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there is no god. sheesh, do you believe in david copperfield too?
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Heaven and Hell is all around us it is your choice
But hell I have been kicked out a few times |
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After all if you refuse to worship him, he will send you to a place where you will be riding and screaming in exquisite pain for ever and ever. So is he? God doesn’t send you to hell...you send you to hell by the choices you make. God says ”Hey I love you so very much …so please don’t jump off that 500 foot cliff” and some of us say “It’s all your fault and I’m jumping off .” Others say “ok…I love you too and I’m going to listen to you because you know a lot more about life than I ever will.” Free will, humility and a strong trust in God is where it’s at my man.Take some personal responsibility for goodness sakes. Just my opinion. Duet 7:10 “For those who CHOOSE to hate him.” Making a choice to hate god. Free will. You chose to hate God you go to hell. Simple really. That is not true at all. You can love him and follow the beliefs of the wrong church and go to hell. You can not hate him and live a good life but not be religious and go to hell. Etc... There are alot of scenerios that do not call for hating god and get you into hell. So not true. |
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After all if you refuse to worship him, he will send you to a place where you will be riding and screaming in exquisite pain for ever and ever. So is he? God doesn’t send you to hell...you send you to hell by the choices you make. God says ”Hey I love you so very much …so please don’t jump off that 500 foot cliff” and some of us say “It’s all your fault and I’m jumping off .” Others say “ok…I love you too and I’m going to listen to you because you know a lot more about life than I ever will.” Free will, humility and a strong trust in God is where it’s at my man.Take some personal responsibility for goodness sakes. Just my opinion. Ok, BUT, IF and I mean "IF" God (of the Bible) is all powerful, all knowing, and created everything..............then that means he created hell, yes?? For what purpose?? And how does not believing that he is God, and not handing over our souls to him mean that we are jumping off a cliff?? You must believe in me, become my devoted servant, or else all is lost?? No thinking for yourself, no life of your own, I gave you life. You know what that sounds like?? It sounds like a mother who is frustrated with her child because her child has gained a mind of his own, and in order to control his behavior she plays the, "I brought you into this world, I can send you out." card. But really, it is an empty threat, she is simply angry because she has little or no control, and is using manipulation to get her way.........or just venting. Btw, the Bible claims that God gave us our souls and that all things will return to God, so how will our souls go to hell, unless he sends them there, and what choice do we have in the matter IF our souls go back to him or not??? And if he owns our souls, then your point about FREE WILL is a moot one. The way the world is now how everything is now...It’s not the way it was supposed to be. We live in this existence and experience it the way it is and we can’t really see that it was originally meant to be paradise. We are in a battle every day. It’s a spiritual and physical battle. We have it in us to be our own kings and Queens and we only have to love and worship the creator of EVERYTHING to be that. The battle that rages everyday is going on because of the strife between God and Satan. God wants his children back and the Devil is corrupting his children every day. God can not look upon sin or have it in his presence so when you choose to not follow Gods laws/rules to live by you turn your back on him. God has rules just like you and me. Everyone has a boss except God…I’m more than ok with that. Then if u were to follow that logic, "God" is not all powerful, all knowing, creator of everything, and in control of everything..........if he were there would be NO war. See, if my children decide to go off and seek their fortunes (since you want to make "God" out to be our father) I would let them go. I would not blame them, nor would I put conditions on whether they were to return. They are ADULTS with their own lives to live. I do not expect worship and obedience from grown children who have a "free will". No offense, but it is complete hogwash to claim that God created all, and is all powerful and all knowing, but yet is at war with his own creation........... Sounds more like, he may be a scientist and his "experiment" went haywire..........by getting a mind of it's own, and that he is trying to gain control again. If the "God" "gave" the "devil" power over the earth........and then went to war with him over the inhabitants of it............then why did he give it to him in the first place?? The earth is exactly as it should be. Everything is exactly as it should be. Harmony and balance exists, we simply choose not to see it/experience it. It is our own minds/hearts that are in turmoil, and it isn't because a lack of belief in some distant God, but because we have lost touch with our true selves............but anyhoo. |
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Edited by
hinkypoepoe
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Sat 09/13/08 01:31 PM
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and if you have ever read the bible before, you would know that God does in fact send you there. Duet 7:10 Absolutely. If an all-powerful God allows anyone to go to hell then he is sending them there. Period. Some people even say that God weeps when someone goes to hell. But that's absurd. Why would God be weeping? If the person deserves to go to hell there's nothing to weep about. If they don't deserve to go to hell then something's drastically wrong with the system. It's as simple as that. The idea that a God would allow any decent person to go to hell just because they didn't appease the arrogant Christians is the most asburd thing I can imagine. It's much more likely that the arrogant Christians would be the ones are their way to hell. Even Jesus said that there will be many who claim to know him but he will not acknowledge them. People think they can 'save' themselves just by claiming to be a born again Christian. But they don't have the power to do that. Who are they to tell Jesus who he will or will not 'save'? They are seriously kidding themselves when they start judging. In fact, Jesus said that we will be judged as we judge others. So if Jesus tells the truth, then the Christians are in some deep sh't. If your child became a prostitute or a murderer or a child molester etc. You would despise their actions but would still love the child that you created. The loss of what might have been or became of your child if they had only made the right decisions would be the thing that would break your heart and make you weep. Not to mention God knows what awaits us in hell...we only have an idea. |
