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Topic: Conservatives turn on McCain-Palin
madisonman's photo
Tue 09/23/08 01:53 PM


"I suppose the McCain campaign's hope is that when there's a big crisis, people will go for age and experience. The question is, who in this crisis looked more presidential, calm and un-flustered? It wasn't John McCain who, as usual, substituting vehemence for coherence, said 'let's fire somebody.' And picked one of the most experienced and conservative people in the administration, Chris Cox, and for no apparent reason... It was un-presidential behavior by a presidential candidate.

John McCain showed his personality this week, and made some of us fearful."

George Will, long-time conservative pundit - September 21, 2008


You know what...

McCain was right...

Lets fire somebody. Lets fire the current congress and anybody that has profited by this free-for-all of greed. Lets fire the people that ignored our interests in there mad dash for power and privilege. Lets fire them based on how much damage they have done to us and not on which party they belong to.

Lets demand that they put those executives in prison that have made BILLIONS off of stealing our houses and conning us into buying stuff on low credit rates only to raise those rates six months later.

In the days of Black Beard they hung pirates...

Perhaps we should build a gallows on wall street.


Dont forget about Bush and Cheney

Dragoness's photo
Tue 09/23/08 02:09 PM



it's fun watching scared rabbits run down their rabbit hole and hide from thier predator with snipe scent all around the hole.

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

may I interest you with the facts?

Mc Cain was written off by the neocons as evidenced by his lack of campaign funds.

He was always considered as an "also ran" by the retardican hijackers.

The only one that could make sense of this ticket is the man that has stumped for Mrs. Sarah Palin for the last few months, even though he has always thought she was the best pick for VP no matter who got the nod.

No one has been paying attention to this little fact either.



But then, Newt Gingrich's opinions aren't credible either, huh?



I smell libtardican defeat.biggrin

smells like Victory!!!!!!oops tongue2


frustrated frustrated frustrated scared scared scared scared shocked slaphead




bigsmile


Why do you think that discussing facts means that one is scared?

Methinks you protest too much. That makes you appeared scared, IMO.

flowers



I don't.bigsmile

skewed facts aren't facts, dear.:wink: laugh


I am edumacating libtards and humoring myself with the sarcasm.



anybody game for jumping the sinking ship of nobama's delusional misinterpretations of his well heeled handlers yet?

No?


Then the fun continues unabated.


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl





Edumacating? Please. Not one of your posts has been even slightly more legitimate than McCain's lie filled ads.


wouldee's photo
Tue 09/23/08 02:11 PM
doesn't anyone that agrees to an ARM know that it must reset after two years according to the whim of the lender or holder of the note?

BUying homes on the bet that they will rise in value quicker than the date of the exppectant reset accompanied the gamble by those ignoring the principle behind ARMs.

they are qualifying loans, not lonng term sound fixed rate loans.

Assuming that prices will always rise is foolhardy and not due diligence.

Who's game is it anyway?


This was the warning in 2000 that went unheeded.

Accompanying those warnings were statistcs showing that house prices were out of balance, geographically speaking, at a variable rate from the deviation of the historic basis for qualifying for home loans.

That ignored criteria was that the house should cost no more than 3 times the annual salary of the borrower.

Buying down the initial interest rate to qualify boirrowers for homes that cost 10-12 times the borrowers annual income is just plain old fashioned stupidity.

you got what you got because of this "head in the sand" delusion that historyy is a lie, and that sound fiscal responsibility is an antiquated fossil of a bygone era.


Well, apparently the doomsayers were prophets and not charlatans and carpetbaggers, huh?


Americans buy into free lunches way too easy.

scary.


think

Winx's photo
Tue 09/23/08 02:12 PM




it's fun watching scared rabbits run down their rabbit hole and hide from thier predator with snipe scent all around the hole.

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

may I interest you with the facts?

Mc Cain was written off by the neocons as evidenced by his lack of campaign funds.

He was always considered as an "also ran" by the retardican hijackers.

The only one that could make sense of this ticket is the man that has stumped for Mrs. Sarah Palin for the last few months, even though he has always thought she was the best pick for VP no matter who got the nod.

No one has been paying attention to this little fact either.



But then, Newt Gingrich's opinions aren't credible either, huh?



I smell libtardican defeat.biggrin

smells like Victory!!!!!!oops tongue2


frustrated frustrated frustrated scared scared scared scared shocked slaphead




bigsmile


Why do you think that discussing facts means that one is scared?

Methinks you protest too much. That makes you appeared scared, IMO.

flowers



I don't.bigsmile

skewed facts aren't facts, dear.:wink: laugh


I am edumacating libtards and humoring myself with the sarcasm.



anybody game for jumping the sinking ship of nobama's delusional misinterpretations of his well heeled handlers yet?

No?


Then the fun continues unabated.


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl





Edumacating? Please. Not one of your posts has been even slightly more legitimate than McCain's lie filled ads.





flowers

wouldee's photo
Tue 09/23/08 02:25 PM
you see....

when loans like these are two years old, they reset and the prevailing interest rate is triggered.

