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Topic: DID A&Eve have
Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Thu 09/11/08 04:29 PM Edited by Krimsa on Thu 09/11/08 04:29 PM
Yeah the 900 year general lifespan thing is just a little too Marvel Comic for me. Were Adam and Eve created as X-Men and we just all overlooked that side note? I dont think so. This "knowledge of who will live and who will die" is supposed to extend to modern man of course and it began with Cain and Abel. It just immediately took hold with their children and the next generation. It's somewhat involved however. I dont know if you want to hear it.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Thu 09/11/08 04:39 PM
hmmm - where is this coming from? the info?

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Thu 09/11/08 04:41 PM
A writer. If you want his name. Private message.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Thu 09/11/08 04:44 PM
yep sure do thnx

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Thu 09/11/08 05:04 PM
Its just because his name sets fundies off for some reason and last time I posted something about his book it caused a big snit. He has written several books.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Thu 09/11/08 05:09 PM
Its just because his name sets fundies off for some reason and last time I posted something about his book it caused a big snit. He has written several books. ah, well i'm used to that so if your talking darwin or like no problem

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Thu 09/11/08 05:13 PM
Alright, its "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn. Its also really fun to read and entertaining. But also thought provoking. I urge you to just check it out but dont peek. I say this because you will get a really good surprise if you just read the first couple chapters without having asked anyone what it is exactly.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Thu 09/11/08 05:18 PM
Alright, its "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn. Its also really fun to read and entertaining. But also thought provoking. I urge you to just check it out but dont peek. I say this because you will get a really good surprise if you just read the first couple chapters without having asked anyone what it is exactly. ok ill do that thnx.

feralcatlady Joined Mon 10/08/07 Posts: 35491	Fri 09/12/08 07:06 AM
It was after the fall.... well hello ferralpussie, how are you today? are you talking of rome's fall? or the season were entering? or someone tripping? looking forward to christmas are we? - or by chance is this a word from god that my human understanding without the HS cannot yet percieve? ok here's my answer: the night was young. - your turn Hey tribo master........you asked I gave can't be more clear then that. The fall of man was Genesis 3 the kids came in Genesis 4. And did the sin stop hmmmm nope so read on my friends.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Fri 09/12/08 07:15 AM
Tribo you were asking about the mistranslations in the scripture as being part of the reason that the Jews do not accept that Jesus is the true Messiah. I felt a responsibility to look that up. Mind you I am not well read in the study of the ancient Hebrew or their belief system or scrolls or any of it. I know that they kept very detailed records however. This is only one reason Jesus is not qualified for the position as they put it. There are a multitude of mistranslations. MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text -- which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation. A. VIRGIN BIRTH The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

TheLonelyWalker Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 11870	Fri 09/12/08 08:54 AM
sex before the fall in the garden? I don't think so, since these two individuals are just alegorical characters. How can two alegorical characters have sex when you need two alive individuals in order to have intercourse? Further, in the impossible event that Adam and Eve were to real people what relevance would have had if they had sex or not before the fall? It would not affect life in the least.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Fri 09/12/08 08:55 AM
sex before the fall in the garden? I don't think so, since these two individuals are just alegorical characters. How can two alegorical characters have sex when you need two alive individuals in order to have intercourse? Further, in the impossible event that Adam and Eve were to real people what relevance would have had if they had sex or not before the fall? It would not affect life in the least. Yaa! Good answer. Wow, thanks for posting a photo finally. You are so much younger than I had mentally pictured. Partly because you are so easy going and well read.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 09/12/08 11:25 AM
Tribo you were asking about the mistranslations in the scripture as being part of the reason that the Jews do not accept that Jesus is the true Messiah. I felt a responsibility to look that up. Mind you I am not well read in the study of the ancient Hebrew or their belief system or scrolls or any of it. I know that they kept very detailed records however. This is only one reason Jesus is not qualified for the position as they put it. There are a multitude of mistranslations. MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text -- which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation. A. VIRGIN BIRTH The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods. I'm sorry K, i was not saying mistranslations, i meant they did not see that there were two faces/lives/comings/purposes that the messiah was to fulfill, they only saw the conquering messiah that would come and free them from their tyrannical bondage and set up an earthly kingdom to rule the world from, they were blinded [for the most part] to the suffering messiah that was to be Christ first mission when he arrived and afterwords his coming again to reign. sorry for the confusion.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 09/12/08 11:28 AM
It was after the fall.... well hello ferralpussie, how are you today? are you talking of rome's fall? or the season were entering? or someone tripping? looking forward to christmas are we? - or by chance is this a word from god that my human understanding without the HS cannot yet percieve? ok here's my answer: the night was young. - your turn Hey tribo master........you asked I gave can't be more clear then that. The fall of man was Genesis 3 the kids came in Genesis 4. And did the sin stop hmmmm nope so read on my friends. well my lady i think your correct - it was after the fall and not before - see even we can agree on something once in a while

