just thinking out loud here,

some think that there is life on other planets, possibly much more advanced that our own.

Now though i to think that is possible, i believe there is a much better answer to this - being - parallel universes. Universes that parallel ours and occasionally bump into each other and allow for beings from that universe or this one to pass through. Now this parallel universe idea is not new. But i wonder how much thought people give to it?

some believers feel these PU's might be exactly like this one where there is a duplicate of us as we now look but leading a different like than what we lead here. But if others do exist then who can say some may be less advanced or much more advanced than ours is. If so it would go along way to UFO sightings, Sasquatch, and other reported beings/animals people claim to have seen and would also account for thousands of missing people reported also [though i know there is other theories for those also] but to me this holds more interest than the others.

any thoughts?

Yea, I want some of what you're smokin'

ive seen a few klingons :D

You should look up SETI. Its pretty interesting. They used to have a section on their website where you could hook up with their mainframe. You would basically see the radio waves that they were projecting out into space, hoping for a reply. I dont know if they still do that.

My screensaver is SETI. It's run through BIONIC now since they got so big they needed an outside company to run it.

Really? Wow, they still do it then? Cool. I had that years ago. Its just in a loop right like it keeps starting over?

It has a grapihc display of the work being done and your numbers.

thnks K, but i don't think the radio waves show anyhing as to parellel universes. not that i've heard about anyway.

I absolutely belief that there are other live forms living in this universe.

I personally believe that this can be proven to be mathematically so highly probable that it would be extremely difficult to believe otherwise.

Just for the sake of any mathematicians out there consider the following:

There are only about a hundred different naturally-occurring chemical elements in the universe. Only about 30 of those are truly important to building an ecosystem with living begins like the earth.

These elements appear to be spread out through the entire universe in pretty much the same proportions. This is no accident since these elements are created in the stars via a natural process and then ejected into the interstellar space to re-condense into solar systems.

The observable universe contains approximately 70 sextillion stars.

That's 70 thousand, million, million, million stars (potential solar systems) that are all made of basically the same stuff that our solar system is made of, and in the same proportions!

Moreover, because of the way that solar systems form, the 30 elements that are most needed for an earth-like planet to form naturally tend to condense out in a ring just the right distance from the stars to form an earth-type orbit.

Therefore the probability that other earth-like planets exist is highly probably IMHO. In fact, it's extremely probable.

Just think about it. 70 thousand, million, million, million solar systems forming from the same soup?

What's the change that only one of them would be similar to the Earth's solar system?

It's basically zero. It's much more highly likely that Earth-like solar systems are the rule rather than the exception.

Keep in mind, when I say "Earth-like" I'm not talking about precise replicas. I'm just talking about planets that would be in a favorable position for Carbon atoms to evolve into amino acids, DNA, and so forth. Planet with life!

I think they are much more likely than not.

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As far as parallel universes are concerned, I see no reason to imagine them other than as pure ideas. I've seen nothing in this universe that I can't personally accept as being part of this universe. I see no reason to imagine other universes. I've never seen a Big Foot myself, nor have I ever seen anything supernatural. I've only heard about these things hearsay.

But I've heard a lot of things hearsay. People have claimed to have seen Elvis many years after he died. People claim that God came to earth and had himself nailed to a pole to pay for the sins of man. There are a lot of rumors that I have no reason to believe.

No, I just meant if you were interested in the real time investigative work that is being done, then you might like it. Their site has a lot of resources also. The Allen Telescope Array is pretty impressive. Who knows if anything will ever come of this research but I think mainly its like "you cant win, if you don't play" philosophy meaning if we dont extend ourselves in some capacity, then we may just be overlooked or considered too boring or hostile to speak with.

MAJYK MAN:

As far as parallel universes are concerned, I see no reason to imagine them other than as pure ideas. I've seen nothing in this universe that I can't personally accept as being part of this universe. I see no reason to imagine other universes. I've never seen a Big Foot myself, nor have I ever seen anything supernatural. I've only heard about these things hearsay.


TRIBO:

I guess thats the difference james i have seen uof's and spirits and others in my family also - so it's not as big an assumption on my part as someone who has not - though i do understand the skepticism of any one who has not.

by the way i fully conclude with what you say about possible life and the chances of it being so. I've looked at all that but of course not as deeply as to your knowledge of those things. the idea of this universe bending back on itself intrigues me that beings would not necesarily have to travel for hundreds or thousands of years at light speed to get here but could actually arrive here very quickly.

yeah, i've seen all that on science channel for yrs, K, so im familiar with it but not completely up to date , just like quantum physics but my understanding is not that of abra's but thanks anyway.

