Topic: Is Sarah Palin ready to be President?
RedHen's photo
Thu 09/11/08 10:51 PM


This is the a lot different than what liberal detractors say about this, which ius why Governor Palin asked the same question I did.yawn huh





THE BUSH DOCTRINE



The Bush Doctrine holds that the national security of the United States and the West can only be guaranteed by all countries adopting democracy and the rule of law. That democracies don’t fight other brother democracies. Their people would rather drink beer then make war. Democracy can only be spread through example and formulation of alliances. Its implementation aided through trade, economic aid, and the creation of free trade blocks - never though the use of force. Employing the sword to spread democracy is a true oxymoron.



The EU is one of the most important entities to the success of the Bush Doctrine. Europe is building a country composed of independent nation states. This mission is truly heroic and historic. One of the great success stories in the history of democracy was the EU accessionof 10 former Eastern European nations in 2004. One hundred million people brought home to Europe as free and democratic peoples. After two world wars and the death of 110 million people in the space of 30 years – this was a remarkable achievement.



Unfortunately the EU has recently lost its way. The future of the USA and the West depends on the successful completion of the European experiment. The United States must meet withBrussels and put together an action plan to complete EU expansion and create a free trade zone of democratic nations stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific and from the Arctic to the Antarctic (2.4 billion people) As part of the implementation of the Bush Doctrine, Washington should implore the EU to fulfill its destiny – a Europe without borders – a Europe without divisions.



EU Membership Declaration



All nations bordering the EU have a moral right to join provided they meet one of the following 3 criteria:



1.European Country

2.European nation.

3.European people.



Brussels sends letters of invitation to Russia, Belorussia, Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia - the Balkan States of Serbia, Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Bosnia. These letters of invitation start a 15 year process of moving these nations through the 35 chapters of the legal accession requirements. The final accession agreement with each country will depend on Europe’s economic and political status in 2021. No promises. No guarantees. By placing each of these countries on a path to membership, there will be an immediate flowering of democracy and economy in all these states. Brussels does not have the moral right to deny any of these countries entry (unless they fail in the 35 chapter process). Ukrainians are as European as the French or Germans. To leave the Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova without access to Europe - forcing them into a Russian Empire and loss of their national sovereignty would be a criminal act equal to Munich or the selling out of Eastern Europe to Stalin and the Soviets. A black stain on future European history.



Obviously, Russia will not join the EU. However in the letter of invitation to Russia, Europe should also offer a Super Special Relationship incorporating Russia not only into a NAFTA style free trade agreement but a special political and economic partnership bringing it as a major player into the very heart of Europe. Russia would be allowed to elect delegates to the European Parliament based on 25/40% of its total allotment as if it was a full fledged member. These delegates would participate in all committees, vote on all issues, but with no veto power. Russia cannot and must not be isolated by the West. A full and equal partnership between Russia and the EU must be offered to the Russian people. In return Russia must democratize its political institutions. If the Russian government refuses then Russia will not be able to complain when other nations decide to join. And the EU leaves the offer on the table as a demonstration to the Russian people of a different vision their economic and political future – a vision in direct conflict with Putin’s national repression and domination of its Near Abroad neighbors through energy blackmail.



The strategy is for Brussels to offer Russia an equal partnership in a free trade zone incorporating the Ukraine, Turkey, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, the 5 Stan states and Mongolia. This free trade zone would then be joined to NAFTA ( US/Canada/Mexico) creating an economic giant of 1.4 billion people. This giant is then expanded to include South and Central America (2.4 billion). In this free trade zone, Russia, the Stan states, Ukraine, Turkey etc are granted full access to Western markets for trade, investment and technology. The EU is guaranteed energy security – the very essence of the NAFTA Agreement between Canada and the United States. (Canada was given access to the US market and in return Canada guaranteed the US - energy security,)



Through this free trade alliance with guaranteed access to the EU and NAFTA - the Russian economy will be able to break the petrol strangle hold Gasprom etc have over the economy. Growth in the other economic sectors of the Russian economy with access to a market of 1.4 billion plus people will explode.



In this way a Europe without borders living in peace and security can be created stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific.