That triples the mortgage payment.

So why not sell?

OK.

But everyone sold or offered to sell at the same time.

FIxed rate mortgages were being offered now, by 2006, with 30% down. MINIMUM!!!!!!!

no refinancing there......

no buyers there.....

why?

because ARM loans can't refinance easily, that's why.

A sale is absoultely necessary for a sound commercial bank to write a refinance. But a refinance must be qualified for. If the ARM buried homeowner cannot handle the reset of the existing ARM, how will thaT SAME HOMEOWNER QUALIFY FOR A REFINANCE INTO A FIXED RATE LOAN?

Answer: they don"t!!!!!!!!!

what do they do then?

they sell?

to whom?

to sonmeone with 30% down, that's who.

But that doesn't work. Nobody puts 30%down.


exactly.

that's why new loans backstopped with that requirement for equity participatioin in a housing market known to be flat and stagnant by the banks being inundated with loan apps for fixed rate refi's.

HUH?????????????


The 30% down requirement was plugging in an expected downturn and deflationary effect on housing?

HUH?

The banks knew that a correction was overdue. A 20% loss in equity was anticipated by the expected short selling into the market of homes by distressed sellers.


WHy oh why is everyone a real estate expert and an entrepreneur in speculative housing as an investment tool

Everyone thought they were smarter than the industry professionals.LOL\

Housewives and car salesmen acting like they are wheeling dealing General Contractors and astute interior designers.

puuullleeeeeezzzzeeeeeee.

have some more KOOL AID, folks.

drinks drinks drinks drinks drinks drinks


Does this make sense?


probably not.



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wouldee's photo
Tue 09/23/08 02:29 PM
Edited by wouldee on Tue 09/23/08 02:31 PM
and here we are.


blaming bush for it.


and hating on the bankers.



Just remember that nobama's biggest fans and confidants and advisors benefitted by freddie and fannie games.

and nobama's biggest contributors to his bid to steal the levers of power are coming from money given by these behemoth gambling factories.

everyone was warned.


this is putting the fox in the chicken coop.

:wink: laugh

t22learner's photo
Tue 09/23/08 03:10 PM
While the delusional continue to blather, thinking conservatives turn away from the insanity that is John McCain.

warmachine's photo
Tue 09/23/08 03:12 PM

thinking conservatives turn away from the insanity that is John McCain.


waving I resemble that remark.


wouldee's photo
Tue 09/23/08 03:13 PM
he saw me first , war.


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl









drinks

t22learner's photo
Tue 09/23/08 03:13 PM


thinking conservatives turn away from the insanity that is John McCain.


waving I resemble that remark.

You think, therefore you are...

warmachine's photo
Tue 09/23/08 03:15 PM
I am?

Okay, I couldn't help it.

Fiscal Conservatives like me are completely sick to their stomachs about the mess this government has caused.


t22learner's photo
Tue 09/23/08 03:19 PM
Yes, and they are coming out against this bailout the same as some Democrats. There's also some fear that giving the Sec. of the Treasury so much power won't be so great when it's a Democrat.

t22learner's photo
Tue 09/23/08 03:45 PM
"There's not once chance that Governor Palin would have to answer a question. ... They're eliminating even the chance of any kind of interaction with the candidate -- it's just unprecedented."

FOX News Producer Shushannah Walshe

warmachine's photo
Tue 09/23/08 03:55 PM

"There's not once chance that Governor Palin would have to answer a question. ... They're eliminating even the chance of any kind of interaction with the candidate -- it's just unprecedented."

FOX News Producer Shushannah Walshe


Wow, even Rupert Murdochs propaganda machine is up in arms about this. That should speak volumes... but it won't.

t22learner's photo
Tue 09/23/08 05:14 PM
Edited by t22learner on Tue 09/23/08 05:15 PM
Richard Cizik is one of the country’s most powerful and outspoken Christian evangelical leaders. He happens to be a Republican, and he has known the GOP’s presidential nominee for many years. “I thought John McCain was a principled person,” Cizik says. “But John McCain has backed off, not just on climate change but on torture and a sensible tax policy — in other words, he’s not the John McCain of 2000. … He seems to be waffling on issue after issue.

“It’s not illogical for someone to conclude that John McCain is going to be more like George Bush than John McCain is going to be like John McCain in 2000.”

http://coloradoindependent.com/8807/evangelical-leader-smacks-mccain-for-lack-of-principle

Lynann's photo
Tue 09/23/08 05:45 PM
Anyone remember when McCain ran in 2000?

He was ruthlessly attacked by his fellow republicans. It's the sort of attack campaigning that set the tone for Bushes next run and McCain's current run.

McCain won in, was in New Hampshire with almost %50 of the vote, but the Bush/Rove political machine was attacking and by the time the South Carolina primary came around it was really ugly.

McCain said regarding rumors spread about him and his family, "I believe that there is a special place in hell for people like those."

Funny thing is, I would have voted for McCain in 2000.

Sadly, McCain seems to have abandoned his principles in this race to win the presidency. He is all that he once condemned.


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