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Edited by
hinkypoepoe
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Sat 09/13/08 01:25 PM
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After all if you refuse to worship him, he will send you to a place where you will be riding and screaming in exquisite pain for ever and ever. So is he? God doesn’t send you to hell...you send you to hell by the choices you make. God says ”Hey I love you so very much …so please don’t jump off that 500 foot cliff” and some of us say “It’s all your fault and I’m jumping off .” Others say “ok…I love you too and I’m going to listen to you because you know a lot more about life than I ever will.” Free will, humility and a strong trust in God is where it’s at my man.Take some personal responsibility for goodness sakes. Just my opinion. Duet 7:10 “For those who CHOOSE to hate him.” Making a choice to hate god. Free will. You chose to hate God you go to hell. Simple really. That is not true at all. You can love him and follow the beliefs of the wrong church and go to hell. You can not hate him and live a good life but not be religious and go to hell. Etc... There are alot of scenerios that do not call for hating god and get you into hell. So not true. Religions are not God. God is God. Religions are created to organize people. One God many religions. Watch a person’s actions that will tell you if they are with God or not. I do believe that Jesus is the son of the one true God. |
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Edited by
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Sat 09/13/08 01:27 PM
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and if you have ever read the bible before, you would know that God does in fact send you there. Duet 7:10 Absolutely. If an all-powerful God allows anyone to go to hell then he is sending them there. Period. Some people even say that God weeps when someone goes to hell. But that's absurd. Why would God be weeping? If the person deserves to go to hell there's nothing to weep about. If they don't deserve to go to hell then something's drastically wrong with the system. It's as simple as that. The idea that a God would allow any decent person to go to hell just because they didn't appease the arrogant Christians is the most asburd thing I can imagine. It's much more likely that the arrogant Christians would be the ones are their way to hell. Even Jesus said that there will be many who claim to know him but he will not acknowledge them. People think they can 'save' themselves just by claiming to be a born again Christian. But they don't have the power to do that. Who are they to tell Jesus who he will or will not 'save'? They are seriously kidding themselves when they start judging. In fact, Jesus said that we will be judged as we judge others. So if Jesus tells the truth, then the Christians are in some deep sh't. If your child became a prostitute or a murderer or a child molester etc. You would despise their actions but would still love the child that you created. The loss of what might have been or became of your child if they had only made the right discussions would be the thing that would break your heart and make you weep. Not to mention God knows what awaits us in hell...we only have an idea. If my child became a prostitute I would see it as her choice. I would wonder if it were due to a lack of money and out of necessity. I would wonder if she simply looked at it as a job.........I would not judge her, nor would I not be in her life anymore because she chose such a thing. If one or both of my children became child molesters, I would want to find them help as I believe it to be a psychological disorder, not necessarily a simple matter of choosing evil over good, but something that is deep seated that causes them to get sexually excited at the thought of another child. I would not judge them, or hate them, of kick them out of my life..........I would be concerned for them and try to keep them away from children. IF they became murderers I would wonder why?? What happened that made them feel that killing another was their only way out of something. I would not judge them for it, and would be by their side until I no longer could be. People who make these kinds of choices do so for reasons far beyond a desire to sin. What is sin?? Who decides what sin is, and if God created everything, he created sin then, no?? If he created sin, then he is capable of being in the presence of sin. As a matter of fact, one who creates can not create something that they do not identify with. So then, if you follow that logic, GOD KNOWS AND HAS SIN! |
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After all if you refuse to worship him, he will send you to a place where you will be riding and screaming in exquisite pain for ever and ever. So is he? God doesn’t send you to hell...you send you to hell by the choices you make. God says ”Hey I love you so very much …so please don’t jump off that 500 foot cliff” and some of us say “It’s all your fault and I’m jumping off .” Others say “ok…I love you too and I’m going to listen to you because you know a lot more about life than I ever will.” Free will, humility and a strong trust in God is where it’s at my man.Take some personal responsibility for goodness sakes. Just my opinion. Duet 7:10 “For those who CHOOSE to hate him.” Making a choice to hate god. Free will. You chose to hate God you go to hell. Simple really. I bet God loves it when people listen to ac/dc I like the music and it hasn’t caused me to murder anyone yet or slit my wrist. See what I mean. Free will BABY!!!!!! |
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People who make these kinds of choices do so for reasons far beyond a desire to sin. What is sin?? Who decides what sin is, and if God created everything, he created sin then, no?? If he created sin, then he is capable of being in the presence of sin. As a matter of fact, one who creates can not create something that they do not identify with. So then, if you follow that logic, GOD KNOWS AND HAS SIN! I agree with you on all counts. 
