You misinterpreted what I said. I did not say Christianity is the only way. I said there can only be one "right" way. If it is Buddhism, Satanism, Hindu, whatever...there can only be one that is true. I am not trying to make a one sided statement, I am just saying you have to believe either this or that, not all of the above.

Adamal29:


Why?

What if each hold fragments of the whole truth?

Hmm. Good save. This is the statement in particular that I was referring to.

"Christianity is the only religion that offers that."

I would vehemently disagree.

And why do you feel only ONE can be RIGHT and the rest are crapola? I find that stance reminiscent of the Christian viewpoint and the basis for a lot of hatred, ill will, death and mayhem in the world today. So once again, I beg to differ.

Also WHY must I feel compelled to believe "this or that"? I am not afraid of anything and especially not death. I need no security blankets in my life. Do Atheists and Agnostics also need to hurry up and pick an choose a faith?

Ok, listen. I don't care what people believe in, they can believe in what they want to or not at all. As far as my comment on Christianity, I was mainly trying to say what it has to offer. Others religions could be "self love" or love of nature or no love, but a big reward in the end and many others. I am not a my way or the highway type of guy, you got me all wrong. And as far as my other point, (as you can tell I am not a theologian by any means) I basically am saying this:
Lets say one person says there is a god, and the other says there is not. They can't both be right, it wouldn't work.

This is true....and be careful yes they are twicky lil wicans here, or whatever they are.....I think mostly they don't know....jmo.

Well you dont need to change your entire philosophy to simply please me. All I was asking was that you explain some of these points you were attempting to make and I simply disagreed. I would say that Christianity has nothing to offer me in the way of love, compassion, or mercy. I am basing this on the scripture, the components of the theology and the behaviors of its current followers. Whether or not other religions or spirituality can in fact offer a true sense of love, peace and harmony is totally subjective. That is my point.

Tell me why the person who claims there is no god/goddess and the other who claims there is a god/goddess cant both be right. Please support this position with evidence. Thank you.

Are you Wiccan? Just let me know what you believe in, and maybe I can see where your coming from. Or...do you just like to argue anything that even mentions Christianity? Some people are like that too, shoot even I do that and I tend to think of myself as Christian.

No, I am not a practicing Wiccan. I dont think that is relevant anyway to this conversation. You should still be able to debate these issues brought forth whether or not you can successfully compartmentalize me into one or another category as it relates to my personal spirituality. I only guessed that you were in fact Christian because you selected "Christian/Other" on your profile.

I am not arguing. I am asking you to clearly state your position, not waffle back and forth unsteadily.

If you have studied various religious philosophies and can't seem to fit or agree with any of them or parts of them, then you can look into yourself for what you know is true to you and go from there. Somethings should strike you as undeniably true without relying on faith in something you don't know to be true. I find that laws of nature or physics or whatever you want to call them stand true, even if you don't want them to or don't find any significance in them. If you don't believe in them will they change or go away? I don't think so. Where did they come from? Why is the world revolving around them. Can you change them without using their own basic natures to do so? Why are they in control of themselves without your help? Do you need blind faith to believe in them? Do I have only questions and no answers?

pretty much argue...oh and say my beliefs are myths.....God, Christ and the Bible....yet never make it clear what they believe or what they believe is so all over the place....maybe one day we will decypher it.

And you do this with 100% certainty and she bashes it.....or says we are brainwashed or satan has lil red horns....it's pathetic really because believe as you wish...I have always said that and let us do the same....then there would be no arguments....but no can't do it....because why? I would say because your lost and don't know really what it is you believe. And because I do without a doubt it bothers you and others...oh well get over it.

See that is the point to me what I believe is not a debatable issue....you guys make it that....and you will never change me...and the only reason I even get into it...is for those truly seeking to have another way of looking at this...because if they came in and only saw yours...they would be part wiccan, part panthiest and so major lost......that scares me......put it out what you truly believe and we will do the same.....and then those searching can decide or keep searching....

I would need to bust out some good quotes by some real "thinkers" which I will admit I am not. There are certain beliefs I have, but for me to put them eloquently into words is another story. I bet if I was rambling on about the moon phase, and fertility rites or something you wouldn't be attacking my opinion regardless of whether I was right or wrong, simply because it doesn't go along with the christian belief system, and whatever that may be that goes against the grain, you like it. Wow that was a run-on sentence!

I think that if all three of us have found our own way of belief in whatever we need to believe in then I don't see what the problem is. Even if I know mine is right for me I don't care or expect it to be right for you. I will be glad for you if you can find what you need to find. Too bad not everyone can do that. My philosophy doesn't need you to believe in it in order for it to work for me.

