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Topic: LIB Hackers lack privacy for Palin
Quikstepper's photo
Wed 09/17/08 05:47 PM
So much for privacy rights...OH! I forgot! It's libs only and all others need not apply. I've been saying it...the only ones we have top worry about invading on our rights are LIBS! Palin has every right to privacy...beside which the firing of that commissioner was not over the trooper in question but the commissioner's blantant attempts to undermine her authority. Plain & simple. He was fired for being insubordinate. the e-mails prove it & also prove this is one more LIB witchunt at taxpayer expense.


Palin’s E-Mail Account Hacked, Published on Web Site

In the latest of a series of invasions into Sarah Palin’s personal life, hackers have broken into the Republican vice presidential candidate’s private e-mail account, and a widely read Web site has published screen grabs from it.

An article Wednesday in Gawker.com posts family photos and snapshots of e-mail exchanges the Alaska governor had with colleagues. Gawker says the-email account has since been shut down, but it will leave the images up on its site for all to see.

“Here are the screenshots of the emails saved before the account went dark, along with the contact list. It’s newsworthy and we will not be taking it down!” the site declares.

Rick Davis, campaign manager for John McCain, released a statement calling the publication a “shocking invasion of the governor’s privacy and a violation of law.”

“The matter has been turned over to the appropriate authorities and we hope that anyone in possession of these e-mails will destroy them. We will have no further comment,” Davis said.

The article boasts about the lengths to which the reporter went to verify the account, saying he or she even called a phone number listed for Palin’s teenage daughter, Bristol, which apparently went to her voicemail. The site also listed dozens of contact e-mails from the account.

Both WIRED and Gawker reported that members claiming to be with a group known as Anonymous took credit for hacking into Palin’s account. Screen grabs were published on other Web sites and then deleted, Gawker reported.

They reportedly came from a Yahoo e-mail account Palin uses — one separate from another private account that was publicized in The Washington Post last week.

Gawker complained that Palin has since “deleted” the account, and suggested she was trying to “destroy evidence.”

Palin has faced scrutiny for using her private account to do government business. The Washington Post reported last week that a local Republican activist is trying to get Palin to release more than 1,100 e-mails she withheld from a public records request. The appeal reportedly questions why Palin and her aides shift between public and private e-mail accounts.

A spokeswoman in the governor’s office in Alaska declined to comment Wednesday, referring questions from FOXNews.com to the McCain-Palin campaign.

“Primarily we’re referring people to the campaign because honestly people wouldn’t be asking these questions if she wasn’t a candidate for [vice president],” spokeswoman Kate Morgan said.

The Palin family was subjected to intense scrutiny after she was selected as John McCain’s running mate on Aug. 29. Reporters descended on her home town of Wasilla, Alaska, as the media focused on her unwed teenage daughter’s pregnancy.


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/17/palins-e-mail-account-hacked-published-on-web-site/

t22learner's photo
Wed 09/17/08 05:51 PM
It's OK when the White House does it to us though, right?

You of course blame "LIBS." It was some hacker group who probably don't vote.

warmachine's photo
Wed 09/17/08 05:52 PM
Ummm, I would reckon, just my opinion, that the minute she started avoiding doing official state business on her publicly funded state email and started doing states business through her personal email, that the private email of Mrs.Palin gets to be public.

Now is that law, no, but like I said thats just my opinion.

I do not advocate anyone usurping someone elses right to privacy, thats a right given to us by the Creator and insured to us by the Constitution.


Oh, by the way, both sides are guilty of invasion of privacy, Bush wanted to make Nixons spying broader in scope and "legal", Congress caved. Both sides are complicit.

Lynann's photo
Wed 09/17/08 05:54 PM
haha

Gosh, how many times have I seen people on this site respond to concerns about privacy with the line, "if you don't have anything to hide why should you worry?"

Funny how those same people are now up in arms about what they see as a violation of privacy.