THE DEMOCRATIZATION OF GLOBALIZATION



The West must move immediately to dramatically correct the massive trade imbalances that they have allowed China to accumulate. This means the reallocation of $ 350 billion of production out of China and into third world democratic countries. This would be done over a 10 year period i.e. 35 billion/year. (The United States presently sells $28 billion to China and imports $228billion – a whopping $200 billion deficit. A real sucker’s deal if there ever was one. A sucker’s deal that is devastating the wages and economic future of the American Middle Class. The EU has a deficit of $150 billion. Sucker number 2.) These countries include Mexico, Central and South America, India, and Africa where the US $200 billion share would be shifted. The EU $150 billion - to Romania, Bulgaria, the Balkans, Ukraine, Turkey, Georgia, Armenia the 5 Stan States. The only stipulation is that these countries must purchase an equivalent amount of high end production from the US and the EU to modernize their economies. In this way everybody wins. The US/EU dramatically reduces their trade deficit. The $200 billion coming back into the US/EU economy in high end technology jobs translates into an $800 billion economic bonanza. An economic bonanza for the besiegedMiddle Classes of both the US and EU. The benefits of Globalization goes to the needy hard working poor of democratic nations. And the hard working down trodden Middle Classes of the West. The pouring of its trade imbalance with China by the EU into its Near Abroad will dramatically shift the balance of power to democratic forces of the Ukraine, Turkey, the Stan States etc and drastically reduce the costs of the EU eventually absorbing these counties as member states. Globalization becomes a vehicle not to enrich one greedy, criminal state but to benefit the entire third world.

As previously explained - the transfer of trade wealth from the West to the third world and spreading it around comes back to the West through the purchase of high end technology to be used to modernize these third world countries. Trade becomes a tool to spread freedom and democracy - The Democratization of Globalization.





EU and TURKEY



Another cornerstone of the Bush Doctrine is Turkey’s accession to Europe. It is absolutely essential to the national security of both EU and Russia that Turkey join the European Union. The last thing that the EU and Russia want is a destabilized Turkey – again the Sick Man of Europe – turning to nationalism and Islamic extremism. However we must be honest right from the start – there is no way Turkey will be allowed to join the EU unless a different approach is employed by both sides.



This is the defining moment in Turkish history. Turkey stands at a crossroad – completing its historical move to the West started by Kemal Ataturk in the 1920’s or away from the West and toward political Islam. We must do everything to ensure a Western future for Turkey.



Turkey must first of all realize that even if it was a 99.9% Christian country, the EU would still not want it as a member. Europe suffers from expansion fatigue. A phony disease designed by European politicians to keep others from sharing the economic fruits and power of the EU. After 9/11 and the bombings in Spain and London, and given that Turkey is 99% Moslem this sentiment has only increased. People are scared. Europe fears millions of poor, conservative, uneducated masses pouring across its borders and living on its streets, in its subway systems. Self segregating ghettos. Unwilling to integrate. Hostile to their new homelands. A European Nightmare.



In order to overcome this fear, the following strategy should be implemented:



Turks have to realize that joining the EU involves the Europeanization of Turkey not the Turkization of Europe. A long road started by Ataturk completing the Westernization and secularization of Turkey. Political Islam is rejected.



While Turkey is fulfilling its membership requirements, (an estimated 15 year process) both governments start an educational program whereby every class/ school in Turkey has a corresponding class/school in France, Germany, Austria and Netherlands. In this way through the internet and other means of communication - each Turkey child attending school has a soul mate of similar age in Europe to correspond and grow up with. At least once during the next 15 years, both governments fund entire schools from Turkey traveling to Europe to meet their pen pals and vice versa.



Secondly, Turkey signs the Universal Declaration Of Religious Rights and Freedoms – renouncing all violence in religion, total equality of sexes, religious freedom, equality of all mankind, intellectual freedom and democratic rule of law. (For this declaration go to: www.godofreason.com) Both governments put together a civics class lecture explaining the EU structure, laws, history (European and Turkey), religious non violence, women rights etc. to be taught from first grade thru university to all students.



