Topic: WE WANT MCCAIN
Winx's photo
Tue 10/21/08 06:49 PM

I want McCain too, here's part of the reason why
(copying post from another thread)


I agree about debit, but let's look at O's plan, FAR MORE debt and for far longer.....(do we need/want to pay for child day care??)

http://www.realdemocracy.com/no2party.htm

--copy--For instance, consider two sweeping new entitlements that Obama plans to offer for all Americans – universal (but, he insists, “voluntary”) federally-funded pre-school for all children starting at age three, and a low-cost, heavily subsidized federal health insurance plan for every low or middle income American who wants it.

A President Obama would no doubt promote such proposals in his first year in office and a compliant, heavily-Democratic Congress would approve them promptly—perhaps making the benefits even more generous. This means that before the next election, tens of millions (probably hundreds of millions) of American families will take advantage of “free” pre-kindergarten education (and day care), as well as cheap, subsidized (to the tune of at least $160 billion per year) health insurance. The chances of ever taking away such goodies are nil --- Presidents may come and go, but entitlements are forever. New government give-aways may accomplish nothing constructive but they’re all but impossible to eliminate once they’re up and running.
--snip--Obama’s new entitlements will similarly survive all attempts to eliminate them. If he becomes President we’ll be permanently stuck not just with federal pre-school and a subsidized health insurance guarantee (Obama described it as a “right” in the last debate), but with a $4,000 annual check (a so-called “refundable tax credit”) to all “non-wealthy” college students, a doubling of the Peace Corps, vast increases in AmeriCorps, new billions for “National Service,” a tripling of the foreign aid budget (a specific Obama promise) and much, much more. For those who believe it’s easy to reduce or erase such spending in future administrations, consider the example of Bill Clinton’s cherished “service program” AmeriCorps (which pays its “volunteers” close to $30,000 a year). Gingrich, George W. Bush and countless other conservatives recognize that this is a wasteful, crooked, outrageous effort to use taxpayer money to fund leftist activism, but even when the GOP controlled all levers of government they made no progress in slaughtering the monster.
Aside from the ongoing growth of government and the waste of public money, other changes brought about by President Obama will prove to be unalterable and devastating: in his first year, he will authorize gays serving openly in the military, and hasten the national imposition of homosexual marriage (he’s pledged to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act).

He will also get the chance to appoint at least two, and perhaps as many as four new justices to the Supreme Court of the United States. All legal observers expect Obama’s nominees to embrace an even more activist, leftist view of the Constitution and legal system than Clinton’s appointees, Breyer and Ginzburg. The damage from the remaking of the court could prove incalculable. There is also no chancesof impeaching any Supreme Court Justice (short of a credible murder or rape charge) even if Republicans re-take control in some future Congress. The GOP (led by Jerry Ford as House Minority Leader) tried to gain traction for impeachment efforts to counteract the wildly destructive excesses of the Warren Court but got absolutely nowhere and managed, mostly, to embarrass themselves.
(ARE U READING THIS??)

Finally, and perhaps most fatally, a President Obama will radically revamp our already broken immigration system and permanently remake the country, politically and demographically.

Most conservatives passionately opposed the sweeping immigration reform promoted in 2007 by President Bush, Senator McCain (and, it must be noted, a majority of Republican members of the US Senate) because it granted a complicated path to legalization for some of the millions of illegal immigrants who are already here. Those concerned citizens who celebrated “victory” last year with the collapse of the immigration compromise should prepare themselves for a much more liberal, forgiving reform under Obama (and his supportive Congress) that will make legalization far easier, and will include far more of the illegals as future voters and citizens

If the government hands out goodies to various constituencies, those segments of the population will continue to support the idea of enriching themselves with other people’s money.

That’s the biggest threat of an Obama presidency: the creation of vast new groups of dependent Americans who will comprise an unassailable new coalition that will enjoy iron control of our politics for a generation or more. If you start with newly legalized immigrant voters (with as many as 10 million new Democrats totally beholden to Obama and company) and then add the beneficiaries of government pre-school, the new nursery school teachers, the recipients and administrators of federal health insurance, federal college grants, the businesses who’ll enjoy the $150 billion in promised subsidies for “alternative energy,” the companies and employees of the vast increases in “infra-structure” spending (lots more bridges to nowhere), the non-tax payers who will suddenly receive a $1,000 per household check (under the guise of “refundable tax credit,” and many, many more. ---end copy---

OUR money, our children's debit, sure hope people see it for what it is - and isn't!! BB


The United States needs help in the education department. Our children need to able to compete with other countries.
If they don't have an excellent education, they have nothing.
The children of today won't be able to get anywhere without an excellent education.