The irony is rich here!

no photo
Wed 09/17/08 05:56 PM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 09/17/08 05:57 PM

Ummm, I would reckon, just my opinion, that the minute she started avoiding doing official state business on her publicly funded state email and started doing states business through her personal email, that the private email of Mrs.Palin gets to be public.

Now is that law, no, but like I said thats just my opinion.

I do not advocate anyone usurping someone elses right to privacy, thats a right given to us by the Creator and insured to us by the Constitution.


Oh, by the way, both sides are guilty of invasion of privacy, Bush wanted to make Nixons spying broader in scope and "legal", Congress caved. Both sides are complicit.
I agree...But QS automatically blaming anyone is wrong..How does she not know it if its not a REP step on to many times by his constituents?

t22learner's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:01 PM

QS automatically blaming anyone is wrong..

Post first. Think never.

ShadowSeeker's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:04 PM
Hmm, I'm not sure if this really has as much to do with privacy as it does with security. There's really nothing out there that says we are granted the right to privacy of email or other electronically transferred material. In fact there are several instances where ISPs must turn over that information. I know it's outlined U.S.C Chapter 121 about stored information which this would relate to. I'm not sure, but it probably says something about it in the Patriot Act.

The issue here is Internet security and I'm sorry, you really can't blame LIBS for ineffectual security. Hmm, do I really want a VP who can't even protect her own information? I kid... but it's a little sickening to hear how this is some LIB conspiracy and they're going to take all my privacy away....

Funny, sounds a lot like the Patriot Act to me. Oh yeah, that's to protect me, right?

This actually protects me too. Ends justify the means? Hardly, but at least let's get the words straight.


warmachine's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:06 PM


Ummm, I would reckon, just my opinion, that the minute she started avoiding doing official state business on her publicly funded state email and started doing states business through her personal email, that the private email of Mrs.Palin gets to be public.

Now is that law, no, but like I said thats just my opinion.

I do not advocate anyone usurping someone elses right to privacy, thats a right given to us by the Creator and insured to us by the Constitution.


Oh, by the way, both sides are guilty of invasion of privacy, Bush wanted to make Nixons spying broader in scope and "legal", Congress caved. Both sides are complicit.
I agree...But QS automatically blaming anyone is wrong..How does she not know it if its not a REP step on to many times by his constituents?


You bring up a good point here. She has a history of stabbing her own people, oops, I mean working against her party when the mood suits her.

Quikstepper's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:08 PM
Edited by Quikstepper on Wed 09/17/08 06:12 PM

Hmm, I'm not sure if this really has as much to do with privacy as it does with security. There's really nothing out there that says we are granted the right to privacy of email or other electronically transferred material. In fact there are several instances where ISPs must turn over that information. I know it's outlined U.S.C Chapter 121 about stored information which this would relate to. I'm not sure, but it probably says something about it in the Patriot Act.

The issue here is Internet security and I'm sorry, you really can't blame LIBS for ineffectual security. Hmm, do I really want a VP who can't even protect her own information? I kid... but it's a little sickening to hear how this is some LIB conspiracy and they're going to take all my privacy away....

Funny, sounds a lot like the Patriot Act to me. Oh yeah, that's to protect me, right?


This actually protects me too. Ends justify the means? Hardly, but at least let's get the words straight.




Yes well the only ones who would be irresponsible & arrogant enough to use it on their fellow Americans would be a LIB. They take EVERYTHING that is meant for good & twist it into their warped way of thinking. I call it for what it is...Pathetic!

THAT WAS MY POINT! Thank you for expressing the obvious.

t22learner's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:11 PM

Yes well the only ones who would be irresponsible & arrogant enough to use it on their fellow Americans would be a LIB.


“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” - Yoda

ShadowSeeker's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:18 PM


Hmm, I'm not sure if this really has as much to do with privacy as it does with security. There's really nothing out there that says we are granted the right to privacy of email or other electronically transferred material. In fact there are several instances where ISPs must turn over that information. I know it's outlined U.S.C Chapter 121 about stored information which this would relate to. I'm not sure, but it probably says something about it in the Patriot Act.