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After all if you refuse to worship him, he will send you to a place where you will be riding and screaming in exquisite pain for ever and ever. So is he? God doesn’t send you to hell...you send you to hell by the choices you make. God says ”Hey I love you so very much …so please don’t jump off that 500 foot cliff” and some of us say “It’s all your fault and I’m jumping off .” Others say “ok…I love you too and I’m going to listen to you because you know a lot more about life than I ever will.” Free will, humility and a strong trust in God is where it’s at my man.Take some personal responsibility for goodness sakes. Just my opinion. Duet 7:10 “For those who CHOOSE to hate him.” Making a choice to hate god. Free will. You chose to hate God you go to hell. Simple really. I bet God loves it when people listen to ac/dc I like the music and it hasn’t caused me to murder anyone yet or slit my wrist. See what I mean. Free will BABY!!!!!! |
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Edited by
hinkypoepoe
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Sat 09/13/08 01:48 PM
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and if you have ever read the bible before, you would know that God does in fact send you there. Duet 7:10 Absolutely. If an all-powerful God allows anyone to go to hell then he is sending them there. Period. Some people even say that God weeps when someone goes to hell. But that's absurd. Why would God be weeping? If the person deserves to go to hell there's nothing to weep about. If they don't deserve to go to hell then something's drastically wrong with the system. It's as simple as that. The idea that a God would allow any decent person to go to hell just because they didn't appease the arrogant Christians is the most asburd thing I can imagine. It's much more likely that the arrogant Christians would be the ones are their way to hell. Even Jesus said that there will be many who claim to know him but he will not acknowledge them. People think they can 'save' themselves just by claiming to be a born again Christian. But they don't have the power to do that. Who are they to tell Jesus who he will or will not 'save'? They are seriously kidding themselves when they start judging. In fact, Jesus said that we will be judged as we judge others. So if Jesus tells the truth, then the Christians are in some deep sh't. If your child became a prostitute or a murderer or a child molester etc. You would despise their actions but would still love the child that you created. The loss of what might have been or became of your child if they had only made the right discussions would be the thing that would break your heart and make you weep. Not to mention God knows what awaits us in hell...we only have an idea. If my child became a prostitute I would see it as her choice. I would wonder if it were due to a lack of money and out of necessity. I would wonder if she simply looked at it as a job.........I would not judge her, nor would I not be in her life anymore because she chose such a thing. If one or both of my children became child molesters, I would want to find them help as I believe it to be a psychological disorder, not necessarily a simple matter of choosing evil over good, but something that is deep seated that causes them to get sexually excited at the thought of another child. I would not judge them, or hate them, of kick them out of my life..........I would be concerned for them and try to keep them away from children. IF they became murderers I would wonder why?? What happened that made them feel that killing another was their only way out of something. I would not judge them for it, and would be by their side until I no longer could be. People who make these kinds of choices do so for reasons far beyond a desire to sin. What is sin?? Who decides what sin is, and if God created everything, he created sin then, no?? If he created sin, then he is capable of being in the presence of sin. As a matter of fact, one who creates can not create something that they do not identify with. So then, if you follow that logic, GOD KNOWS AND HAS SIN! Ok... what if your child murdered your wonderful husband and two of your other children and then raped you ...how would you feel then? God offers us help every minute of everyday its called our Conscience and the Bible and pain and regret etc. |
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Exactly the same................you aren't going to change my mind.
I know what unconditional love is.............and what it is not. |
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maybe we're all just children of the stars...
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After all if you refuse to worship him, he will send you to a place where you will be riding and screaming in exquisite pain for ever and ever. So is he? God doesn’t send you to hell...you send you to hell by the choices you make. God says ”Hey I love you so very much …so please don’t jump off that 500 foot cliff” and some of us say “It’s all your fault and I’m jumping off .” Others say “ok…I love you too and I’m going to listen to you because you know a lot more about life than I ever will.” Free will, humility and a strong trust in God is where it’s at my man.Take some personal responsibility for goodness sakes. Just my opinion. Duet 7:10 “For those who CHOOSE to hate him.” Making a choice to hate god. Free will. You chose to hate God you go to hell. Simple really. That is not true at all. You can love him and follow the beliefs of the wrong church and go to hell. You can not hate him and live a good life but not be religious and go to hell. Etc... There are alot of scenerios that do not call for hating god and get you into hell. So not true. Thats true. According to what we very often hear espoused by the evangelical Christians, most of us are going directly to hell simply because we choose not to buy into the exact same crap that they do. Its not even good enough to be Christian. You have to subjugate and submit yourself to their belief system or else you haven't "found the truth" in some respect. I wish there could be a little less judging and a little more room for compassion and tolerance. 