You said this: "For instance, consider two sweeping new entitlements that Obama plans to offer for all Americans – universal (but, he insists, “voluntary”) federally-funded pre-school for all children starting at age three, and a low-cost, heavily subsidized federal health insurance plan for every low or middle income American who wants it."

A similar program for low income children has already been in place for many years. It's called Head Start.

kirk443's photo
Wed 10/22/08 07:56 AM

I want McCain too, here's part of the reason why
(copying post from another thread)


I agree about debit, but let's look at O's plan, FAR MORE debt and for far longer.....(do we need/want to pay for child day care??)

http://www.realdemocracy.com/no2party.htm

--copy--For instance, consider two sweeping new entitlements that Obama plans to offer for all Americans – universal (but, he insists, “voluntary”) federally-funded pre-school for all children starting at age three, and a low-cost, heavily subsidized federal health insurance plan for every low or middle income American who wants it.

A President Obama would no doubt promote such proposals in his first year in office and a compliant, heavily-Democratic Congress would approve them promptly—perhaps making the benefits even more generous. This means that before the next election, tens of millions (probably hundreds of millions) of American families will take advantage of “free” pre-kindergarten education (and day care), as well as cheap, subsidized (to the tune of at least $160 billion per year) health insurance. The chances of ever taking away such goodies are nil --- Presidents may come and go, but entitlements are forever. New government give-aways may accomplish nothing constructive but they’re all but impossible to eliminate once they’re up and running.
--snip--Obama’s new entitlements will similarly survive all attempts to eliminate them. If he becomes President we’ll be permanently stuck not just with federal pre-school and a subsidized health insurance guarantee (Obama described it as a “right” in the last debate), but with a $4,000 annual check (a so-called “refundable tax credit”) to all “non-wealthy” college students, a doubling of the Peace Corps, vast increases in AmeriCorps, new billions for “National Service,” a tripling of the foreign aid budget (a specific Obama promise) and much, much more. For those who believe it’s easy to reduce or erase such spending in future administrations, consider the example of Bill Clinton’s cherished “service program” AmeriCorps (which pays its “volunteers” close to $30,000 a year). Gingrich, George W. Bush and countless other conservatives recognize that this is a wasteful, crooked, outrageous effort to use taxpayer money to fund leftist activism, but even when the GOP controlled all levers of government they made no progress in slaughtering the monster.
Aside from the ongoing growth of government and the waste of public money, other changes brought about by President Obama will prove to be unalterable and devastating: in his first year, he will authorize gays serving openly in the military, and hasten the national imposition of homosexual marriage (he’s pledged to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act).

He will also get the chance to appoint at least two, and perhaps as many as four new justices to the Supreme Court of the United States. All legal observers expect Obama’s nominees to embrace an even more activist, leftist view of the Constitution and legal system than Clinton’s appointees, Breyer and Ginzburg. The damage from the remaking of the court could prove incalculable. There is also no chancesof impeaching any Supreme Court Justice (short of a credible murder or rape charge) even if Republicans re-take control in some future Congress. The GOP (led by Jerry Ford as House Minority Leader) tried to gain traction for impeachment efforts to counteract the wildly destructive excesses of the Warren Court but got absolutely nowhere and managed, mostly, to embarrass themselves.
(ARE U READING THIS??)

Finally, and perhaps most fatally, a President Obama will radically revamp our already broken immigration system and permanently remake the country, politically and demographically.

Most conservatives passionately opposed the sweeping immigration reform promoted in 2007 by President Bush, Senator McCain (and, it must be noted, a majority of Republican members of the US Senate) because it granted a complicated path to legalization for some of the millions of illegal immigrants who are already here. Those concerned citizens who celebrated “victory” last year with the collapse of the immigration compromise should prepare themselves for a much more liberal, forgiving reform under Obama (and his supportive Congress) that will make legalization far easier, and will include far more of the illegals as future voters and citizens

If the government hands out goodies to various constituencies, those segments of the population will continue to support the idea of enriching themselves with other people’s money.

