Topic: No Birth Control
stevex86's photo
Thu 10/23/08 11:58 AM
I have a slightly different view on transfering the prescription. I feel if they accpeted the prescription then they are in fact violating your rights by refusing to sell the medication or transferring the prescription to a store that will.

In my opinion, by accepting the prescription they agreed to fill it.

That woould change slightly if it was just sent to them and they never actualy accpetd it. I would say thats the fault of the docotr or patient that instructed the prescription to be sent to them.

Again, Im not going to step on someone elses rights, to keep you from having to call your doctor and have the prescription sent to a different pharmacy.

Nobody is going to die from lack of these items in the 30 -60 minutes it takes you to go to another pharmacy.

Jill298's photo
Thu 10/23/08 12:01 PM
You're right. An immediate death will not occur over this. What concerns me is that Pharmacists are being given the right to overrule my doctor. That just shouldn't happen.

Jill298's photo
Thu 10/23/08 12:06 PM
If I went to dinner at a vegatarian place and then realized I made a mistake and couldn't get my steak, I will happily find somewhere else to go. Or maybe I will even try their salad bar, who knows. I may grumble to myself about what a stupid mitake I made in going there... However, it would never occur to me going into a pharamcy that I couldn't get my prescription filled based on someone else's religious beliefs.

maraskia74's photo
Thu 10/23/08 12:06 PM
i feel the same way person opinions are just that

but your in a public setting in a medical field.



for instance when my grandmother got sick, she suffered from mini strokes, she ended up choking and getting major brain damage. my grandparents were together 59 years, she died 2 days before there 60 wedding anniversary. my grandfathers doctor told him he was being selfish and making my grandmother suffer because he didnt want her to die. the prick might have been right but i was the one holding an 87 year old man who was crying because his doctor stated a personal opinion not a medical one.

other people indefferences can hurt even if its something small like refusing bc.

Lynann's photo
Thu 10/23/08 12:18 PM
I filled scripts for about six years.

While you'd like to think the pharmacist and his or her staff are behaving strictly professionally I am here to say they are not. I saw some really incredible breaches of ethics while doing this work. Especially in the small town pharmacy I worked in.

I've seen pharmacists refuse to return the unfilled scripts to people they dislike...for whatever reason, discuss clients with other parties, refuse to fill scripts and most alarmingly I once saw a pharmacist I worked under call a young woman's mother to alert her that her daughter attempted filled a birth control script.

I don't buy the crap about having religious or ethical reservations at all. I see this as just another attempt by religious groups to force their ideas on others. If you are that offended by birth control then chose another field. A pharmacist is not a doctor, a religious leader or a judge.

Just like the Muslim clerks who do not wish to handle pork. If you cannot fulfill the job requirements chose a new field.

dae11x's photo
Thu 10/23/08 12:20 PM
Edited by dae11x on Thu 10/23/08 12:23 PM

You cant die from someone refusing to sell you condoms or the morning after pill either. They are a pharmacy not an emergency room.

I dont know many pharmacies that preform tubal litigation.

Are you guys advocating violating their religious and persoanl rights to keep you from having to walk across the street to a different pharmacy.

I love how we are real quick to jump up and defend our own rights and think nothing of violating someone elses in doing so.

Its just like freedom of speech. Nazi groups have freedom of speech to spew their racist crap. They dont have the freedom to do it in front of a synagogue. Your personal rights stop, the second they step on someone elses personal right.
What about a woman's right to privacy in her decisions about having children or not?

Winx's photo
Thu 10/23/08 12:44 PM

They arent taking away your right not to get pregnant. They are just exercising their right to conduct their business as they see fit.

If you were a vegetarian and had a restaurant that didnt serve meat, would that somehow infringe on my right to eat it?

Pingpong - how would that not fly in any other profession. Are you telling me if they were mechanics they couldnt choose what kind of cars to work on. If they were lawyers they couldnt choose what kinds of clients to take. If they were doctors they couldnt specialize with specific patiients.

Somehow it appears you guys seem to have birth control confused with emergency medicine.




But...they should be giving back your prescription if you want to take it elsewhere.

That is just wrong.

AutonomousW's photo
Thu 10/23/08 12:45 PM
from a completely non religious stand point, good for them they have the right to sell and not sell what ever they want.

dae11x's photo
Thu 10/23/08 01:20 PM

from a completely non religious stand point, good for them they have the right to sell and not sell what ever they want.
They are also health professionals and have a duty to those entrusted with their care. From the Code of Ethics for Pharmacists: "[a] pharmacist promises to help individuals achieve optimum benefit from their medications, to be committed to their welfare, and to maintain their trust."


AutonomousW's photo
Thu 10/23/08 01:37 PM
Edited by AutonomousW on Thu 10/23/08 01:38 PM


from a completely non religious stand point, good for them they have the right to sell and not sell what ever they want.
They are also health professionals and have a duty to those entrusted with their care. From the Code of Ethics for Pharmacists: "[a] pharmacist promises to help individuals achieve optimum benefit from their medications, to be committed to their welfare, and to maintain their trust."