Upon completion of the 35 chapters, Turkey joins Europe but with the stipulation that the right of migration will be considered only when Turkey’s GDP grows to 85% of the old 15 member states and unemployment is reduced to 9%. A face saving mechanism for both sides. Studies have shown that very few people want to leave their homes unless forced to by a lack of economic opportunity. In a prosperous economy with income and unemployment levels at the stated criteria very few Turks will migrate to Europe. Upon joining - Turkey’s economy will boom and over time rise to a GDP rivaling the original founders. In the meantime, as Europe enters an era of massive labor shortages due to population decline, then Turks with skills needed by industry could apply on a priority basis for special working visas. Only in this way will Turkey be allowed to join. The peoples of France, Austria and the Netherlands who oppose Turkey’s entry should be persuaded by the above arrangement. Turkey joins Brussels with all the rights of membership. The feared right of migration is formalized later when GDP and unemployment criteria are met. By that time very few will want to leave except to visit.



The same formula to be employed for the Ukraine, Georgia etc. to show full equality of treatment.



Finally, to help Turkey resolve its Kurdish minority crisis, the EU sends a delegation to the Kurdish areas of Turkey to explain to them what a European future means and their place in a united democratic Turkey where all their rights are guaranteed. Allocates funds to re- build entire communities ravaged by civil war. (Over one million Kurds were made homeless.) An EU/ Turkey delegation travels to Kurdistan and offers the Kurds - a Special Relationship in Europe just short of actual membership - a special autonomous status - not nation state status. Kurdistan is guaranteed trade access, economic assistance, employment opportunities, education and technology – in short all the benefits of belonging to the EU. In return, they must implement freedom and democracy to all citizens including the Turkmen and Arabs, agree to share the oil wealth of Kurkik and if Iraq does not break apart, then the oil wealth of Kurdistan. And complete the 35 chapters. End the safe haven in the Kurdish mountains for both Kurdish rebels from Turkey and Iran. This special relationship will guarantee the future of Kurds. And remove a big thorn from Turkey’s political life. In this way the EU stabilizes both Turkey and Northern Iraq.



There can be no political correctness applied to Turkey’s membership bid. They must complete all the 35 chapters. And Turks keep their Secular Democratic Republic. In return the EU allows Turkey to join.





THE BUSH DOCTRINE AND THE PALESTINIANS



It is absolutely essential that a solution be found to the Israeli – Palestine conflict. This conflict is a cancer that eats away at the Middle East. The EU has an historical opportunity to bring it to an end. Just as the EU brings freedom and democracy - a European future to the Kurds - so to the EU can bring a European future to Israel and Palestine.



The EU offers both Israeli and Palestinians - a Super Special Relationship – all the benefits of membership except a veto power. Businessmen from both countries will enjoy full access to the EU market - the people of both countries - full access to political institutions, technology, educational institutions, funding, employment etc.



In return, the Palestinians must:



1.Recognize Israel.

2.Cease all attacks.

3.Complete all the 35 chapters.

4. Eventually Jews allowed to live in the West Bank.



Israel must:



1.Withdraw all forces from the West Bank.

2.Dismantle all settlements except the 2 large ones adjacent to the wall.

3.Stop all building in Jerusalem Palestinian areas.

4.Allow East Jerusalem to be Palestinian Capital.

5.Complete all 35 chapters.

6.Eventually Palestinians allowed to live in Israel. (quid pro quo basis)



In order to ensure that terrorists do not smuggle 15,000 rockets into West Bank Cities, the EU/Natio and UN send an army of 10,000 to both the West Bank and Gaza Strip to secure the borders. Although the diehards will never give up their aim of destroying Israel – the Palestinian people by joining with Europe are guaranteeing the future of their children. Businessmen can produce goods and services for a market, not of 4 million but of 500 million and a free trade zone of 1.4 /2.4 billion (3 billion with the Middle East Free Trade Zone). With no violence, the Gaza Strip could become a mini Beirut with multi - billion European investments in tourism and hotels. Its future guaranteed. The Palestinians would have to be mad not to jump at this EU OPPORTUNITY. If they do not then screw them. No more money. No more aid. IT’S TIME FOR TOUGH LOVE PALESTINIAN STYLE.



A peace settlement engineered by the EU dramatically alters the war on terror - the relationship between the West and Islam and democracy throughout the Arab world. The Bush Doctrine takes its historical place in World History.







Time for leadership.

Time for historical greatness.

Time for vision.





