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Topic: GOD, a sadistic tyrant ?
Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sat 09/13/08 01:57 PM Edited by Jess642 on Sat 09/13/08 01:58 PM
Exactly the same................you aren't going to change my mind. I know what unconditional love is.............and what it is not. What is the big deal here. All you have to do(to avoid hell) is tell God your sorry for your sins and ask for forgivness through is sons passion for US! and mean it and genuenly and freely choose to love him. WoW...is that to much to ask??? Which god, am I supposed to ask? Your god, his god? her god? Their god? Which god?

Plainome Joined Sat 08/30/08 Posts: 363	Sat 09/13/08 02:01 PM
Exactly the same................you aren't going to change my mind. I know what unconditional love is.............and what it is not. What is the big deal here? All you have to do (to avoid hell) is tell God your sorry for your sins and ask for forgiveness through is sons passion for US! And mean it and genuinely and freely choose to love him. Wow...is that to much to ask??? I mean his son toke care of the hard part. Do what ya want after all its your funeral…Haaa haaaa. That would imply that I believe this being has the power to forgive me of sin, when imo, you can only sin against yourself........and therefore only you can grant yourself forgiveness.

Plainome Joined Sat 08/30/08 Posts: 363	Sat 09/13/08 02:03 PM
and if you have ever read the bible before, you would know that God does in fact send you there. Duet 7:10 Absolutely. If an all-powerful God allows anyone to go to hell then he is sending them there. Period. Some people even say that God weeps when someone goes to hell. But that's absurd. Why would God be weeping? If the person deserves to go to hell there's nothing to weep about. If they don't deserve to go to hell then something's drastically wrong with the system. It's as simple as that. The idea that a God would allow any decent person to go to hell just because they didn't appease the arrogant Christians is the most asburd thing I can imagine. It's much more likely that the arrogant Christians would be the ones are their way to hell. Even Jesus said that there will be many who claim to know him but he will not acknowledge them. People think they can 'save' themselves just by claiming to be a born again Christian. But they don't have the power to do that. Who are they to tell Jesus who he will or will not 'save'? They are seriously kidding themselves when they start judging. In fact, Jesus said that we will be judged as we judge others. So if Jesus tells the truth, then the Christians are in some deep sh't. If your child became a prostitute or a murderer or a child molester etc. You would despise their actions but would still love the child that you created. The loss of what might have been or became of your child if they had only made the right discussions would be the thing that would break your heart and make you weep. Not to mention God knows what awaits us in hell...we only have an idea. If my child became a prostitute I would see it as her choice. I would wonder if it were due to a lack of money and out of necessity. I would wonder if she simply looked at it as a job.........I would not judge her, nor would I not be in her life anymore because she chose such a thing. If one or both of my children became child molesters, I would want to find them help as I believe it to be a psychological disorder, not necessarily a simple matter of choosing evil over good, but something that is deep seated that causes them to get sexually excited at the thought of another child. I would not judge them, or hate them, of kick them out of my life..........I would be concerned for them and try to keep them away from children. IF they became murderers I would wonder why?? What happened that made them feel that killing another was their only way out of something. I would not judge them for it, and would be by their side until I no longer could be. People who make these kinds of choices do so for reasons far beyond a desire to sin. What is sin?? Who decides what sin is, and if God created everything, he created sin then, no?? If he created sin, then he is capable of being in the presence of sin. As a matter of fact, one who creates can not create something that they do not identify with. So then, if you follow that logic, GOD KNOWS AND HAS SIN! Sin/Evil is the opposite of God. The Ying and Yang if you will. The balance. I believe God has everything in balance. God is Balance and Balance is God. Just as God is Love. Evil is hate Love is God. Is God the balance or is he the good?? You can't both be the balance and the good. And you are wrong, the opposite of evil............is TRUTH!

