Topic: LIB Hackers lack privacy for Palin
damnitscloudy's photo
Wed 09/17/08 07:43 PM
Those kinds of hackers are not liberal nor conservative. They exist just to create havoc. I've had my email hacked before, and its not because i'm into politics, its because they wanted to have fun. mad

tngxl65's photo
Wed 09/17/08 07:45 PM

Those kinds of hackers are not liberal nor conservative. They exist just to create havoc. I've had my email hacked before, and its not because i'm into politics, its because they wanted to have fun. mad


Now you've proven her point. Only LIBERALS like to have FUN. :wink: :wink: laugh laugh

ShadowSeeker's photo
Wed 09/17/08 07:47 PM


Those kinds of hackers are not liberal nor conservative. They exist just to create havoc. I've had my email hacked before, and its not because i'm into politics, its because they wanted to have fun. mad


Now you've proven her point. Only LIBERALS like to have FUN. :wink: :wink: laugh laugh


:laughing:

glad that someone does these days!

damnitscloudy's photo
Wed 09/17/08 07:57 PM
This is why i don't like the whole "Lib VS Con" arguement. If your not one or the other than both sides hate you.

Atleast my factions in World of Warcraft like me ohwell

madisonman's photo
Wed 09/17/08 08:18 PM


Ummm, I would reckon, just my opinion, that the minute she started avoiding doing official state business on her publicly funded state email and started doing states business through her personal email, that the private email of Mrs.Palin gets to be public.

Now is that law, no, but like I said thats just my opinion.

I do not advocate anyone usurping someone elses right to privacy, thats a right given to us by the Creator and insured to us by the Constitution.


Oh, by the way, both sides are guilty of invasion of privacy, Bush wanted to make Nixons spying broader in scope and "legal", Congress caved. Both sides are complicit.
I agree...But QS automatically blaming anyone is wrong..How does she not know it if its not a REP step on to many times by his constituents?
It could have been the John Birch society who hacked it who knowes. I wonder why she would use a personal E mail account for government business?

Lynann's photo
Wed 09/17/08 08:23 PM
What server are you on Damnitscloudy?

Are you horde or alliance?

If it's mine I am going to come pwn ya...just for general purpose! hahaha

/applies deadly and mind numbing poison

/lol

For those that don't game don't bother to reply please. I am aware I misspelled own.

warmachine's photo
Thu 09/18/08 03:49 PM
Literally lying liberals? Like, No way.

Listen,Liberal might lie, but unless you can label the lies they've told, you're just posting libel about liberals lying... Later.

tngxl65's photo
Thu 09/18/08 03:50 PM

Literally lying liberals? Like, No way.

Listen,Liberal might lie, but unless you can label the lies they've told, you're just posting libel about liberals lying... Later.


I couldn't have said it better. In fact... I couldn't have said it at all, lol.

laugh :wink: laugh flowerforyou

Quikstepper's photo
Thu 09/18/08 04:23 PM
Edited by Quikstepper on Thu 09/18/08 04:24 PM

Literally lying liberals? Like, No way.

Listen,Liberal might lie, but unless you can label the lies they've told, you're just posting libel about liberals lying... Later.


sniff sniff... smells like a lib to me...


You talk the pro constituon line but in your every imagination you are a liberal.

You decieve not only the reader but yourself.

You like to bash REPS but say nothing about DEMS???

Now who needs a reality check? My point being, you aren't above it all ok? If you really believed what you post here ad nausium, you would be more opposed to OBAMA than anyone else.

...but you just go keep getting these DEMS elected by default...

warmachine's photo
Thu 09/18/08 04:33 PM


Literally lying liberals? Like, No way.

Listen,Liberal might lie, but unless you can label the lies they've told, you're just posting libel about liberals lying... Later.


sniff sniff... smells like a lib to me...


You talk the pro constituon line but in your every imagination you are a liberal.

You decieve not only the reader but yourself.

You like to bash REPS but say nothing about DEMS???

Now who needs a reality check? My point being, you aren't above it all ok? If you really believed what you post here ad nausium, you would be more opposed to OBAMA than anyone else.

...but you just go keep getting these DEMS elected by default...



First off, Stop sniffing me,thats just odd and creepy.

Secondly, it seems to me, that if anyone disagrees with your narrow world view, you immediately label them liberals.

You show me where I'm a liberal, since you seem to be so high and mighty: I believe in sound money, obeying the constitution, protecting our borders, reducing the size of government, paying our bills before we incur more debt, making abortion a states issue, returning to the understanding that the central government does not supercede states law, noninterventionist foriegn policy and operating under the Just War policy.