CONTACT



Larry Houle



E-mail: intermedusa@yahoo.com








That's not the Bush Doctrine, you idiot.

And, oh, wow, you can Google. And cut and paste!

And my original post was correct.

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Fri 09/12/08 12:20 AM
The answer as to the "definition of Bush Doctrine" is NOT straightforward - it means more than one thing to different people. Palin was right to be cautious about it. Sure she was nervous but not to the point of having severe difficulties in the interview.

As I understand it (after looking it back up again) the term "Bush Doctrine) was initially used to describe the attack on Afghanistan harboring Al Qaeda - that is if you harbor and support terrorists attacking us then we are justified in pursuit of the terrorists and elimination of their support. This was the original definition. Only later did people extend this definition to include the general concept of pre-emptive strike (Iraq) which was cited in the interview as the interviewer's understanding of the term and this IS different from the original policy. Finally, many others appear to think of it as including the spread of democratic values and a policy of unilateral action on the part of the U.S.

In the document "National Security Strategy of the United States" which discussed these issues several additional policies are elaborated.

From the Wiki,

"The Bush Doctrine is summed up in the National Security Strategy released in 2002. In it, Bush lays out eight different points on how his administration would handle foreign policy. They include: champion aspirations for human dignity, strengthen alliances to defeat global terrorism and work to prevent attacks against the US and its friends, work with others to defuse regional conflicts, prevent the enemies of the US from threatening it, its allies and friends with weapons of mass destruction, ignite a new era of global economic growth through free markets and free trade, expand the circle of development by opening societies and building the infrastructure of democracy, and develop agendas for cooperative action with the other main centers of global power.[5] Out of the National Security Stategy, four main points are highlighted as the core to the Bush Doctrine: Preemption, Military Primacy, New Multilateralism, and the Spread of Democracy.[8]"


The term "Bush doctine" means up to at least 8 different things to different people and refers to an evolving policy. Palin's response in getting a good definition first before answering looks smart in addition to cautious. So, I give her a pass on this one. Those who attack her on it are going to look like nit-pickers rather than keen observers.

laugh

Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, Afghanistan, radical Islamic militants, Saddam Hussein, Iran, and Iraq were all well known top threats to the U.S. long before Sept. 11, 2001. The Bush administration badly mishandled several aspects of combating these threats but the threats were always serious and real and all of them had demonstrated a desire, capability and willingness to attack the U.S. directly. That's a fact and such threats were not going to be tolerated post Sept. 11, 2001 although it is fair to argue that W "mis-underestimated" and "over-reacted".

laugh

wouldee's photo
Fri 09/12/08 01:38 AM
Edited by wouldee on Fri 09/12/08 01:41 AM
while Bush got charged up with an excuse to go after Sadaam who had put out a contract to whack Bush Sr., he also had the same idea as the one that struck me after he had engaged the military to intervene in Iraq.

That was to call the terrorists and militants and mercenaries to come and get it, and bring it on.

It seemed to me, at the time, to be a wise and unsaid assumption that such a strategy had been in mind from the outset, and judging by Bush's comments to that effect after he felt confident that the US Military could hold its own indefinitely on Iraqi soil with impunity, it appeared to be the case as well.

Well , they came to play and die for their jihad.:wink: laugh

I have known expatriated iraqis since the early 80s and know what was going on under Sadaam from their mouths, and I also believe that Bush had no clue of what to expect from the Iraqis when Sadaam was removed from his iroinclad control of those people. They were placed into one nation not by themselves and would more likely , even now, prefer for themselves to be divided into three nations, at the least. But when the British left the region after WW1, it was left as it is. That is a problem.

Thus, the civil war that broke out and the US Military was faced with refereeing that.

That is Bush's incompetence. His advisors dropped that ball badly. He dealt with it, though.

He adapted and improvised and listened to the Military and Mc Cain, more than any other, in due course, even if out of frustration. laugh

Being a internationalist, much like his father, W has shown himself to attempt to bring some nobler good to the confligration, but whether that is wise and just to impose on another nation is for history to decide now.

The fact remains, we have seen the page turned on how terrorism is dealt with as an act of war and no longer as a law enforcement burden within nations.