The issue here is Internet security and I'm sorry, you really can't blame LIBS for ineffectual security. Hmm, do I really want a VP who can't even protect her own information? I kid... but it's a little sickening to hear how this is some LIB conspiracy and they're going to take all my privacy away....

Funny, sounds a lot like the Patriot Act to me. Oh yeah, that's to protect me, right?


This actually protects me too. Ends justify the means? Hardly, but at least let's get the words straight.




Yes well the only ones who would be irresponsible & arrogant enough to use it on their fellow Americans would be a LIB.

THAT WAS MY POINT! Thank you for expressing the obvious.


Wait... we shouldn't check up on everyone.... if they are American under the Patriot Act? Only a Lib would attack a fellow American? Is that what I'm supposed to get from that? Huh... I don't think that's the best idea. We do have homegrown terrorists after all. Imagine that... Though... this, I highly doubt had ANYTHING to do with the Patriot Act.

I still think you missed my point. This is not a privacy issue, it's a basic Internet security issue. LIBS did NOT do this. HACKERS did this. Did you check their voter registration cards? Do not be so quick to judge and condemn is my point unless you have facts and you address the true issue which is not if a Lib or a Con would do it, but that ANYONE could do it and that it is unfair no matter what and should be looked into more closely IMO anyway because it is ILLEGAL.

We could go around in circles on this, but please though, tell my how this is a LIB attack on Ms Palin... sounds like it's an attack on another human by people with way too much time on their hands. I highly doubt the other side isn't trying to do the same thing. It's politics. You have to take everything with a grain of salt and surmise the best truth you can, because that's all you have a chance to do on this side of the fence.

Quikstepper's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:24 PM
Edited by Quikstepper on Wed 09/17/08 06:25 PM



Hmm, I'm not sure if this really has as much to do with privacy as it does with security. There's really nothing out there that says we are granted the right to privacy of email or other electronically transferred material. In fact there are several instances where ISPs must turn over that information. I know it's outlined U.S.C Chapter 121 about stored information which this would relate to. I'm not sure, but it probably says something about it in the Patriot Act.

The issue here is Internet security and I'm sorry, you really can't blame LIBS for ineffectual security. Hmm, do I really want a VP who can't even protect her own information? I kid... but it's a little sickening to hear how this is some LIB conspiracy and they're going to take all my privacy away....

Funny, sounds a lot like the Patriot Act to me. Oh yeah, that's to protect me, right?


This actually protects me too. Ends justify the means? Hardly, but at least let's get the words straight.




Yes well the only ones who would be irresponsible & arrogant enough to use it on their fellow Americans would be a LIB.

THAT WAS MY POINT! Thank you for expressing the obvious.


Wait... we shouldn't check up on everyone.... if they are American under the Patriot Act? Only a Lib would attack a fellow American? Is that what I'm supposed to get from that? Huh... I don't think that's the best idea. We do have homegrown terrorists after all. Imagine that... Though... this, I highly doubt had ANYTHING to do with the Patriot Act.

I still think you missed my point. This is not a privacy issue, it's a basic Internet security issue. LIBS did NOT do this. HACKERS did this. Did you check their voter registration cards? Do not be so quick to judge and condemn is my point unless you have facts and you address the true issue which is not if a Lib or a Con would do it, but that ANYONE could do it and that it is unfair no matter what and should be looked into more closely IMO anyway because it is ILLEGAL.

We could go around in circles on this, but please though, tell my how this is a LIB attack on Ms Palin... sounds like it's an attack on another human by people with way too much time on their hands. I highly doubt the other side isn't trying to do the same thing. It's politics. You have to take everything with a grain of salt and surmise the best truth you can, because that's all you have a chance to do on this side of the fence.


The smoke & mirrors is ridiculous. it's alwsy libs who keep pushing the standards of decency & privacy but want to hollar when they are the ones in the hot seat for going too far. I know where they can stick their "prove it" mentality.