Plainome Joined Sat 08/30/08 Posts: 363	Sat 09/13/08 02:06 PM
Exactly the same................you aren't going to change my mind. I know what unconditional love is.............and what it is not. We have no clue what unconditional love is. Dont lie to yourself. Excuse me?!? You may not know or understand, but to claim that No one does, is to claim to know all..........and you don't. I have experienced it more times than I can count on one hand. It is probably the only truth in a world full of lies............. P.S. Everyone "lies" to themselves until they are capable of seeing the truth........but being aware of that fact is the first step.........maybe instead of judging whether I do, you should take a hard look at yourself.

guitaedreams Joined Fri 09/05/08 Posts: 278	Sat 09/13/08 02:07 PM
yay i finally made a thread without any harsh feedback towards me lol. i guess Mary isnt on

Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sat 09/13/08 02:08 PM
Hello Plainome..... Boy did you just Bite!!! Hahahaha!!! I find it fascinating that those that say they know, and decide for you what you know.... are usually the ones who are clueless..

hinkypoepoe Joined Mon 08/04/08 Posts: 360	Sat 09/13/08 02:12 PM
Exactly the same................you aren't going to change my mind. I know what unconditional love is.............and what it is not. What is the big deal here. All you have to do(to avoid hell) is tell God your sorry for your sins and ask for forgivness through is sons passion for US! and mean it and genuenly and freely choose to love him. WoW...is that to much to ask??? Which god, am I supposed to ask? Your god, his god? her god? Their god? Which god? The one true God. The one who wants the best for you and all of your brothers and sisters. The God of love and forgiveness. The God of righteous anger and vengeance. The God who set everything in motion and created every atom that exist. I AM THAT I AM. The awesome dude who gave us everything. Not the one that wants you to hate and divide and debase yourself and others. Not the one who loves greed and anger and theft and lies. God is a male figure …so I don’t want to hear any crap from the fema –nazi’s party here.

hinkypoepoe Joined Mon 08/04/08 Posts: 360	Sat 09/13/08 02:14 PM
Exactly the same................you aren't going to change my mind. I know what unconditional love is.............and what it is not. What is the big deal here? All you have to do (to avoid hell) is tell God your sorry for your sins and ask for forgiveness through is sons passion for US! And mean it and genuinely and freely choose to love him. Wow...is that to much to ask??? I mean his son toke care of the hard part. Do what ya want after all its your funeral…Haaa haaaa. That would imply that I believe this being has the power to forgive me of sin, when imo, you can only sin against yourself........and therefore only you can grant yourself forgiveness. No, it means he will let you back in to the club house.

guitaedreams Joined Fri 09/05/08 Posts: 278	Sat 09/13/08 02:14 PM
Exactly the same................you aren't going to change my mind. I know what unconditional love is.............and what it is not. What is the big deal here. All you have to do(to avoid hell) is tell God your sorry for your sins and ask for forgivness through is sons passion for US! and mean it and genuenly and freely choose to love him. WoW...is that to much to ask??? Which god, am I supposed to ask? Your god, his god? her god? Their god? Which god? The one true God. The one who wants the best for you and all of your brothers and sisters. The God of love and forgiveness. The God of righteous anger and vengeance. The God who set everything in motion and created every atom that exist. I AM THAT I AM. The awesome dude who gave us everything. Not the one that wants you to hate and divide and debase yourself and others. Not the one who loves greed and anger and theft and lies. God is a male figure …so I don’t want to hear any crap from the fema –nazi’s party here. i doubt the creator of the universe has a penis. thats a very primitive way of thinking

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sat 09/13/08 02:15 PM
Exactly the same................you aren't going to change my mind. I know what unconditional love is.............and what it is not. What is the big deal here. All you have to do(to avoid hell) is tell God your sorry for your sins and ask for forgivness through is sons passion for US! and mean it and genuenly and freely choose to love him. WoW...is that to much to ask??? Which god, am I supposed to ask? Your god, his god? her god? Their god? Which god? The one true God. The one who wants the best for you and all of your brothers and sisters. The God of love and forgiveness. The God of righteous anger and vengeance. The God who set everything in motion and created every atom that exist. I AM THAT I AM. The awesome dude who gave us everything. Not the one that wants you to hate and divide and debase yourself and others. Not the one who loves greed and anger and theft and lies. God is a male figure …so I don’t want to hear any crap from the fema –nazi’s party here. Femanazi's huh? Is your boy god (who claims to make life) in fact Popeye? "I am that I am" Does he eat spinach and beat up Bluto?

Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sat 09/13/08 02:17 PM Edited by Jess642 on Sat 09/13/08 02:19 PM
The one true God. The one who wants the best for you and all of your brothers and sisters. The God of love and forgiveness. The God of righteous anger and vengeance. The God who set everything in motion and created every atom that exist. I AM THAT I AM. The awesome dude who gave us everything. Not the one that wants you to hate and divide and debase yourself and others. Not the one who loves greed and anger and theft and lies. God is a male figure …so I don’t want to hear any crap from the fema –nazi’s party here. So your god, the one full of love peace and brown rice? The forgiving gentle god? So what happened to you? Your post is hilarious..the god of luuuuurve, then the hateful human male penism anti femi nazi hating agenda... Bring it on!!! I just so love hipocrisy.

Plainome Joined Sat 08/30/08 Posts: 363	Sat 09/13/08 02:23 PM
The one true God. The one who wants the best for you and all of your brothers and sisters. The God of love and forgiveness. The God of righteous anger and vengeance. The God who set everything in motion and created every atom that exist. I AM THAT I AM. The awesome dude who gave us everything. Not the one that wants you to hate and divide and debase yourself and others. Not the one who loves greed and anger and theft and lies. God is a male figure …so I don’t want to hear any crap from the fema –nazi’s party here. So your god, the one full of love peace and brown rice? The forgiving gentle god? So what happened to you? Your post is hilarious..the god of luuuuurve, then the hateful human male penism anti femi nazi hating agenda... Bring it on!!! I just so love hipocrisy. I second that..... I wonder if Jesus preached to those tax collectors and prostitutes he used to have dinner with........

hinkypoepoe Joined Mon 08/04/08 Posts: 360	Sat 09/13/08 02:28 PM
and if you have ever read the bible before, you would know that God does in fact send you there. Duet 7:10 Absolutely. If an all-powerful God allows anyone to go to hell then he is sending them there. Period. Some people even say that God weeps when someone goes to hell. But that's absurd. Why would God be weeping? If the person deserves to go to hell there's nothing to weep about. If they don't deserve to go to hell then something's drastically wrong with the system. It's as simple as that. The idea that a God would allow any decent person to go to hell just because they didn't appease the arrogant Christians is the most asburd thing I can imagine. It's much more likely that the arrogant Christians would be the ones are their way to hell. Even Jesus said that there will be many who claim to know him but he will not acknowledge them. People think they can 'save' themselves just by claiming to be a born again Christian. But they don't have the power to do that. Who are they to tell Jesus who he will or will not 'save'? They are seriously kidding themselves when they start judging. In fact, Jesus said that we will be judged as we judge others. So if Jesus tells the truth, then the Christians are in some deep sh't. If your child became a prostitute or a murderer or a child molester etc. You would despise their actions but would still love the child that you created. The loss of what might have been or became of your child if they had only made the right discussions would be the thing that would break your heart and make you weep. Not to mention God knows what awaits us in hell...we only have an idea. If my child became a prostitute I would see it as her choice. I would wonder if it were due to a lack of money and out of necessity. I would wonder if she simply looked at it as a job.........I would not judge her, nor would I not be in her life anymore because she chose such a thing. If one or both of my children became child molesters, I would want to find them help as I believe it to be a psychological disorder, not necessarily a simple matter of choosing evil over good, but something that is deep seated that causes them to get sexually excited at the thought of another child. I would not judge them, or hate them, of kick them out of my life..........I would be concerned for them and try to keep them away from children. IF they became murderers I would wonder why?? What happened that made them feel that killing another was their only way out of something. I would not judge them for it, and would be by their side until I no longer could be. People who make these kinds of choices do so for reasons far beyond a desire to sin. What is sin?? Who decides what sin is, and if God created everything, he created sin then, no?? If he created sin, then he is capable of being in the presence of sin. As a matter of fact, one who creates can not create something that they do not identify with. So then, if you follow that logic, GOD KNOWS AND HAS SIN! Sin/Evil is the opposite of God. The Ying and Yang if you will. The balance. I believe God has everything in balance. God is Balance and Balance is God. Just as God is Love. Evil is hate Love is God. Is God the balance or is he the good?? You can't both be the balance and the good. And you are wrong, the opposite of evil............is TRUTH! Evil is a 2x4 plank of wood floating in the perfection of the Pacific Ocean. Evil is a blemish on the rear end of a mosquito flying through the grand canyon of Gods perfect creation called the universe. In fact Evil to God is probably like a Q-tip that he uses to clean his left ear with. He would obliterate it if it wasn’t for his love for us. So, he loves us so much that he takes time out of his hectic schedule to crush it. Why? so that he can save us. As humans we really have a self important view of ourselves don’t you think. Gods Goodness ,His mercy and Love is greater than the greatest thing you can ever Imagine. We were his experiment in case you have forgotten. I mean he will crush and obliterate evil one day. He will do what he wants when he wants to do it. He is the BALANCE of all that is great and pure. We are not.