That change is materially an improvement for the world to digest as an effective means of eradicating the world of sleeper cells harbored by any nation claiming to be not culpable for the actions of a group not bearing the flag of the host nation giving sanctuary.

That is a big deal.

It also makes it harder for romantics to entertain thoughts of a revolution even within this nation, given the ramifications of this paridigm shift in "unflagged" warfare.

what?huh

That isn't on the mind of Americans?ohwell

Sure it is.


This nation is incredibly gifted and we are not altogether gifted in graceful maturity.

but we are working on it.


flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile


onistei's photo
Fri 09/12/08 02:08 AM

The answer as to the "definition of Bush Doctrine" is NOT straightforward - it means more than one thing to different people. Palin was right to be cautious about it. Sure she was nervous but not to the point of having severe difficulties in the interview.

As I understand it (after looking it back up again) the term "Bush Doctrine) was initially used to describe the attack on Afghanistan harboring Al Qaeda - that is if you harbor and support terrorists attacking us then we are justified in pursuit of the terrorists and elimination of their support. This was the original definition. Only later did people extend this definition to include the general concept of pre-emptive strike (Iraq) which was cited in the interview as the interviewer's understanding of the term and this IS different from the original policy. Finally, many others appear to think of it as including the spread of democratic values and a policy of unilateral action on the part of the U.S.

In the document "National Security Strategy of the United States" which discussed these issues several additional policies are elaborated.

From the Wiki,

"The Bush Doctrine is summed up in the National Security Strategy released in 2002. In it, Bush lays out eight different points on how his administration would handle foreign policy. They include: champion aspirations for human dignity, strengthen alliances to defeat global terrorism and work to prevent attacks against the US and its friends, work with others to defuse regional conflicts, prevent the enemies of the US from threatening it, its allies and friends with weapons of mass destruction, ignite a new era of global economic growth through free markets and free trade, expand the circle of development by opening societies and building the infrastructure of democracy, and develop agendas for cooperative action with the other main centers of global power.[5] Out of the National Security Stategy, four main points are highlighted as the core to the Bush Doctrine: Preemption, Military Primacy, New Multilateralism, and the Spread of Democracy.[8]"


The term "Bush doctine" means up to at least 8 different things to different people and refers to an evolving policy. Palin's response in getting a good definition first before answering looks smart in addition to cautious. So, I give her a pass on this one. Those who attack her on it are going to look like nit-pickers rather than keen observers.

laugh

Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, Afghanistan, radical Islamic militants, Saddam Hussein, Iran, and Iraq were all well known top threats to the U.S. long before Sept. 11, 2001. The Bush administration badly mishandled several aspects of combating these threats but the threats were always serious and real and all of them had demonstrated a desire, capability and willingness to attack the U.S. directly. That's a fact and such threats were not going to be tolerated post Sept. 11, 2001 although it is fair to argue that W "mis-underestimated" and "over-reacted".

laugh



I completely agree with you here..very well said! winking

onistei's photo
Fri 09/12/08 02:13 AM

while Bush got charged up with an excuse to go after Sadaam who had put out a contract to whack Bush Sr., he also had the same idea as the one that struck me after he had engaged the military to intervene in Iraq.

That was to call the terrorists and militants and mercenaries to come and get it, and bring it on.

It seemed to me, at the time, to be a wise and unsaid assumption that such a strategy had been in mind from the outset, and judging by Bush's comments to that effect after he felt confident that the US Military could hold its own indefinitely on Iraqi soil with impunity, it appeared to be the case as well.

Well , they came to play and die for their jihad.:wink: laugh

I have known expatriated iraqis since the early 80s and know what was going on under Sadaam from their mouths, and I also believe that Bush had no clue of what to expect from the Iraqis when Sadaam was removed from his iroinclad control of those people. They were placed into one nation not by themselves and would more likely , even now, prefer for themselves to be divided into three nations, at the least. But when the British left the region after WW1, it was left as it is. That is a problem.

Thus, the civil war that broke out and the US Military was faced with refereeing that.

That is Bush's incompetence. His advisors dropped that ball badly. He dealt with it, though.

He adapted and improvised and listened to the Military and Mc Cain, more than any other, in due course, even if out of frustration. laugh

Being a internationalist, much like his father, W has shown himself to attempt to bring some nobler good to the confligration, but whether that is wise and just to impose on another nation is for history to decide now.