I have the eyes to see the reality. I don't hide my head in the sand. Take that arguement elsewhere. I'm just sick to death that when you think DEMS can't get any lower they still find more ways to lower their lowlife standards. It's disgusting but they are shameless. No standards do they cherish but their own cheap thrills.

t22learner's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:27 PM
Wow. And I thought I really needed to get laid...

ShadowSeeker's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:30 PM

The smoke & mirrors is ridiculous. it's alwsy libs who keep pushing the standards of decency & privacy but want to hollar when they are the ones in the hot seat for going too far. I know where they can stick their "prove it" mentality.

I have the eyes to see the reality. I don't hide my head in the sand. Take that arguement elsewhere. I'm just sick to death that when you think DEMS can't get any lower they still find more ways to lower their lowlife standards. It's disgusting but they are shameless. No standards do they cherish but their own cheap thrills.


Wow... this is good... I ask for clarification and I get nothing. Surprising...

If you don't want anyone to actually discuss this, then why bring it to the board? Your position would be better served by backing it up with fact. I can cut and paste too, but it wouldn't do any good if I couldn't explain my position.

no photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:31 PM




Hmm, I'm not sure if this really has as much to do with privacy as it does with security. There's really nothing out there that says we are granted the right to privacy of email or other electronically transferred material. In fact there are several instances where ISPs must turn over that information. I know it's outlined U.S.C Chapter 121 about stored information which this would relate to. I'm not sure, but it probably says something about it in the Patriot Act.

The issue here is Internet security and I'm sorry, you really can't blame LIBS for ineffectual security. Hmm, do I really want a VP who can't even protect her own information? I kid... but it's a little sickening to hear how this is some LIB conspiracy and they're going to take all my privacy away....

Funny, sounds a lot like the Patriot Act to me. Oh yeah, that's to protect me, right?


This actually protects me too. Ends justify the means? Hardly, but at least let's get the words straight.




Yes well the only ones who would be irresponsible & arrogant enough to use it on their fellow Americans would be a LIB.

THAT WAS MY POINT! Thank you for expressing the obvious.


Wait... we shouldn't check up on everyone.... if they are American under the Patriot Act? Only a Lib would attack a fellow American? Is that what I'm supposed to get from that? Huh... I don't think that's the best idea. We do have homegrown terrorists after all. Imagine that... Though... this, I highly doubt had ANYTHING to do with the Patriot Act.

I still think you missed my point. This is not a privacy issue, it's a basic Internet security issue. LIBS did NOT do this. HACKERS did this. Did you check their voter registration cards? Do not be so quick to judge and condemn is my point unless you have facts and you address the true issue which is not if a Lib or a Con would do it, but that ANYONE could do it and that it is unfair no matter what and should be looked into more closely IMO anyway because it is ILLEGAL.

We could go around in circles on this, but please though, tell my how this is a LIB attack on Ms Palin... sounds like it's an attack on another human by people with way too much time on their hands. I highly doubt the other side isn't trying to do the same thing. It's politics. You have to take everything with a grain of salt and surmise the best truth you can, because that's all you have a chance to do on this side of the fence.


The smoke & mirrors is ridiculous. it's alwsy libs who keep pushing the standards of decency & privacy but want to hollar when they are the ones in the hot seat for going too far. I know where they can stick their "prove it" mentality.

I have the eyes to see the reality. I don't hide my head in the sand. Take that arguement elsewhere. I'm just sick to death that when you think DEMS can't get any lower they still find more ways to lower their lowlife standards. It's disgusting but they are shameless. No standards do they cherish but their own cheap thrills.
WOW you must have only conserative friends or no friends at all!!!!

warmachine's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:33 PM
Lets see how you can blame the "libs" when angry americans finally get violent about what has been done to their families and futures.

When the Martial Law is declared and all of a sudden you can get locked up in camp FEMA for farting without a permit, then tell me who's to blame.

