>> hate-mongering divisional
>> just plain racist

Come on, have seen others calling people stupid, etc, that IS NOT what I mean, it is the really hurtful I am talking of. If you (IMO) call someone a racist, etc, is is just as low down as
using the n word.

I know I haven't been on here long, and I enjoy the 'debate' but only by being respectful. I wouldn't lower myself to calling someone a name.
You all are here on this site to find dates??
How do you think it looks to a prospective one whey they see you being so mean?? (not speaking to anyone in particular, but the negative, insulting people, when politics isn't about hate or names, it is about a difference of opinion. Period.)Peace, BB


http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20081016/pl_bloomberg/awdhvdjndnts_1

to clear up Joe the plumber's stand/ and what O's
tax plan will do to the average self employed....copy---]

In Wurzelbacher's case, the lien indicated that the notice was sent to a previous address in Toledo.

Under Obama's proposal, Wurzelbacher would face about $900 more in taxes if he netted $280,000 of income from his new business, said Gerald Prante, a senior economist at the Tax Foundation, a Washington research group that is examining both candidates' plans. ``His average tax burden, the final bill he pays to the IRS isn't going to go up much if he's just making $280,000 a year,'' Prante said. He would face higher marginal tax costs to expand the business beyond that, he said.
---- end copy--- yeah, he owes past taxes - guess that's why he's so concerned..... and guess what?
When the costs of the business' goes up, so does the cost of the service or product. Not a free ride, just passed onto you and perhaps drive some business out of biz as well. NOT a good idea.
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Joe the plumber doesnt even have a plumbers license.He makes less than $250,000 a year and as you pointed out, he owes back taxes.

First YOU have never heard me say anything like that at all..I called you out on your M Obama video, by the way hows that doing, I called you out on Obamas Qualifications, seems McCain dosnt have a problem..As far as taxes it dosnt matter who we put in there we will pay more..McCains healthcare plan and statements HE has made are a joke.Hes out of touch.Saying you can purchase a policy for $5800..Thats a joke and you know it.. He wont raise taxes just tax more things. . I love to learn but I want facts not hlaf truths and please youtube...

Here I will do the same....Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.
Is it true, I dont know but hey I will post it as such

isn't this an interesting turn of events???

Indeed

why didn't they check this out before making such a BIG deal about this guy?

Just my opinion, it was just for the media. Joe the Plumber, Joe Six Pack, lipstic wearing pitbulls, its all for advertising. Purpose is solely to grab a consumers/voters attention and it works sad to say.

Someone needs to check it out..I just reposted one of Lyana topics under Joe the Plant..I respect her but hey it needs check out!

that is sad
people should do their homework on the issues and candidates and then make up their minds who they want to vote for

I agree wholeheartedly facts and issues should be the main focus.

I agree I posted it to prove a popint to someone..Its Lyanna post under Joe the Plant..Is it true I dont know like I said when I posted it..

temp

Hey Fran

Because to a major extent, the right wingers deal in generalities. As if the typical American is dumb.This Joe SixPack/Joe the Plumber stuff is geared towards 20 to 40 year old "crackerjacks" like me. But I got news for them, it aint workin.

yay Mirror!!!

Cause you gots brains.

templter - as I said I wasn't speaking of anyone
in-particular.(and didn't see you ever do the hateful names)
smears --copy-- Speaking at a lively rally in Miami, McCain said Joe Wurzelbacher, of Holland, Ohio, was being punished for asking Obama a legitimate question.

"Last weekend, Sen. Obama showed up in Joe's driveway to ask for his vote, and you know what Joe did? He asked Senator Obama a tough question. I'm glad he did; I think Senator Obama could use a few more tough questions," McCain said.

"He wasn't recruited or prompted by our campaign. He just asked a question. And Americans ought to be able to ask Senator Obama tough questions without being smeared and targeted with political attacks," he said.

Does any of this make Joe the Plumber a bad guy? Of course not.

NOT SO FAST
There are a lot of Robert M. Wurzelbachers, living in at least three states. You’re going out on a big limb by assuming that the GOP donor in Cincinnati is the father of the Keating 5 son-in-law and that either is closely related to Joe the Plumber.---

But You really are missing the point. Obama SAID
to Joe, "spread the wealth around." Bottom line, that is the story.

BHO equals 1) bigger government 2) less individual liberty 3) higher taxes 4) judges who rule based on their feelings instead of the written law 5) unrestricted abortion including partial-birth abortion 6)advancement of same-sex sodomy legitimization 7) more restrictive gun control laws surrender in Iraq 9) the weakening of America’s military.

That is what BHO promises. If you want those 9 results I listed above, Barack Obama, Jr. is your man. Because that is his agenda.

AND HIS ads are lies, negative and slamming the US twice as often as any ad McCain runs, because O has documented funds into his contributions from Overseas, in large amounts.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_finance_records/2008/10/10/139411.html

--copy--

N.Y. Times Confirms Suspicious Obama Donations

Friday, October 10, 2008 5:28 PM

By: Jim Meyers Article Font Size



The New York Times has once again published an article citing a Newsmax story that first raised questions about Barack Obama’s fundraising.



[Read “Obama Campaign Runs Afoul of Finance Rules” — Go Here Now].


In a Friday story headlined “Fictitious Donors Found in Obama Finance Records,” The Times disclosed that an analysis of campaign finance records “this week found nearly 3,000 donations to Mr. Obama … from more than a dozen people with apparently fictitious donor information.”

One contributor used the name “Jgti Jfggjjfgi” and listed an address of “thjtrj” in “gjtjtjtjtjtjr, AP.”

Noting that the Republican National Committee (RNC) has filed a complaint against the Obama campaign questioning the legitimacy of the more than $220 million in small donations to Obama’s campaign, The Times reported:

“The complaint followed an article on the conservative Web site Newsmax.com that highlighted thousands of dollars in contributions, made in increments of $25 dating back to March, from ‘Good Will’ in Austin, Tex., who listed his employer as ‘Loving’ and his occupation as ‘You,’ as well as thousands of small contributions that started last November from a ‘Doodad Pro’ in Nunda, N.Y., with the same employer and occupation.”

In a Sept. 29 report, Newsmax correspondent Kenneth R. Timmerman first raised questions about Obama’s fund-raising, disclosing that more than half of the money raised by Obama “has come from small donors whose names the Obama campaign won’t disclose.”

--end-- NOW that's troubling stuff!!
That's where the media ought to be looking, instead Times tries to downplay it. Yea, right, tell me the media isn't slanted, Gasp! BB

Obama is not going to be taking away anyone's liberty.

The higher taxes are for people making over $250,000 a year.
The increase will be 3% and the $250,000 will not see that increase, the amount over $250,000 will. That will be about 5% of the population.

I have seen nothing about the advancement of same-sex sodomy.
It sounds unlikely to me.

I have heard him say that he is not going to touch the gun control laws.

Btw, I heard this on NPR news today. The United Nations said that we are in Iraq illegally and we are to be out of there by some date in December.

Bush has drawn up a treaty for Iraq that says that we will be withdrawing troupes a little bit at time and in a couple years, we will be gone - unless Iraq asks us to stay there.