You however seem to believe in name calling and finger pointing. You wonder why NeoCons are mocked by real conservatives? You are the posterboard child of the "liberals who have been mugged".

As far as posting anti Obama stuff, you best go read my posts, I crap all over Barack just as much, you're just a typical NeoCon, you only see what you want to see and everything else is either imaginary or a liberal conspiracy.

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 09/18/08 05:00 PM



Literally lying liberals? Like, No way.

Listen,Liberal might lie, but unless you can label the lies they've told, you're just posting libel about liberals lying... Later.


sniff sniff... smells like a lib to me...


You talk the pro constituon line but in your every imagination you are a liberal.

You decieve not only the reader but yourself.

You like to bash REPS but say nothing about DEMS???

Now who needs a reality check? My point being, you aren't above it all ok? If you really believed what you post here ad nausium, you would be more opposed to OBAMA than anyone else.

...but you just go keep getting these DEMS elected by default...



First off, Stop sniffing me,thats just odd and creepy.

Secondly, it seems to me, that if anyone disagrees with your narrow world view, you immediately label them liberals.

You show me where I'm a liberal, since you seem to be so high and mighty: I believe in sound money, obeying the constitution, protecting our borders, reducing the size of government, paying our bills before we incur more debt, making abortion a states issue, returning to the understanding that the central government does not supercede states law, noninterventionist foriegn policy and operating under the Just War policy.

You however seem to believe in name calling and finger pointing. You wonder why NeoCons are mocked by real conservatives? You are the posterboard child of the "liberals who have been mugged".

As far as posting anti Obama stuff, you best go read my posts, I crap all over Barack just as much, you're just a typical NeoCon, you only see what you want to see and everything else is either imaginary or a liberal conspiracy.

:smile: Its true. :smile: Warmachine is pretty much critical of all factions of government.:smile: Liberal and conservative :smile:

warmachine's photo
Thu 09/18/08 05:13 PM


:smile: Its true. :smile: Warmachine is pretty much critical of all factions of government.:smile: Liberal and conservative :smile:
smokin

Yep, thats me, callin' 'em like I see 'em.


warmachine's photo
Thu 09/18/08 06:23 PM
Found some interesting commentary on this subject, here it is:

What does Sarah Palin have to hide in her Yahoo e-mails?
Some adolescent criminal (in mentality if not age) yesterday hacked into a Yahoo account used by Sarah Palin for both personal and business email, and various sites -- including Gawker -- posted some of the emails online. While the bottom layers of the right-wing noise machine (the kind that make you run for the shower after reading them) are moronically describing the hacker(s) as "liberals" and "left-wing," nobody actually has any idea of their identity, let alone their political leanings (if any). The available evidence strongly suggests the hacker is loosely part of an assorted band of Internet pranksters ranging from the juvenile to the psychopathic. Conventional political agendas ("Vote Obama!") don't exactly appear to be their interest. Either way, whoever did this committed a serious crime -- it's rather revolting to see screen shots of someone's inbox splattered across the Internet -- and the hacker should be apprehended and prosecuted.

Still, it's really a wondrous, and repugnant, sight to behold the Bush-following lynch mobs on the Right melodramatically defend the Virtues of Privacy and the Rule of Law. These, of course, are the same authoritarians who have cheered on every last expansion of the Lawless Surveillance State of the last eight years -- put their fists in the air with glee as the Federal Government seized the power to listen to innocent Americans' telephone calls; read our emails; obtain our banking, credit card, and library records; and create vast data bases of every call we make and receive and every prescription we fill and every instance of travel and other vast categories of information that remain largely unknown -- all without warrants or oversight of any kind and often in clear violation of the law.

The same political faction which today is prancing around in full-throated fits of melodramatic hysteria and Victim mode (their absolute favorite state of being) over the sanctity of Sarah Palin's privacy are the same ones who scoffed with indifference as it was revealed during the Bush era that the FBI systematically abused its Patriot Act powers to gather and store private information on thousands of innocent Americans; that Homeland Security officials illegally infiltrated and monitored peaceful, law-abiding left-wing groups devoted to peace activism, civil liberties and other political agendas disliked by the state; and that the telephone calls of journalists and lawyers have been illegally and repeatedly monitored.

And the same Surveillance State Worshipper leading today's screeching -- Michelle Malkin -- spent the last several years deriding those who objected to the President's illegal spying program as "privacy crusaders" and "constitutional absolutists" and "civil liberties absolutists".