That’s the biggest threat of an Obama presidency: the creation of vast new groups of dependent Americans who will comprise an unassailable new coalition that will enjoy iron control of our politics for a generation or more. If you start with newly legalized immigrant voters (with as many as 10 million new Democrats totally beholden to Obama and company) and then add the beneficiaries of government pre-school, the new nursery school teachers, the recipients and administrators of federal health insurance, federal college grants, the businesses who’ll enjoy the $150 billion in promised subsidies for “alternative energy,” the companies and employees of the vast increases in “infra-structure” spending (lots more bridges to nowhere), the non-tax payers who will suddenly receive a $1,000 per household check (under the guise of “refundable tax credit,” and many, many more. ---end copy---

OUR money, our children's debit, sure hope people see it for what it is - and isn't!! BB
Thanks for shedding some light into this!
You are a wise person!
Tod

Winx's photo
Wed 10/22/08 07:59 AM
Edited by Winx on Wed 10/22/08 08:00 AM
Repeat for Kirk:

Ohwidow said this: "For instance, consider two sweeping new entitlements that Obama plans to offer for all Americans – universal (but, he insists, “voluntary”) federally-funded pre-school for all children starting at age three, and a low-cost, heavily subsidized federal health insurance plan for every low or middle income American who wants it."



Winx said, "A similar program for low income children has already been in place for many years. It's called Head Start."




no photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:02 AM
by grade three there is no statistical difference in head start students vs. non- head start students....it is subsidized day care... and yes ...i took advantage of it....

kirk443's photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:08 AM
watching this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueI-vlcaqGY


makes me think of one thing, "Obama Bin Laden"

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:09 AM

by grade three there is no statistical difference in head start students vs. non- head start students....it is subsidized day care... and yes ...i took advantage of it....

Given the current lack of actual education in some of our schools...

Home school. At least then you won't have to worry that your child will end up at a same sex marriage as part of a 'field trip'. Nor will you have to worry about your child learning politics from anyone other than you, faith from anyone other than you, or morals from anyone other than you.

Our education system is way broke... Government can't even run itself... How then is it supposed to run, regulate, or even administrate an education system.

no photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:14 AM


by grade three there is no statistical difference in head start students vs. non- head start students....it is subsidized day care... and yes ...i took advantage of it....

Given the current lack of actual education in some of our schools...

Home school. At least then you won't have to worry that your child will end up at a same sex marriage as part of a 'field trip'. Nor will you have to worry about your child learning politics from anyone other than you, faith from anyone other than you, or morals from anyone other than you.

Our education system is way broke... Government can't even run itself... How then is it supposed to run, regulate, or even administrate an education system.
Those kids you quote as showing up at a same sex marriage..There is what we call parental permission which must be signed before such a trip..If their parents didnt have a problem with it why should you.

Winx's photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:17 AM

by grade three there is no statistical difference in head start students vs. non- head start students....it is subsidized day care... and yes ...i took advantage of it....


My mom worked at the company that provided Head Start for our city. I have studied it in school.

It does help. These same children would have gone to kindergarten unprepared. Vocabulary skills, socialization skills, hand-eye coordination - every aspect was improved with Head Start. They also had to learn how to follow directions from a teacher.

Many people pay for their child to go to pre-school. I did it for my child. Now imagine what it would be like for the low-income children that didn't go to pre-school to not be able to compete with the children that did. Not good.

Winx's photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:20 AM

watching this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueI-vlcaqGY


makes me think of one thing, "Obama Bin Laden"


It makes me think of racist people with an agenda.:wink:

Winx's photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:23 AM
Edited by Winx on Wed 10/22/08 09:06 AM


by grade three there is no statistical difference in head start students vs. non- head start students....it is subsidized day care... and yes ...i took advantage of it....

Given the current lack of actual education in some of our schools...

Home school. At least then you won't have to worry that your child will end up at a same sex marriage as part of a 'field trip'. Nor will you have to worry about your child learning politics from anyone other than you, faith from anyone other than you, or morals from anyone other than you.