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Fri 09/12/08 11:58 AM Edited by Krimsa on Fri 09/12/08 12:08 PM
Tribo you were asking about the mistranslations in the scripture as being part of the reason that the Jews do not accept that Jesus is the true Messiah. I felt a responsibility to look that up. Mind you I am not well read in the study of the ancient Hebrew or their belief system or scrolls or any of it. I know that they kept very detailed records however. This is only one reason Jesus is not qualified for the position as they put it. There are a multitude of mistranslations. MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text -- which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation. A. VIRGIN BIRTH The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods. I'm sorry K, i was not saying mistranslations, i meant they did not see that there were two faces/lives/comings/purposes that the messiah was to fulfill, they only saw the conquering messiah that would come and free them from their tyrannical bondage and set up an earthly kingdom to rule the world from, they were blinded [for the most part] to the suffering messiah that was to be Christ first mission when he arrived and afterwords his coming again to reign. sorry for the confusion. Oh I realize that. That is generally what I assumed also. That's because Jesus was kind of passive and laid back and genuinely a nice man so the Jews just didnt want him. They wanted a bad ass. But its not just that. The Hebrews had a VERY specific criteria. It was not only a "warrior" type. The misinterpretations are only one problem as it relates to the true Messiah. The list is quite extensive. In their minds, he just wasn't it. To me personally, it makes no difference. I just asked because of your "bride" analogy and I felt I better at least try to address the reasons they did not want him.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 09/12/08 01:21 PM
Tribo you were asking about the mistranslations in the scripture as being part of the reason that the Jews do not accept that Jesus is the true Messiah. I felt a responsibility to look that up. Mind you I am not well read in the study of the ancient Hebrew or their belief system or scrolls or any of it. I know that they kept very detailed records however. This is only one reason Jesus is not qualified for the position as they put it. There are a multitude of mistranslations. MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text -- which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation. A. VIRGIN BIRTH The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods. I'm sorry K, i was not saying mistranslations, i meant they did not see that there were two faces/lives/comings/purposes that the messiah was to fulfill, they only saw the conquering messiah that would come and free them from their tyrannical bondage and set up an earthly kingdom to rule the world from, they were blinded [for the most part] to the suffering messiah that was to be Christ first mission when he arrived and afterwords his coming again to reign. sorry for the confusion. Oh I realize that. That is generally what I assumed also. That's because Jesus was kind of passive and laid back and genuinely a nice man so the Jews just didnt want him. They wanted a bad ass. But its not just that. The Hebrews had a VERY specific criteria. It was not only a "warrior" type. The misinterpretations are only one problem as it relates to the true Messiah. The list is quite extensive. In their minds, he just wasn't it. To me personally, it makes no difference. I just asked because of your "bride" analogy and I felt I better at least try to address the reasons they did not want him. ok gotcha!

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Fri 09/12/08 01:29 PM Edited by Krimsa on Fri 09/12/08 01:30 PM
Moreover: 1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will: A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 09/12/08 01:37 PM
Moreover: 1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will: A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies. correct, this is why i said this is to supposedly to be accomplished on his return. and yes, the reason why they can't put their faith or trust or anything else in him.

Krimsa Joined Fri 04/25/08 Posts: 9960	Fri 09/12/08 01:39 PM
Yeah I dont think "his return" matters to the Jews. That's a Christian preoccupation. You are bettin that pony. They arent. They are still waiting I guess...

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 09/12/08 02:11 PM
Yeah I dont think "his return" matters to the Jews. That's a Christian preoccupation. You are bettin that pony. They arent. They are still waiting I guess... yep, sure are - except for the ones who have become christians anyway.