Maybe you ought to go read PDD 51, Bush's favorite.

tngxl65's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:33 PM




Hmm, I'm not sure if this really has as much to do with privacy as it does with security. There's really nothing out there that says we are granted the right to privacy of email or other electronically transferred material. In fact there are several instances where ISPs must turn over that information. I know it's outlined U.S.C Chapter 121 about stored information which this would relate to. I'm not sure, but it probably says something about it in the Patriot Act.

The issue here is Internet security and I'm sorry, you really can't blame LIBS for ineffectual security. Hmm, do I really want a VP who can't even protect her own information? I kid... but it's a little sickening to hear how this is some LIB conspiracy and they're going to take all my privacy away....

Funny, sounds a lot like the Patriot Act to me. Oh yeah, that's to protect me, right?


This actually protects me too. Ends justify the means? Hardly, but at least let's get the words straight.




Yes well the only ones who would be irresponsible & arrogant enough to use it on their fellow Americans would be a LIB.

THAT WAS MY POINT! Thank you for expressing the obvious.


Wait... we shouldn't check up on everyone.... if they are American under the Patriot Act? Only a Lib would attack a fellow American? Is that what I'm supposed to get from that? Huh... I don't think that's the best idea. We do have homegrown terrorists after all. Imagine that... Though... this, I highly doubt had ANYTHING to do with the Patriot Act.

I still think you missed my point. This is not a privacy issue, it's a basic Internet security issue. LIBS did NOT do this. HACKERS did this. Did you check their voter registration cards? Do not be so quick to judge and condemn is my point unless you have facts and you address the true issue which is not if a Lib or a Con would do it, but that ANYONE could do it and that it is unfair no matter what and should be looked into more closely IMO anyway because it is ILLEGAL.

We could go around in circles on this, but please though, tell my how this is a LIB attack on Ms Palin... sounds like it's an attack on another human by people with way too much time on their hands. I highly doubt the other side isn't trying to do the same thing. It's politics. You have to take everything with a grain of salt and surmise the best truth you can, because that's all you have a chance to do on this side of the fence.


The smoke & mirrors is ridiculous. it's alwsy libs who keep pushing the standards of decency & privacy but want to hollar when they are the ones in the hot seat for going too far. I know where they can stick their "prove it" mentality.

I have the eyes to see the reality. I don't hide my head in the sand. Take that arguement elsewhere. I'm just sick to death that when you think DEMS can't get any lower they still find more ways to lower their lowlife standards. It's disgusting but they are shameless. No standards do they cherish but their own cheap thrills.


Your use of absolutes and complete generalizations makes your posts unworthy of debate.

warmachine's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:37 PM





Hmm, I'm not sure if this really has as much to do with privacy as it does with security. There's really nothing out there that says we are granted the right to privacy of email or other electronically transferred material. In fact there are several instances where ISPs must turn over that information. I know it's outlined U.S.C Chapter 121 about stored information which this would relate to. I'm not sure, but it probably says something about it in the Patriot Act.

The issue here is Internet security and I'm sorry, you really can't blame LIBS for ineffectual security. Hmm, do I really want a VP who can't even protect her own information? I kid... but it's a little sickening to hear how this is some LIB conspiracy and they're going to take all my privacy away....

Funny, sounds a lot like the Patriot Act to me. Oh yeah, that's to protect me, right?


This actually protects me too. Ends justify the means? Hardly, but at least let's get the words straight.




Yes well the only ones who would be irresponsible & arrogant enough to use it on their fellow Americans would be a LIB.

THAT WAS MY POINT! Thank you for expressing the obvious.


Wait... we shouldn't check up on everyone.... if they are American under the Patriot Act? Only a Lib would attack a fellow American? Is that what I'm supposed to get from that? Huh... I don't think that's the best idea. We do have homegrown terrorists after all. Imagine that... Though... this, I highly doubt had ANYTHING to do with the Patriot Act.