Our education system is way broke... Government can't even run itself... How then is it supposed to run, regulate, or even administrate an education system.


Nevermind. I made an error.

no photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:24 AM
i guess you didn't read my post???? by grade 3.. no statistical advantage...ohwell ohwell ohwell


adventure...imagine the greatest healthcare system in the world....in the same hands.....ohwell ohwell



by grade three there is no statistical difference in head start students vs. non- head start students....it is subsidized day care... and yes ...i took advantage of it....


My mom worked at the company that provided Head Start for our city. I have studied it in school.

It does help. These same children would have gone to kindergarten unprepared. Vocabulary skills, socialization skills, hand-eye coordination - every aspect was improved with Head Start. They also had to learn how to follow directions from a teacher.

Many people pay for their child to go to pre-school. I did it for my child. Now imagine what it would be like for the low-income children that didn't go to pre-school to not be able to compete with the children that did. Not good.

Winx's photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:24 AM



by grade three there is no statistical difference in head start students vs. non- head start students....it is subsidized day care... and yes ...i took advantage of it....

Given the current lack of actual education in some of our schools...

Home school. At least then you won't have to worry that your child will end up at a same sex marriage as part of a 'field trip'. Nor will you have to worry about your child learning politics from anyone other than you, faith from anyone other than you, or morals from anyone other than you.

Our education system is way broke... Government can't even run itself... How then is it supposed to run, regulate, or even administrate an education system.
Those kids you quote as showing up at a same sex marriage..There is what we call parental permission which must be signed before such a trip..If their parents didnt have a problem with it why should you.


I wouldn't have a problem with it. My child grew up knowing that the children down the street had two moms.

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:25 AM



by grade three there is no statistical difference in head start students vs. non- head start students....it is subsidized day care... and yes ...i took advantage of it....

Given the current lack of actual education in some of our schools...

Home school. At least then you won't have to worry that your child will end up at a same sex marriage as part of a 'field trip'. Nor will you have to worry about your child learning politics from anyone other than you, faith from anyone other than you, or morals from anyone other than you.

Our education system is way broke... Government can't even run itself... How then is it supposed to run, regulate, or even administrate an education system.
Those kids you quote as showing up at a same sex marriage..There is what we call parental permission which must be signed before such a trip..If their parents didnt have a problem with it why should you.

Can't teach morals in the class room!
Can't teach anything that even mentions god or religion in the classroom!

Yet you CAN teach children who have not yet established their own sense of identity anti-morals. Whats up with that...

I would be curious as to what was actually put on the permission slip as an explanation... I once got a permission slip for my daughter to attend a sex ed class. Being curious I checked the agenda with the school (cause the slip lacked SPECIFIC data) she would have been attending a film on prostitution in a foreign country which was quite graphic.

She did not go... But the school punished her by makeing her sit in the office the entire time the other children were gone.

After the trip several parents complained (they should have checked as I did)

Winx's photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:27 AM




by grade three there is no statistical difference in head start students vs. non- head start students....it is subsidized day care... and yes ...i took advantage of it....

Given the current lack of actual education in some of our schools...

Home school. At least then you won't have to worry that your child will end up at a same sex marriage as part of a 'field trip'. Nor will you have to worry about your child learning politics from anyone other than you, faith from anyone other than you, or morals from anyone other than you.

Our education system is way broke... Government can't even run itself... How then is it supposed to run, regulate, or even administrate an education system.
Those kids you quote as showing up at a same sex marriage..There is what we call parental permission which must be signed before such a trip..If their parents didnt have a problem with it why should you.

Can't teach morals in the class room!
Can't teach anything that even mentions god or religion in the classroom!

Yet you CAN teach children who have not yet established their own sense of identity anti-morals. Whats up with that...

I would be curious as to what was actually put on the permission slip as an explanation... I once got a permission slip for my daughter to attend a sex ed class. Being curious I checked the agenda with the school (cause the slip lacked SPECIFIC data) she would have been attending a film on prostitution in a foreign country which was quite graphic.

She did not go... But the school punished her by makeing her sit in the office the entire time the other children were gone.

After the trip several parents complained (they should have checked as I did)


Schools also allow the parents to attend the functions with the children.

