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Just vote for who you want to. Palin will be president in the next four years. And if we were going to have a woman president I sure would not want it to be her. She does not have good qualities about her at all and she would send the work women have done for equality back a good 50 years or more. This is not a qualified perspective. OOPS! Don't look now but your left wing partisan liberal bias is showing. |
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*clears throat*
Who are you to say anyone's post on this forum is "not a qualified perspective" please? I thought personal attacks are forbidden on this site? I look forward to the mods acting accordingly. |
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Just vote for who you want to. Palin will be president in the next four years. And if we were going to have a woman president I sure would not want it to be her. She does not have good qualities about her at all and she would send the work women have done for equality back a good 50 years or more. This is not a qualified perspective. OOPS! Don't look now but your left wing partisan liberal bias is showing. |
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On taxes from the Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121867201724238901.html "The Obama plan would cut taxes for 95% of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples. In addition, Sen. Obama is proposing tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth. The Obama plan would dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class filers to do their own taxes in less than five minutes and not have to hire an accountant. Sen. Obama also recognizes that small businesses are the engine of job growth in the economy. That is why he is proposing additional tax cuts, including a tax credit for small businesses that provide health care, and the elimination of capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-ups. The vast majority of small businesses would face lower taxes under the Obama plan than under the McCain plan." |
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*clears throat* Who are you to say anyone's post on this forum is "not a qualified perspective" please? I thought personal attacks are forbidden on this site? I look forward to the mods acting accordingly. Well actually...that was an obvious observation. Or is saying something like that not expect a response? It was a partisan statement.... that was MY point. |
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*clears throat* Who are you to say anyone's post on this forum is "not a qualified perspective" please? I thought personal attacks are forbidden on this site? I look forward to the mods acting accordingly. Well actually...that was an obvious observation. Or is saying something like that not expect a response? It was a partisan statement.... that was MY point. Of course, you have no response to the specifics of Obama's tax plan as quoted from the WSJ article above... Just more bloviating... |
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*clears throat* Who are you to say anyone's post on this forum is "not a qualified perspective" please? I thought personal attacks are forbidden on this site? I look forward to the mods acting accordingly. Well actually...that was an obvious observation. Or is saying something like that not expect a response? It was a partisan statement.... that was MY point. Of course, you have no response to the specifics of Obama's tax plan as quoted from the WSJ article above... Just more bloviating... For someone who doesn't like O'Rielly you certainly spend alot of time quoting him. I think you should get help for your obsession there pal. I don't watch O'Rielly...he's too pompous for me. |
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*clears throat* Who are you to say anyone's post on this forum is "not a qualified perspective" please? I thought personal attacks are forbidden on this site? I look forward to the mods acting accordingly. Well actually...that was an obvious observation. Or is saying something like that not expect a response? It was a partisan statement.... that was MY point. Of course, you have no response to the specifics of Obama's tax plan as quoted from the WSJ article above... Just more bloviating... For someone who doesn't like O'Rielly you certainly spend alot of time quoting him. I think you should get help for your obsession there pal. I don't watch O'Rielly...he's too pompous for me. Yet another non-response to specifics presented above. Just keep spreading the lies and clouding the facts. |
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Edited by
Quikstepper
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Sun 09/14/08 07:20 AM
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*clears throat* Who are you to say anyone's post on this forum is "not a qualified perspective" please? I thought personal attacks are forbidden on this site? I look forward to the mods acting accordingly. Well actually...that was an obvious observation. Or is saying something like that not expect a response? It was a partisan statement.... that was MY point. Of course, you have no response to the specifics of Obama's tax plan as quoted from the WSJ article above... Just more bloviating... For someone who doesn't like O'Rielly you certainly spend alot of time quoting him. I think you should get help for your obsession there pal. I don't watch O'Rielly...he's too pompous for me. Yet another non-response to specifics presented above. Just keep spreading the lies and clouding the facts. LOL... Facts???? Oh yeah...right. LOL Yes OBAMA is a BIG Bloviator...as you so wonderfully stated. FACTS? You want facts? How about what we have to live with in my state that is DEM controlled up to the govenor. That's enough for me to know. You expect me to believe OBAMA, who has no record & is with the tax & spend party? That's fact enough...we live with it here in my state. They tout the same thing & the result is the same. They don't care how high costs rise. THAT'S A FACT! |
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Edited by
t22learner
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Sun 09/14/08 07:18 AM
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I can't comment on the politics of NJ, but given our $9.6T debt, sinking world confidence in our financial institutions, and accelerating failures of them, I think "tax & spend" is more prudent than "don't tax and spend anyway..."
