connects it with Sipapuni, the underground world from where the Hopi Indians claim to have originated. According to their legends, the Hopi once lived within the Earth and were fed and clothed by ‘ant people’, possibly the extraterrestrials known as the Greys. The Hopi refer to their ancestors as their ‘snake brothers’ and their most sacred of underground rituals is the snake dance. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 10/27/08 10:54 PM
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I was just going to explain to Jeannie why we think human-like creatures are so rare in the universe. When I say "humanoid" I am basically talking about something that looks somewhat human having two eyes, two hands, two feet etc. Other things can be entirely different. Even the frequency of the light body can be different existing in another dimension unseen by our human eyes. We've only just been born as a species! You don't know that, except from what you suspect has happened here on earth. You are still thinking in terms of the earth being the center of the universe I think. The vast universe probably has earth-like planets with human like creatures in it a long way from the Milky way galaxy. Think big. |
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Of course some believe that the galaxy aliens are inter dimensional. (Taken from "The Biggest Secret") There are three suggested origins for the Anunnaki reptilian intervention in human affairs: 1 They are extraterrestrials; 2 They are ‘inner’ terrestrials who live within the Earth; 3 They manipulate humanity from another dimension by ‘possessing’ human bodies. I think they are all true. The researcher and author,John Rhodes says that after the reptilians invade a planet from space and from their underground bases, the surface population quickly surrender to superior weaponry. Then the reptilians strip the planet of its resources like water, minerals and DNA information. The infiltration of human society via secret societies is a key method of reptilian control, as I shall detail. The American writer and researcher, William Bramley, concluded in his book, Gods Of Eden, that the Anunnaki created a secret society called the Brotherhood of the Snake and this has been used to manipulate humanity in the way described in the chapters that follow. This Brotherhood of the Snake is the core centre of today’s global secret society network which is controlled by the reptilians. In their physical expression, the Anunnaki are one of the many inner-Earth races which live underground in the enormous catacombs, caverns and tunnels below the surface. A Hopi Indian legend says that a very ancient tunnel complex exists under Los Angeles and this, they say, was occupied by a ‘lizard’ race some 5,000 years ago. In 1933 G. Warren Shufelt, an LA mining engineer, claimed to have found it There has been a massive cover up by the authorities of the existence of these subterranean races and where they live. In 1909 a subterranean city which was built with the precision of the Great Pyramid was found by G.E. Kincaid near the Grand Canyon in Arizona. It was big enough to accommodate 50,000 people and mummified bodies found on the site were of oriental or possibly Egyptian origin, according to the expedition leader Professor S.A. Jordan.21 Numerous artefacts were found, including copper implements as hard as steel. The Smithsonian Institution in Washington DC has ensured these finds remain unknown to the public (that’s its job!) and no-one would have known about this discovery had it not been for two articles in a local newspaper, the Arizona Gazette, in April 1909. The researcher and author, John Rhodes, claims to have located this site and he connects it with Sipapuni, the underground world from where the Hopi Indians claim to have originated. According to their legends, the Hopi once lived within the Earth and were fed and clothed by ‘ant people’, possibly the extraterrestrials known as the Greys. The Hopi refer to their ancestors as their ‘snake brothers’ and their most sacred of underground rituals is the snake dance. The Dero are an interesting species of inner-terrestrial. Witnesses claim that they have "thought machines"deep underground that can influence the human mind. Many people have claimed to have had encounters with the Dero.
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 What if there are human beings like me and you living on planets just like Earth and believing they are the only intelligent life and that their "Earth" is th only Earth?That doesnt seem very unrealistic to me.
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