Shouldn't these same people be standing up today and insisting that if Sarah Palin has done nothing wrong, then she should have nothing to hide? If Sarah Palin isn't committing crimes or consorting with The Terrorists, then why would she care if we can monitor her emails? And if private companies such as Yahoo can access her emails -- as they can -- then she doesn't really have any "privacy" anyway, so what's the big deal if others read through her communications, too? Isn't that the authoritarian idiocy that has been spewed since The Day That 9/11 Changed Everything -- beginning with the Constitution -- to justify vesting secret and unchecked surveillance powers in our Great and Good Leaders?

And then, even better, there is the righteous outrage over the fact that this hacker engaged in what they call [spat with whispered contempt] . . . . "illegal surveillance." Why, whoever broke into Palin's Yahoo account broke the law, and we all know that that can't be tolerated! Bill O'Reilly last night called for the FBI to arrest not only those who did the hacking, but also those who own and manage Gawker ("a despicable, slimy, scummy website"), simply for posting the emails. This is what O'Reilly said:

It's a felony -- a federal crime -- also a crime in Alaska -- to hack into people's private correspondence . . . We have no privacy left in this country anymore. The website knows the law, and says "you know -- I'm going to do it anyway. I dare you to come get me."
Indeed. What kind of grotesque monster would invade people's private communications even though they know it's illegal to do that? It's almost like this despicable criminal-hacker did something like this -- from Scott Horton's Harpers interview yesterday with The Washington Post's Barton Gellman:
For the next three months, Addington and Cheney tried to suppress a growing legal insurgency. Andy Card acknowledged to me that Bush was out of the loop. By early March, Jack Goldsmith ruled that parts of the [NSA warrantless eavesdropping] program were unlawful. Ashcroft and Comey backed him. . . .The next day, Thursday March 11, Bush renewed the program anyway. He signed new language–again written by Addington -- declaring that he, the president, was the ultimate authority on what was legal.
Notably, the people whose communications George Bush was illegally intercepting for years (with the virtually unanimous support of the authoritarian Right) were private citizens who -- unlike Sarah Palin -- had done nothing to cede their privacy, and who had not been found by any court of law to have done anything wrong or even to be suspected of wrongdoing. As despicable as I personally find the Palin hacking to be, it pales in comparison to the Bush crimes, because when someone runs for President or Vice President, they voluntarily cede vast amounts of their personal privacy, which is why they're required to disclose things like their medical records, tax returns, assocational history, and other financial documents -- all information that private Americans, at least in theory in the pre-Bush era, had the right to keep private. Those subjected to Bush's illegal surveillance programs have done nothing to cede their privacy -- other than live in a country which has decided to abolish most privacy protections.

Last night, O'Reilly angrily lamented that "we have no privacy left in this country anymore." That's the very same Bill O'Reilly who went on television last October to gravely warn that John Edwards was a "Far Leftist" and detailed all the dark things that would happen in America if Edwards were elected President:

Would you support President John Edwards? Remember, no coerced interrogation, civilian lawyers in courts for captured overseas terrorists, no branding the Iranian guards terrorists, and no phone surveillance without a specific warrant.
And then there's the McCain campaign, protesting this "shocking invasion of the Governor's privacy and a violation of law" even though the GOP nominee has supported every last expansion of surveillance power and stood by the President's every last violation of our surveillance laws. I wonder if the laws which the Palin hacker violated are similar to the federal statute that makes it a felony -- punishable by up to 5 years in prison and a $10,000 fine for each offense -- to eavesdrop on the communications of Americans without warrants, or the multiple statutes (.pdf) which expressly outlaw the telecoms from allowing government spying on their customers without warrants from a court?

Maybe the hacker who invaded Sarah Palin's emails can hire lobbyists to pour money into the campaign coffers of Jay Rockefeller and Steny Hoyer so that they'll meet with **** Cheney -- again -- and sit together and write a law to retroactively immunize him for the hacking. After all, this country has very significant problems that we need to fix. We need to look forward, not get bogged down in nasty partisan wars of the past. Besides, wasn't the hacker well-intentioned, acting as a good patriotic citizen, concerned about credible and obviously newsworthy reports from McClatchy that Sarah Palin -- just like the GOP administration she wants to succeed -- has been illegally using her personal email accounts to conduct business in order to evade subpoenas? What's a little lawbreaking among friends when the criminals can justify it afterwards with some good purpose?