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Edited by
Quikstepper
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Sun 09/14/08 07:27 AM
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I can't comment on the politics of NJ, but given our $9.6T debt, sinking world confidence in our financial institutions, and accelerating failures of them, I think "tax & spend" is more prudent than "don't tax and spend anyway..." There's alot of wasteful spending in giving do nothing jobs to people WITH PERKS in the party at the expense of getting qualified people to fill REAL jobs & who actually do serve the public. I see alot of waste & what I call corruption, that hurts everyone. Mostly service that directly affects the public. That's what sticks in my gut. BTW... this debt that got built up over the war on terror. If the global financial world collasped today it would not be such a bad thing. Everyone would be in the same boat & maybe the average Joe will finally get rest from inflationary costs & debts. A year of jubilee is not such a bad thing. If people weren't so greedy they would see the benefit. Let the power brokers jump out of windows...now that wouldn't be so bad either. LOL |
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t22learner
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Sun 09/14/08 07:37 AM
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BTW... this debt that got built up over the war on terror. If the global financial world collasped today it would not be such a bad thing. Everyone would be in the same boat & maybe the average Joe will finally get rest from inflationary costs & debts. The rich would still have assets of value and little to no personal debts. Average Joe would be screwed. Oh, and most of the war debt is from "War in Iraq," not the phony moniker, "war on terror." |
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Edited by
wouldee
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Sun 09/14/08 08:30 AM
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On taxes from the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB121867201724238901.html "The Obama plan would cut taxes for 95% of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples. In addition, Sen. Obama is proposing tax cuts for low- and middle-income seniors, homeowners, the uninsured, and families sending a child to college or looking to save and accumulate wealth. The Obama plan would dramatically simplify taxes by consolidating existing tax credits, eliminating the need for millions of senior citizens to file tax forms, and enabling as many as 40 million middle-class filers to do their own taxes in less than five minutes and not have to hire an accountant. Sen. Obama also recognizes that small businesses are the engine of job growth in the economy. That is why he is proposing additional tax cuts, including a tax credit for small businesses that provide health care, and the elimination of capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-ups. The vast majority of small businesses would face lower taxes under the Obama plan than under the McCain plan." and as such, nobama's plan will give the majority of workers relying complacently on big brother to tell innovative and risk taking entrepreneurs why they do what they do with their time talent and treasure 24/7 non stop while Joe Sixpack and Susie Wannabe go shopping at walmart with their extra cash and buy more useless junk that lines the already untaxed and nefarious pockets of the chinese nationalized industrial/military complex. Let's face it. he wants to break the back of the fierce independence and ambitions of the very Americans that the lazy and hapless dreamers want to plunder from their leisurely non-committal ease through strong arm robbery transferred and projected through thier surrogate benefactors. How? By redistributing motive and inspiration to the "do nothings" that support and defend the theft of personal wealth from those that create wealth and force them to be subserviant to the whims and wishlists of those that do not contribute to the innovation and entrepreneural spirit in this country that produces wealth and prosperity. By redirecting authority and control over autonomous self determination of innovative and daring individuals' aspirations and achievements into the depository of the care and feeding of those that have nothing at stake except their own selfish lusts and laisse faire approach to dwelling at ease and comfort by virtue of their enmass democratically controlled opinions that demand the rewards of the risk takers be deseminated to the coffers of those that have nothing at risk. That is not what made this country happen, but what this country disdained sufficiently enough in its genesis to dare to resist the heavy hand of the King of England and the rulers of oppression in the world of their day. By using voter powers of majority domination and their collective will to determine the useage of the fruits of the risk takers labor is to destroy the very impetus of taking risks and investing all into any endeavor for the sake of a bountiful harvest which is subject to plunder and theft from those with no right to the fruits of that very labor. This is the tyranny of the "tail wagging the dog" type of Hamiltonian economic models. No gold standard backing the currency is how this model has been employed against the better judgement of Madisonian models which kept this country solvent until the shift was made to Hamilton's model which was apparently overdue for testing. The federal deficit and national debt as presently threatening the solvency of this once great national example of free enterprise and liberty and has choked and strangled this nation with insolvency through expectation of reward without the expense of prductive effort. The legislative and executive branches of our government have proved without a doubt that spending more than one has to bring about prosperity and a better quality of life is a delusional approach to fiscally sound historic principles of investment, productivity and reward. A government that models living on credit as a means of generating the wealth of the nation proves only that not living within ones means has an end that is neither prosperous nor productive nor rewarding, but one that is bankrupting and debilitating and bereft of stored reserve. The federal Reserve system is an oxymoronic label in light of present reality. Democratic principles have been hijacked in similar fashion by those that would applaud the efforts of those with nothing at stake at the expense and chagrin of those that stake all in risk for rewqard and plunder that reward with impunity for the very will of the ones' sake that have nothing at stake. You don't work, you don't eat. The farmer does not give the stores in the barn to the hired help to distribute as the hired help wishes, lest the seed in the barn that is allocatied for spring planting be consumed rather than sown in the ground for the next seasonal cycle. What do the have not wannabes contribute to the efforts of the investing entrepreneurs in this nation if all they do is take take take? What good is liberal entitlements for poorer among us if they come at the cost of depriving the rich among us of theautonomy and opportunity to invest their fruits in planting the next season's harvest as they see fit? I see the majority ov voters wanting all and giving nothing. I see government spending all and creating nothing. I see risk takers leaving the country and investing elsewhere. I see tax policy and over protective and litigious environments as impetus for business to seek foreign labor pools and remove the unkowns of risk associated with that overprotective and litigious environment exascergated by our current tax policies. And these same wannabes support Walmarts with their wallets while decrying Walmart for becoming so rich and powerful. You can't have it both ways kids. |
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I don't see how you can support your conclusions from Obama proposing, "additional tax cuts, including a tax credit for small businesses that provide health care, and the elimination of capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-ups."