I still think you missed my point. This is not a privacy issue, it's a basic Internet security issue. LIBS did NOT do this. HACKERS did this. Did you check their voter registration cards? Do not be so quick to judge and condemn is my point unless you have facts and you address the true issue which is not if a Lib or a Con would do it, but that ANYONE could do it and that it is unfair no matter what and should be looked into more closely IMO anyway because it is ILLEGAL.

We could go around in circles on this, but please though, tell my how this is a LIB attack on Ms Palin... sounds like it's an attack on another human by people with way too much time on their hands. I highly doubt the other side isn't trying to do the same thing. It's politics. You have to take everything with a grain of salt and surmise the best truth you can, because that's all you have a chance to do on this side of the fence.


The smoke & mirrors is ridiculous. it's alwsy libs who keep pushing the standards of decency & privacy but want to hollar when they are the ones in the hot seat for going too far. I know where they can stick their "prove it" mentality.

I have the eyes to see the reality. I don't hide my head in the sand. Take that arguement elsewhere. I'm just sick to death that when you think DEMS can't get any lower they still find more ways to lower their lowlife standards. It's disgusting but they are shameless. No standards do they cherish but their own cheap thrills.


Your use of absolutes and complete generalizations makes your posts unworthy of debate.


As much as I hate to, I have to disagree here, as long as it's a personal viewpoint presented for public consumption, it's worthy of debate. The absolutes and generalizations just makes it easy to debunk and irritating to have to defend as a traditional republican.

tngxl65's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:45 PM






Hmm, I'm not sure if this really has as much to do with privacy as it does with security. There's really nothing out there that says we are granted the right to privacy of email or other electronically transferred material. In fact there are several instances where ISPs must turn over that information. I know it's outlined U.S.C Chapter 121 about stored information which this would relate to. I'm not sure, but it probably says something about it in the Patriot Act.

The issue here is Internet security and I'm sorry, you really can't blame LIBS for ineffectual security. Hmm, do I really want a VP who can't even protect her own information? I kid... but it's a little sickening to hear how this is some LIB conspiracy and they're going to take all my privacy away....

Funny, sounds a lot like the Patriot Act to me. Oh yeah, that's to protect me, right?


This actually protects me too. Ends justify the means? Hardly, but at least let's get the words straight.




Yes well the only ones who would be irresponsible & arrogant enough to use it on their fellow Americans would be a LIB.

THAT WAS MY POINT! Thank you for expressing the obvious.


Wait... we shouldn't check up on everyone.... if they are American under the Patriot Act? Only a Lib would attack a fellow American? Is that what I'm supposed to get from that? Huh... I don't think that's the best idea. We do have homegrown terrorists after all. Imagine that... Though... this, I highly doubt had ANYTHING to do with the Patriot Act.

I still think you missed my point. This is not a privacy issue, it's a basic Internet security issue. LIBS did NOT do this. HACKERS did this. Did you check their voter registration cards? Do not be so quick to judge and condemn is my point unless you have facts and you address the true issue which is not if a Lib or a Con would do it, but that ANYONE could do it and that it is unfair no matter what and should be looked into more closely IMO anyway because it is ILLEGAL.

We could go around in circles on this, but please though, tell my how this is a LIB attack on Ms Palin... sounds like it's an attack on another human by people with way too much time on their hands. I highly doubt the other side isn't trying to do the same thing. It's politics. You have to take everything with a grain of salt and surmise the best truth you can, because that's all you have a chance to do on this side of the fence.


The smoke & mirrors is ridiculous. it's alwsy libs who keep pushing the standards of decency & privacy but want to hollar when they are the ones in the hot seat for going too far. I know where they can stick their "prove it" mentality.

I have the eyes to see the reality. I don't hide my head in the sand. Take that arguement elsewhere. I'm just sick to death that when you think DEMS can't get any lower they still find more ways to lower their lowlife standards. It's disgusting but they are shameless. No standards do they cherish but their own cheap thrills.


Your use of absolutes and complete generalizations makes your posts unworthy of debate.