That's a shame that your daughter's school did something stupid like that. I have not heard anything like that happening in my area.

no photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:29 AM

Obama's ahead in the polls.drinker drinker


Black candidates always poll higher, because white Americans don't want to appear racist.

Democrats always poll higher, because Republicans have better things to do than to take polls.

no photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:32 AM




by grade three there is no statistical difference in head start students vs. non- head start students....it is subsidized day care... and yes ...i took advantage of it....

Given the current lack of actual education in some of our schools...

Home school. At least then you won't have to worry that your child will end up at a same sex marriage as part of a 'field trip'. Nor will you have to worry about your child learning politics from anyone other than you, faith from anyone other than you, or morals from anyone other than you.

Our education system is way broke... Government can't even run itself... How then is it supposed to run, regulate, or even administrate an education system.
Those kids you quote as showing up at a same sex marriage..There is what we call parental permission which must be signed before such a trip..If their parents didnt have a problem with it why should you.

Can't teach morals in the class room!
Can't teach anything that even mentions god or religion in the classroom!

Yet you CAN teach children who have not yet established their own sense of identity anti-morals. Whats up with that...

I would be curious as to what was actually put on the permission slip as an explanation... I once got a permission slip for my daughter to attend a sex ed class. Being curious I checked the agenda with the school (cause the slip lacked SPECIFIC data) she would have been attending a film on prostitution in a foreign country which was quite graphic.

She did not go... But the school punished her by makeing her sit in the office the entire time the other children were gone.

After the trip several parents complained (they should have checked as I did)
You know it could be the parents just didnt pay attention and complained later..Maybe the kids knew how there parents would feel and pulled a fast one..There are to amny unknowns to really say anything about it..so without that knowledge you cnat blame the school, the parents or the children..

Winx's photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:32 AM


Obama's ahead in the polls.drinker drinker


Black candidates always poll higher, because white Americans don't want to appear racist.

Democrats always poll higher, because Republicans have better things to do than to take polls.


I'm white, my friends and family are right. It's not about not wanting to appear racist.laugh

If he was white and had the same policies, I would still be voting for him.

no photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:33 AM



Obama's ahead in the polls.drinker drinker


Black candidates always poll higher, because white Americans don't want to appear racist.

Democrats always poll higher, because Republicans have better things to do than to take polls.


I'm white, my friends and family are right. It's not about not wanting to appear racist.laugh

If he was white and had the same policies, I would still be voting for him.


Quick...without using google...what are three of his policies?

Lynann's photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:37 AM
Teach your children well.

If you do why would you fear them seeing or hearing about people who are different? After all, if your way is right the kids will embrace it?


AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 10/22/08 08:39 AM



by grade three there is no statistical difference in head start students vs. non- head start students....it is subsidized day care... and yes ...i took advantage of it....

Given the current lack of actual education in some of our schools...

Home school. At least then you won't have to worry that your child will end up at a same sex marriage as part of a 'field trip'. Nor will you have to worry about your child learning politics from anyone other than you, faith from anyone other than you, or morals from anyone other than you.

Our education system is way broke... Government can't even run itself... How then is it supposed to run, regulate, or even administrate an education system.


Wow!! I can't believe that you said that if someone is homeschooled that they will not be gay. People don't learn to be gay. slaphead


Ge how did you get that from my comments... One track eyes...

Our education system is broke... Home schooled childrent get an actual education Math, science, reading, writing, and important stuff... my point on the above is that schools allow many things to be included in what they allow than the education that they are supposed to be the steward for. GET OFF THE GAY IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

I care not what you are, live like or do with yourself... OR THE CHOICES YOU MAKE PERSONALLY.

I care that...
1. Our educations system is not working.
2. Our Government is not working.
3. Yet we expect that the GOVERNMENT will fix the education system.

EEEEEK.... History will look back at this generation and wonder where we all were when it came time to step up.

Ya can't even mention a REAL problem without someone calling you a racist, or implying that you have a much narrower view than you do.

some of you are so concerned with unimportant stuff such as gay marriage, color of skin, rights of turtles, seals, crawdads, germs, ameboes, and possibley even the right of dirt to exist that you are missing the REAL issues.