Why do you require quotes? Can you not justify your own position using your own words? Why do I care one way or another about "fertility rites and moon phases"? Even if I were Wiccan or Pagan, how does that address the initial question posed? "Whether or not Christianity is the ONLY religious path where one can find true love, harmony and contentment." I am asking you to explain this assertion. Are you capable of doing this without the utilization of quotes?

Krimsa, you don't even have a position! All I see you do is attack others.
Ok, let me try. 1)Supposedly you have a god that personally cares about you.

2) Ability to be saved = hope
3) Don't have to worry about reincarnation,no afterlife or whatever else.
4)Self worth
5)Explanation of where evil is from.
6)Possibly an explanation of why the world is turning to #hit.
7)Haven't looked at every religion out there, but its the only one I have seen that is based on loving and helping others.
8)The greatest country in the world was founded on this faith.

If I were to say I am a hard-core/take the bible literally person I would be lying. Are their contradictions? Hell yea, but this stuff has been passed down for thousands of years, so I have to give it the benefit of the doubt. It works for me.

I'll let you have the last word on this and then maybe I will argue with you in another forum.

I'm not clear on what you mean here. You are stating that you think Christianity is the only religion that offers "real love?" Why would you think that and how is that not cutting down other religions?



Have you watched the movie Akasha, Queen of the damned? Her famous quote is:

"Humans! They believe in nothing! We will give them something to believe in again! "



How about: none of them are right. That makes more sense. (Reality is nothing like you think)



Me too.

My position is and has been that Christianity is not the ONLY spiritual path in order that one find true love and contentment. That is what it has been since we very first began debating this issue. I have never once attacked you. Please point out where I did. I asked you to explain why you feel that Christianity is the one true and correct religion. If your definition of "attack" is polite disagreement, then I guess its another point that we can not see eye to eye on.

1. How do you know that your god personally cares about you or do you just imagine he does?

2. What do you require saving from? The boogey man? The IRS?

3. What if someone found the idea of reincarnation appealing? What if they find it more appealing than the prospect of being hurled out of heaven and rejected by some angry deity who resides up in the clouds?

4. You need "god" to define and establish your self worth?

5. So in order for you to feel comforted and assured that there is in fact a reason that men and women sometimes commit "evil" or bad acts, you need to blame it all on some form of personified evil as defined by scripture? What about taking responsibility for ones own actions?

6. Maybe the world is turning to shi- in part based on Christianity and its unyielding insistence on intolerance.

7. If you have not looked around at any other religions or spiritual paths, then how can you determine that no other faith is based on "helping others and loving".

8. In fact your definition of the "greatest country in the world" was NOT founded nor based on Christianity. A quote for you since you like quotes so much.

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"

John Adams-Second President of the United States in a letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816


But as you say, because its old, you will just go along with it.

Christianity is the only religion that I'm aware of that claims to be the "only way".

It begins in the Old Testament with the 10 Commandments. "Thou shalt have no other God's before me!"

No other religion I know of has a jealous Godhead who demands that only it be worshipped.

Later in the New Testament it is claimed that this same God sent his only begotten Son to die for the sins of man and that only those who accept him will be 'saved'.

Again, I don't know of any other religion that makes any claim even along similar lines.

Unless of course, you're going to try to claim that various other Mediterranean religions are actually different from Christianity. Like Judaism and Islam. But in truth they are the very same religion.

These religions aren't all that much different from the ancient Greek Religions actually.

Most pantheistic religions don't even have a God who needs to be 'worshipped'. So they most certainly aren't claiming to be the 'only way'.

Also, the very term "The Only Way" is itself a Christian term. It suggests that there are other places one could go other than back to God.

With pantheisic religions all ways lead to God (even Christiainty), because it truly doesn't even matter what you believe.

Pantheistic religions couldn't care less what you believe. What you believe isn't important. That isn't going to change their truths.

Only the Mediterranean religions are concerned with what people believe. That's because those religions were created by men who were attempting to control what the people THINK!

And unfortunately they succeeded all too well. They would have a field day laughing, I'm sure, if they had a clue how far into their future their brainwashing techniques have affected people.

People today who should know better are still arguing in support of those ancient brainwashing religions!

Any what are their arguments based on?

PURE FAITH!

Evidently they want to believe that they have failed their creator. They must be suffering from a form of masochism is all I can figure.

Or pure fear.

Who would want to believe, on faith, that they have failed their creator?

That's ludicious!