As much as I hate to, I have to disagree here, as long as it's a personal viewpoint presented for public consumption, it's worthy of debate. The absolutes and generalizations just makes it easy to debunk and irritating to have to defend as a traditional republican.


The topic likely is worthy of debate, you're right. I think my feeling is that I know, right away, that someone using those absolutes is not really open to hearing logical reasoning. However others on the thread may be willing to have a reasonable discussion. I just get so irritated when the post starts off with absolutely no room for reason with the original poster. Makes me not want to engage. Presentation goes a long way.

warmachine's photo
Wed 09/17/08 06:57 PM







Hmm, I'm not sure if this really has as much to do with privacy as it does with security. There's really nothing out there that says we are granted the right to privacy of email or other electronically transferred material. In fact there are several instances where ISPs must turn over that information. I know it's outlined U.S.C Chapter 121 about stored information which this would relate to. I'm not sure, but it probably says something about it in the Patriot Act.

The issue here is Internet security and I'm sorry, you really can't blame LIBS for ineffectual security. Hmm, do I really want a VP who can't even protect her own information? I kid... but it's a little sickening to hear how this is some LIB conspiracy and they're going to take all my privacy away....

Funny, sounds a lot like the Patriot Act to me. Oh yeah, that's to protect me, right?


This actually protects me too. Ends justify the means? Hardly, but at least let's get the words straight.




Yes well the only ones who would be irresponsible & arrogant enough to use it on their fellow Americans would be a LIB.

THAT WAS MY POINT! Thank you for expressing the obvious.


Wait... we shouldn't check up on everyone.... if they are American under the Patriot Act? Only a Lib would attack a fellow American? Is that what I'm supposed to get from that? Huh... I don't think that's the best idea. We do have homegrown terrorists after all. Imagine that... Though... this, I highly doubt had ANYTHING to do with the Patriot Act.

I still think you missed my point. This is not a privacy issue, it's a basic Internet security issue. LIBS did NOT do this. HACKERS did this. Did you check their voter registration cards? Do not be so quick to judge and condemn is my point unless you have facts and you address the true issue which is not if a Lib or a Con would do it, but that ANYONE could do it and that it is unfair no matter what and should be looked into more closely IMO anyway because it is ILLEGAL.

We could go around in circles on this, but please though, tell my how this is a LIB attack on Ms Palin... sounds like it's an attack on another human by people with way too much time on their hands. I highly doubt the other side isn't trying to do the same thing. It's politics. You have to take everything with a grain of salt and surmise the best truth you can, because that's all you have a chance to do on this side of the fence.


The smoke & mirrors is ridiculous. it's alwsy libs who keep pushing the standards of decency & privacy but want to hollar when they are the ones in the hot seat for going too far. I know where they can stick their "prove it" mentality.

I have the eyes to see the reality. I don't hide my head in the sand. Take that arguement elsewhere. I'm just sick to death that when you think DEMS can't get any lower they still find more ways to lower their lowlife standards. It's disgusting but they are shameless. No standards do they cherish but their own cheap thrills.


Your use of absolutes and complete generalizations makes your posts unworthy of debate.


As much as I hate to, I have to disagree here, as long as it's a personal viewpoint presented for public consumption, it's worthy of debate. The absolutes and generalizations just makes it easy to debunk and irritating to have to defend as a traditional republican.


The topic likely is worthy of debate, you're right. I think my feeling is that I know, right away, that someone using those absolutes is not really open to hearing logical reasoning. However others on the thread may be willing to have a reasonable discussion. I just get so irritated when the post starts off with absolutely no room for reason with the original poster. Makes me not want to engage. Presentation goes a long way.


I totally understand where that would come from, not wanting to engage. However the only way to defeat those who have such absolute views is to take the high ground, explain the postition you take as clearly as possible and then defend that position if it's defensible.

I'm personally guilty for not always taking the high road, but I'm fallible. If I start taking the low road, I'm most sure that folks like you, Dragoness, MadMan, Wouldee and others won't be afraid to call me out on it and I welcome that!

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