The fact remains, we have seen the page turned on how terrorism is dealt with as an act of war and no longer as a law enforcement burden within nations.

That change is materially an improvement for the world to digest as an effective means of eradicating the world of sleeper cells harbored by any nation claiming to be not culpable for the actions of a group not bearing the flag of the host nation giving sanctuary.

That is a big deal.

It also makes it harder for romantics to entertain thoughts of a revolution even within this nation, given the ramifications of this paridigm shift in "unflagged" warfare.

what?huh

That isn't on the mind of Americans?ohwell

Sure it is.


This nation is incredibly gifted and we are not altogether gifted in graceful maturity.

but we are working on it.


flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile






I think you pretty well nailed that one!!! drinker bigsmile

t22learner's photo
Fri 09/12/08 03:58 AM
I think from the limited clips released, she did fine. So she didn't know what "the Bush Doctrine" was... She's been Governor of Alaska and I don't think it's that important. She's clearly been cramming, and was very robotic in her responses, but for all the pressure this woman is under, I think she did OK.

no photo
Fri 09/12/08 06:34 AM
Look at how she dodged this question about her comments on the war and it being a mission of God:

GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." Are we fighting a holy war?

PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.

GIBSON: Exact words.

PALIN: But the reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln's words when he said -- first, he suggested never presume to know what God's will is, and I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words.

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 09/12/08 09:33 AM

Look at how she dodged this question about her comments on the war and it being a mission of God:

GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." Are we fighting a holy war?

PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.

GIBSON: Exact words.

PALIN: But the reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln's words when he said -- first, he suggested never presume to know what God's will is, and I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words.

laugh I noticed that too.laugh She is trying to distance herself from her weirdo religious beliefs. laugh

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Fri 09/12/08 01:55 PM

If McCain wins the election, but dies in office (ie heart attack). Do you think Sarah Palin is ready to be President?





definitely ....drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker

kojack's photo
Fri 09/12/08 01:59 PM
In a word " NO "


adj4u's photo
Fri 09/12/08 02:17 PM
more so than obama no doubt about it

kerbear73's photo
Fri 09/12/08 02:20 PM
Sarah Palin has something that Obama lack, Leadership Experiance

t22learner's photo
Fri 09/12/08 02:41 PM

Sarah Palin has something that Obama lack, Leadership Experiance

Well, he led over 18,000,000 people to vote for him. That's a few more than Sarah.

adj4u's photo
Fri 09/12/08 02:43 PM


Sarah Palin has something that Obama lack, Leadership Experiance

Well, he led over 18,000,000 people to vote for him. That's a few more than Sarah.



and what is he gonna do with them now

it is one thing to dupe the people it is another to lead them

t22learner's photo
Fri 09/12/08 02:55 PM

it is one thing to dupe the people it is another to lead them

Explain "dupe" in this context.

adj4u's photo
Fri 09/12/08 03:00 PM


it is one thing to dupe the people it is another to lead them

Explain "dupe" in this context.


to lead them to believe one thing that may not be in actuality what you have an intention on doing

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dupe (dp, dyp)
n.
1. An easily deceived person.
2. A person who functions as the tool of another person or power.
tr.v. duped, dup·ing, dupes
To deceive (an unwary person).

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dupe

t22learner's photo
Fri 09/12/08 03:02 PM
I know what the word means. How has Obama duped the 18M people who voted for him?

adj4u's photo
Fri 09/12/08 03:12 PM

I know what the word means. How has Obama duped the 18M people who voted for him?


the same way all mainstream politicians dupe their followers

tell them what they think they wanna hear then do what they feel like doing

t22learner's photo
Fri 09/12/08 03:19 PM


I know what the word means. How has Obama duped the 18M people who voted for him?

the same way all mainstream politicians dupe their followers

tell them what they think they wanna hear then do what they feel like doing

OK, so do you think John McCain is duping voters?

adj4u's photo
Fri 09/12/08 03:22 PM



I know what the word means. How has Obama duped the 18M people who voted for him?

the same way all mainstream politicians dupe their followers

tell them what they think they wanna hear then do what they feel like doing

OK, so do you think John McCain is duping voters?


of course