All these privacy fetishists and (to use Joe Klein's term) "civil liberties extremists" screeching today over Sarah Palin's "privacy" need to get some sense of proportion. If Sarah Palin has nothing to hide, if she's not a Terrorist, why would she mind anyone going through her emails? And just because these things -- those things that some overly-earnest people call "statutes" or "laws" or whatever the new trendy Leftist term for them is today -- say that you can't invade people's private communications without committing a crime, does anyone other than shrill Leftists really take that seriously, really think that someone who does what the law says you can't do should get in trouble or -- more absurdly still -- be arrested? Isn't it time -- just like David Broder and so many other of our Elite Guardians have directed -- that we stop criminalizing our politics?

-- Glenn Greenwald

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Fantastic, Enjoy.

t22learner's photo
Thu 09/18/08 06:44 PM
Edited by t22learner on Thu 09/18/08 07:20 PM
How can someone smell a "LIB" when their nose is permanently planted in neo-conservative ass?

warmachine's photo
Thu 09/18/08 07:01 PM

How can someone smell a "LIB" when their nose is permanently planted in conservative ass?


Not conservative, NeoConservative... and that's why they always smell a Lib, both reek of sh!t...

warmachine's photo
Thu 09/18/08 07:02 PM
State rep says son focus of Palin e-mail hacking rumors

News Sentinel staff and wire
Originally published 04:53 p.m., September 18, 2008
Updated 05:54 p.m., September 18, 2008

NASHVILLE - State Rep. Mike Kernell said today that he was aware of Internet rumors about his son being the subject of speculation that he accessed the personal e-mail of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Asked whether he or his son, a student at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville, had been contacted by authorities investigating the break-in of Palin's account, he responded:

"Me, no."

As far as his 20-year-old son, David, he said: "I can't say. That doesn't mean he has or hasn't (been contacted by investigators)."

Kernell, D-Memphis, cited the father-son relationship.

He said he had talked to his son today, but that he talks to his son regularly.

He declined further comment.

Attempts to reach the younger Kernell for comment were not successful.

The FBI and the Secret Service started a formal investigation Wednesday into the hacking, according to the Associated Press.

A first-hand account reported by the Associated Press suggested her account was vulnerable because a hacker was able to impersonate her online and obtain her passord.

The alleged hacker, using the e-mail address rubico10@yahoo.com, posted Wednesday to a forum on the website 4chan about how he used Yahoo! Mail's password-recovery tool to obtain the Alaska's governor password.

"i am the lurker who did it, and i would like to tell the story," rubico10@yahoo.com wrote.

The hacker guessed that Alaska's governor had met her husband in high school, and knew the Republican vice presidential candidate's date of birth and home Zip code, the Associated Press reported.

Using those details, the hacker tricked Yahoo Inc.'s service into assigning a new password, "popcorn," for Palin's e-mail account, according to a chronology of the crime published on the Web site where the hacking was first revealed.

Yahoo declined to comment today on details of the investigation, citing Palin's privacy and the sensitivity of such investigations, according to the Associated Press.

The person who claimed responsibility for the break-in did not respond Thursday to an e-mail inquiry from the Associated Press.

The break-in of Palin's private account is especially significant because Palin sometimes uses non-government e-mail to conduct state business. the Associated Press reported.

The Associated Press and Commercial Appeal of Memphis contributed to this story.

More details as they develop online and in Friday's News Sentinel.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/sep/18/tennessean-state-reps-son-contacted-palin-e-mail-p/

t22learner's photo
Thu 09/18/08 07:21 PM


How can someone smell a "LIB" when their nose is permanently planted in conservative ass?

Not conservative, NeoConservative... and that's why they always smell a Lib, both reek of sh!t...

Oh. My bad. I smell good.

tngxl65's photo
Thu 09/18/08 07:44 PM
I do see a distinction between the privacy being invaded by the govt hailing 'The patriot act' and the privacy invaded by a hacker. Or at least I can see the argument for a distinction. The government hacks my email looking to see if I am building a bomb or plotting terrorist activities and promises not to look too close or tell anyone about my sordid activities. The hacker is looking for my sordid activities and probably doesn't care if I'm building a bomb or plotting to blow up something.

But I still think it's a dangerous precedent and both are a violation of my privacy.

No doubt, the person responsible should be found and prosecuted. There's no excusing it. Nothing to do with party lines. I'd turn them in if I knew who did it. I find it repulsive... just like I find the assertion that "it must have been a liberal that done it" repulsive.

madisonman's photo
Thu 09/18/08 08:02 PM
I am still wondering why she would use a personal email account to perform state business

t22learner's photo
Thu 09/18/08 08:06 PM

I am still wondering why she would use a personal email account to perform state business

To avoid potential subpoena of official state email accounts.