hinkypoepoe Joined Mon 08/04/08 Posts: 360	Sat 09/13/08 02:30 PM
and if you have ever read the bible before, you would know that God does in fact send you there. Duet 7:10 Absolutely. If an all-powerful God allows anyone to go to hell then he is sending them there. Period. Some people even say that God weeps when someone goes to hell. But that's absurd. Why would God be weeping? If the person deserves to go to hell there's nothing to weep about. If they don't deserve to go to hell then something's drastically wrong with the system. It's as simple as that. The idea that a God would allow any decent person to go to hell just because they didn't appease the arrogant Christians is the most asburd thing I can imagine. It's much more likely that the arrogant Christians would be the ones are their way to hell. Even Jesus said that there will be many who claim to know him but he will not acknowledge them. People think they can 'save' themselves just by claiming to be a born again Christian. But they don't have the power to do that. Who are they to tell Jesus who he will or will not 'save'? They are seriously kidding themselves when they start judging. In fact, Jesus said that we will be judged as we judge others. So if Jesus tells the truth, then the Christians are in some deep sh't. If your child became a prostitute or a murderer or a child molester etc. You would despise their actions but would still love the child that you created. The loss of what might have been or became of your child if they had only made the right discussions would be the thing that would break your heart and make you weep. Not to mention God knows what awaits us in hell...we only have an idea. If my child became a prostitute I would see it as her choice. I would wonder if it were due to a lack of money and out of necessity. I would wonder if she simply looked at it as a job.........I would not judge her, nor would I not be in her life anymore because she chose such a thing. If one or both of my children became child molesters, I would want to find them help as I believe it to be a psychological disorder, not necessarily a simple matter of choosing evil over good, but something that is deep seated that causes them to get sexually excited at the thought of another child. I would not judge them, or hate them, of kick them out of my life..........I would be concerned for them and try to keep them away from children. IF they became murderers I would wonder why?? What happened that made them feel that killing another was their only way out of something. I would not judge them for it, and would be by their side until I no longer could be. People who make these kinds of choices do so for reasons far beyond a desire to sin. What is sin?? Who decides what sin is, and if God created everything, he created sin then, no?? If he created sin, then he is capable of being in the presence of sin. As a matter of fact, one who creates can not create something that they do not identify with. So then, if you follow that logic, GOD KNOWS AND HAS SIN! Sin/Evil is the opposite of God. The Ying and Yang if you will. The balance. I believe God has everything in balance. God is Balance and Balance is God. Just as God is Love. Evil is hate Love is God. Is God the balance or is he the good?? You can't both be the balance and the good. And you are wrong, the opposite of evil............is TRUTH! I thought the opposite of evil was GOOD.

Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sat 09/13/08 02:30 PM
Bwah hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! What's the deal with mr hinky anyways? He's like a religious version of funches... gotta love that! Mr hinky.... why do you get so righteously indignant as to what others believe or practise or apply? It's no skin offa your nose what anyone else does, as long as you are secure in your god, and your relationship with him, the rest is redundant.

hinkypoepoe Joined Mon 08/04/08 Posts: 360	Sat 09/13/08 02:31 PM
Exactly the same................you aren't going to change my mind. I know what unconditional love is.............and what it is not. We have no clue what unconditional love is. Dont lie to yourself. Excuse me?!? You may not know or understand, but to claim that No one does, is to claim to know all..........and you don't. I have experienced it more times than I can count on one hand. It is probably the only truth in a world full of lies............. P.S. Everyone "lies" to themselves until they are capable of seeing the truth........but being aware of that fact is the first step.........maybe instead of judging whether I do, you should take a hard look at yourself. There are always conditions to love...their is no unconditional love here.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sat 09/13/08 02:33 PM
and if you have ever read the bible before, you would know that God does in fact send you there. Duet 7:10 Absolutely. If an all-powerful God allows anyone to go to hell then he is sending them there. Period. Some people even say that God weeps when someone goes to hell. But that's absurd. Why would God be weeping? If the person deserves to go to hell there's nothing to weep about. If they don't deserve to go to hell then something's drastically wrong with the system. It's as simple as that. The idea that a God would allow any decent person to go to hell just because they didn't appease the arrogant Christians is the most asburd thing I can imagine. It's much more likely that the arrogant Christians would be the ones are their way to hell. Even Jesus said that there will be many who claim to know him but he will not acknowledge them. People think they can 'save' themselves just by claiming to be a born again Christian. But they don't have the power to do that. Who are they to tell Jesus who he will or will not 'save'? They are seriously kidding themselves when they start judging. In fact, Jesus said that we will be judged as we judge others. So if Jesus tells the truth, then the Christians are in some deep sh't. If your child became a prostitute or a murderer or a child molester etc. You would despise their actions but would still love the child that you created. The loss of what might have been or became of your child if they had only made the right discussions would be the thing that would break your heart and make you weep. Not to mention God knows what awaits us in hell...we only have an idea. If my child became a prostitute I would see it as her choice. I would wonder if it were due to a lack of money and out of necessity. I would wonder if she simply looked at it as a job.........I would not judge her, nor would I not be in her life anymore because she chose such a thing. If one or both of my children became child molesters, I would want to find them help as I believe it to be a psychological disorder, not necessarily a simple matter of choosing evil over good, but something that is deep seated that causes them to get sexually excited at the thought of another child. I would not judge them, or hate them, of kick them out of my life..........I would be concerned for them and try to keep them away from children. IF they became murderers I would wonder why?? What happened that made them feel that killing another was their only way out of something. I would not judge them for it, and would be by their side until I no longer could be. People who make these kinds of choices do so for reasons far beyond a desire to sin. What is sin?? Who decides what sin is, and if God created everything, he created sin then, no?? If he created sin, then he is capable of being in the presence of sin. As a matter of fact, one who creates can not create something that they do not identify with. So then, if you follow that logic, GOD KNOWS AND HAS SIN! Sin/Evil is the opposite of God. The Ying and Yang if you will. The balance. I believe God has everything in balance. God is Balance and Balance is God. Just as God is Love. Evil is hate Love is God. Is God the balance or is he the good?? You can't both be the balance and the good. And you are wrong, the opposite of evil............is TRUTH! I thought the opposite of evil was GOOD. My money would be on truth also. Good is subjective. Truth is accountability. Its a concept that the religious folks dont seem to feel very comfortable with I've noticed.

hinkypoepoe Joined Mon 08/04/08 Posts: 360	Sat 09/13/08 02:33 PM
Hello Plainome..... Boy did you just Bite!!! Hahahaha!!! I find it fascinating that those that say they know, and decide for you what you know.... are usually the ones who are clueless.. This is how I see things. Not how I expect you to see things...free will again.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Sat 09/13/08 02:35 PM
Stop being so relentlessly argumentative then Hinky. Its smacks of militant conversion tactic.

Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sat 09/13/08 02:38 PM
You kinda shot yourself in the foot there mr hinky with your anti femi nazi crap comment, and god has a penis comments... Antagonistic closed judgemental comments kind of show you for who you are... No free will card for you! (it's not big enough to hide behind). HOWEVER, my unconditional love, without a god with a penis, means I can love you anyway.