Oh, and I agree, Wal-Mart sucks. I NEVER shop there. |
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"Here's how the average tax bill could change in 2009 if either John McCain's or Barack Obama's tax proposals were fully in place.
MCCAIN OBAMA Income Avg. tax bill Avg. tax bill Over $2.9M -$269,364 +$701,885 $603K and up -$45,361 +$115,974 $227K-$603K -$7,871 +$12 $161K-$227K -$4,380 -$2,789 $112K-$161K -$2,614 -$2,204 $66K-$112K -$1,009 -$1,290 $38K-$66K -$319 -$1,042 $19K-$38K -$113 -$892 Under $19K -$19 -$567" Source:The Tax Policy Center |
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"Here's how the average tax bill could change in 2009 if either John McCain's or Barack Obama's tax proposals were fully in place. MCCAIN OBAMA Income Avg. tax bill Avg. tax bill Over $2.9M -$269,364 +$701,885 $603K and up -$45,361 +$115,974 $227K-$603K -$7,871 +$12 $161K-$227K -$4,380 -$2,789 $112K-$161K -$2,614 -$2,204 $66K-$112K -$1,009 -$1,290 $38K-$66K -$319 -$1,042 $19K-$38K -$113 -$892 Under $19K -$19 -$567" Source:The Tax Policy Center this is a no brainer. McCain/palin 2008 thanks for the encouraging news. |
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Obama has come full circle on so many issues people forget his original plans, like raising taxes. There is a whole lotta stuff that he once supported and now doesn't!!!!! Senator John McCain was against the Bush tax cuts and now he is for them. Governor Palin was for the "bridge to nowhere" but now she is against it. McCain was against offshore drilling but now he is for it. There are a lot of flip flops on both sides. Don't forget -- Palin kept a few million after the "Bridge to Nowhere" idea was abandoned. And once upon a time....wasn't McCain pro-choice? I thought that he had been but he changed his stance. |
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Just vote for who you want to. Palin will be president in the next four years. And if we were going to have a woman president I sure would not want it to be her. She does not have good qualities about her at all and she would send the work women have done for equality back a good 50 years or more. This is not a qualified perspective. OOPS! Don't look now but your left wing partisan liberal bias is showing. And no other woman has ever stayed with a husband that cheated? Sheesh. |
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"Here's how the average tax bill could change in 2009 if either John McCain's or Barack Obama's tax proposals were fully in place. MCCAIN OBAMA Income Avg. tax bill Avg. tax bill Over $2.9M -$269,364 +$701,885 $603K and up -$45,361 +$115,974 $227K-$603K -$7,871 +$12 $161K-$227K -$4,380 -$2,789 $112K-$161K -$2,614 -$2,204 $66K-$112K -$1,009 -$1,290 $38K-$66K -$319 -$1,042 $19K-$38K -$113 -$892 Under $19K -$19 -$567" Source:The Tax Policy Center this is a no brainer. McCain/palin 2008 thanks for the encouraging news. YEA MCCAIN............. AND PRAISE GOD FOR GOVERNOR PALIN ...LET US NOT FORGET GOVERNOR SARAH PALIN IS GOVERNOR OF ALASKA: flowers: ....WHAT HAS THE TWERP OB DONE? YOU DO NOT KNOW???? LINDYY |
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Here's FauxNews grilling McCain flak Tucker Bounds on the lies of the campaign...
Faux! Unreal. Bounds is a dope... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OviYjJWIYbY |
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