In the end they are a store selling products, I don't see any thing morally wrong with selling a product your not OK with, that's like bashing a Walmart for not selling guns, when its their duty to give you low low prices on all your needs!

After all those woman can always go to a chain pharmacy if they really need birth control, if its an extra drive so what, its not like you gotta buy it every single day.

this is just people complaining about an inconvenience.

dae11x's photo
Thu 10/23/08 01:53 PM



from a completely non religious stand point, good for them they have the right to sell and not sell what ever they want.
They are also health professionals and have a duty to those entrusted with their care. From the Code of Ethics for Pharmacists: "[a] pharmacist promises to help individuals achieve optimum benefit from their medications, to be committed to their welfare, and to maintain their trust."




In the end they are a store selling products, I don't see any thing morally wrong with selling a product your not OK with, that's like bashing a Walmart for not selling guns, when its their duty to give you low low prices on all your needs!

After all those woman can always go to a chain pharmacy if they really need birth control, if its an extra drive so what, its not like you gotta buy it every single day.

this is just people complaining about an inconvenience.
An "inconvenience" is not how I see it. I see it as someone shoving their views down my throat and ignoring their ethical obligations as a health care professional.


Winx's photo
Thu 10/23/08 01:57 PM



from a completely non religious stand point, good for them they have the right to sell and not sell what ever they want.
They are also health professionals and have a duty to those entrusted with their care. From the Code of Ethics for Pharmacists: "[a] pharmacist promises to help individuals achieve optimum benefit from their medications, to be committed to their welfare, and to maintain their trust."




In the end they are a store selling products, I don't see any thing morally wrong with selling a product your not OK with, that's like bashing a Walmart for not selling guns, when its their duty to give you low low prices on all your needs!

After all those woman can always go to a chain pharmacy if they really need birth control, if its an extra drive so what, its not like you gotta buy it every single day.

this is just people complaining about an inconvenience.


Birth control pills contain hormones. Many people take them for health reasons that aren't related to birth control.

Jill298's photo
Thu 10/23/08 05:01 PM
A pharmacist has NO business telling me I can't get something regarding my health based on their religious beliefs. The healthcare field is one where if you can't accomdate all that need healthcare, then you pick a different field. You can't pick and choose. You'll only help the Catholics. This is why many women have sued, and WON the right for the pharmacies to carry birth control and give it to those who have a prescription for it. Who the hell does a pharmacist think they are to deny someone medicine pertaining to their health? It's not about having to go to another pharmacy. It's about them forcing their beliefs on us when they have no business doing so. It's about them sending anyone who isn't like minded to them, to another pharmacy. It's healthcare. They need to just do their job and give me what my DOCTOR told me to get. If they can't, then go work somewhere else.

Jill298's photo
Thu 10/23/08 05:02 PM
If I wanted to hear their beliefs I would show up at their church. They don't have the right to bring their religious policies on me and my body.

no photo
Thu 10/23/08 05:03 PM
like I said I think it's kinda dumb myself

but you have no right to force him to sell something he doesn't want to either

Jill298's photo
Thu 10/23/08 05:14 PM

like I said I think it's kinda dumb myself

but you have no right to force him to sell something he doesn't want to either
Then they should find a field that doesn't conflict with their religion. I understand what you're saying... and in ANY other circumstance, I would say more power to them. They shouldn't have to sell anything they don't want to. But not when it pertains to healthcare. They don't have a right to pick and choose who gets the medicine they need.

Winx's photo
Thu 10/23/08 05:24 PM
I found this ruling in IL regarding the morning after pill:

In Illinois, a Division I pharmacy – any pharmacy that engages in general community pharmacy practice and is open to the general public – has a legal duty to provide Plan B, or any such emergency contraceptive to any woman with a prescription, “without delay”.

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 10/23/08 05:26 PM

I can't believe I live in Va. sometimes. Believe me this state needs all the birth control it can get.scared scared scared scared slaphead
:laughing:So does Kentucky:laughing:

Winx's photo
Thu 10/23/08 05:27 PM

Oath of a Pharmacist

At this time, I vow to devote my professional life to the service of all humankind through the profession of pharmacy.

I will consider the welfare of humanity and relief of human suffering my primary concerns.

I will apply my knowledge, experience, and skills to the best of my ability to assure optimal drug therapy outcomes for the patients I serve.

I will keep abreast of developments and maintain professional competency in my profession of pharmacy. I will maintain the highest principles of moral, ethical and legal conduct.

I will embrace and advocate change in the profession of pharmacy that improves patient care.

I take these vows voluntarily with the full realization of the responsibility with which I am entrusted by the public.

Lynann's photo
Thu 10/23/08 05:27 PM
Wonder what Division I pharmacies are?

Perhaps hospital pharmacies?

You have a link Winx? The info might be in the definitions section of the law.

I am curious.