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and if you have ever read the bible before, you would know that God does in fact send you there. Duet 7:10 Absolutely. If an all-powerful God allows anyone to go to hell then he is sending them there. Period. Some people even say that God weeps when someone goes to hell. But that's absurd. Why would God be weeping? If the person deserves to go to hell there's nothing to weep about. If they don't deserve to go to hell then something's drastically wrong with the system. It's as simple as that. The idea that a God would allow any decent person to go to hell just because they didn't appease the arrogant Christians is the most asburd thing I can imagine. It's much more likely that the arrogant Christians would be the ones are their way to hell. Even Jesus said that there will be many who claim to know him but he will not acknowledge them. People think they can 'save' themselves just by claiming to be a born again Christian. But they don't have the power to do that. Who are they to tell Jesus who he will or will not 'save'? They are seriously kidding themselves when they start judging. In fact, Jesus said that we will be judged as we judge others. So if Jesus tells the truth, then the Christians are in some deep sh't. If your child became a prostitute or a murderer or a child molester etc. You would despise their actions but would still love the child that you created. The loss of what might have been or became of your child if they had only made the right discussions would be the thing that would break your heart and make you weep. Not to mention God knows what awaits us in hell...we only have an idea. If my child became a prostitute I would see it as her choice. I would wonder if it were due to a lack of money and out of necessity. I would wonder if she simply looked at it as a job.........I would not judge her, nor would I not be in her life anymore because she chose such a thing. If one or both of my children became child molesters, I would want to find them help as I believe it to be a psychological disorder, not necessarily a simple matter of choosing evil over good, but something that is deep seated that causes them to get sexually excited at the thought of another child. I would not judge them, or hate them, of kick them out of my life..........I would be concerned for them and try to keep them away from children. IF they became murderers I would wonder why?? What happened that made them feel that killing another was their only way out of something. I would not judge them for it, and would be by their side until I no longer could be. People who make these kinds of choices do so for reasons far beyond a desire to sin. What is sin?? Who decides what sin is, and if God created everything, he created sin then, no?? If he created sin, then he is capable of being in the presence of sin. As a matter of fact, one who creates can not create something that they do not identify with. So then, if you follow that logic, GOD KNOWS AND HAS SIN! Sin/Evil is the opposite of God. The Ying and Yang if you will. The balance. I believe God has everything in balance. God is Balance and Balance is God. Just as God is Love. Evil is hate Love is God. |
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After all if you refuse to worship him, he will send you to a place where you will be riding and screaming in exquisite pain for ever and ever. So is he? God doesn’t send you to hell...you send you to hell by the choices you make. God says ”Hey I love you so very much …so please don’t jump off that 500 foot cliff” and some of us say “It’s all your fault and I’m jumping off .” Others say “ok…I love you too and I’m going to listen to you because you know a lot more about life than I ever will.” Free will, humility and a strong trust in God is where it’s at my man.Take some personal responsibility for goodness sakes. Just my opinion. Duet 7:10 “For those who CHOOSE to hate him.” Making a choice to hate god. Free will. You chose to hate God you go to hell. Simple really. I bet God loves it when people listen to ac/dc I like the music and it hasn’t caused me to murder anyone yet or slit my wrist. See what I mean. Free will BABY!!!!!! THATS THEIR CHOICE. |
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Exactly the same................you aren't going to change my mind. I know what unconditional love is.............and what it is not. We have no clue what unconditional love is. Dont lie to yourself. |
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Exactly the same................you aren't going to change my mind. I know what unconditional love is.............and what it is not. I dont want to change anyone here. I'm just given my view is all. |
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After all if you refuse to worship him, he will send you to a place where you will be riding and screaming in exquisite pain for ever and ever. So is he? No, but mankind can be.....
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Edited by
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Exactly the same................you aren't going to change my mind. I know what unconditional love is.............and what it is not. What is the big deal here? All you have to do (to avoid hell) is tell God your sorry for your sins and ask for forgiveness through is sons passion for US! And mean it and genuinely and freely choose to love him. Wow...is that to much to ask??? I mean his son toke care of the hard part. Do what ya want after all its your funeral…Haaa haaaa. |
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