I would never automatically poo hoo a person's assertion that they have seen a UFO of some kind. Sure a lot of them actually turn out to be common place, every day objects that are easily mistook for something else like weather balloons or some other strange looking hovering things. I think the cases that unnerve me the most are when air traffic controllers have those "incidents" and some of that dialogue is recorded. Also the actual pilots in commercial jet liners have seen things beside the plane, below the plane and moving along side it. Now whats that all about? I mean is it government related or are they testing aircraft? I guess because I would tend to feel like airline pilots are normally not wackos making up stories. Who knows though.

i agree K. but i do understand why there are skeptics - even were skeptics in certain areas - hahaha

I seen UFOs that I could not explain. In fact, I have some truly strange experience in my life. But at the same time I'm not jumping to conclusions.

Well, to begin with UFOs wouldn't imply parallel universes. UFOs could easily come from different places within our own universe.

I'll tell you two stories.

One time I was visting a graveyard at night with some freinds. Not far from from where I currently live. It was a beautiful clear summer night.

We were sitting on steps of a tomb discussing philosophiocal topics.

Whilst we were talking we noticed bright light in the sky. It was near the horizon and appeared to be hovering.

My friend instantly asked me if it was a planet. I wasn't current up to date on the planet's positions at the time so I suggested that it could be Jupiter or venus as it wasn't far from the zodiac path in a easterly direction. It was clearly so bright that it could only be one of those to if it was indeed a planet.

I didn't feel that it was a planet, I felt that it looked more like it was terrestrial within the atmosphere. I was guessing that it might potentially a hospital helicopter on a rescue mission. In fact it appeared to me to be getting lower in the sky. As I watch it I could definiely see that it was slowly descending relative to the stars behind it. So forget about it being a planet.

We sat there observing the object for a while. I gave up on the idea of it being a helicopter because even though it was pretty far off, it was quiet enought that night that we would have hear the chopper even at that distance.

My second guess was that it might be a jet airplane landing, or maybe even prop airplane and we just happened to be lined up with the runway off in the distance. I didn't care for that explanation because I would have thought it would have landed by now if that were the case. So the object was truly becoming intriguing.

Reaching for explanations I suggested maybe a hot air balloon or a weather balloon of some sort.

But just as I suggested that it shot across the sky at literally warp speed.

I mean, there is no way that any manmade aircraft could have possibly accelerated that quickly. It started moving sideways slowly at first but it gained speed exponentially and shot clear across the horizon looking like a meteor in reverse. It shot completely out of site almost instantly like a streak of light across the sky.

Knowing what I know about physics, that kind of moment would be impossible by any manmade object.

We never got a good look at it, it was too far away, to us it just appeared as a bright light.

I must confess that one has always left me wondering.

I do have one possible explantion, that I didn't think of at the time.

It could have somehow been a lightening bug that for whatever reason remained constantly lit.

Beause we had first imagined that it was a planet, and then later imagined aircraft we were thinking that it was far away. But in truth, it might have been flying a mere few feet in front of us.

If that were the case, then then it flew off sideways it only appeared to have spanned the entire sky when i reality in only few a few yards because it was so close to us!

It also wouldn't have been making any perceptable noise.

I can't rule that out as a possiblity. In fact, I wish I would have thought of that at the time. Maybe having merely recognized it as being an illuminated bug closer to us I could have confirmed that, or recognized the truth of that situation in person at the time.

As it is now, I'll never know what it was I saw. It will forever remain a UFO to me.

There was another time when I saw a strange light in the sky. I was driving from Rochester New York to Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. When I got to Bradford I saw a strange light in the sky it to appeared to be planet. But it didn't appear to be in the right place for a planet.

I actually stopped to investigate it. I pulled into an empty field and got out of my car. I looked up at the object and it appeared to be descending upon me.

The next thing I remember is that I was pulling into New Bethlehem 100 miles further along my journey to Pittsburgh.

I don't remember anything in between. I don't remember getting back in my car. I don't remember driving from Bradford to New Bethlehem.

All I remember is pulling into New Bethehem wondering how I got there, so quick and not remembering the intervening trip!

Yep. That's a strange one too!

My pragmatic explanation is this:

I got out of my car to investigate the light. After looking at it for a while I got back in my car and proceeded on my trip. I was completely lost in thought about possible UFOs etc, and thus I basically "daydreamed" the whole way to New Bethlehem making the time seem to go by very quickly and without any memories of the actual trip.

That's my pragmatic explanation for that one.

You see, I can always come up with a pragmatic explanation for this sh't.

The first incedent sound much like mine and 2 friends when i was 13 same scenario only up in the sky above us not on the horizon. we wathed 5 of them for about 45 min or so till we fell asleep, they were no bigger than the small stars and there were plenty of them but these were zooming back and forth at times at all different angles faster than any plane even today could do. i'll never know what hey were for sure either but i have never forgot it, but someone else in my family recently had told me things that assure me of their existance and aliens also. so i dont try to disprove anymore only hope that i may see them one day also. not JB's naga's, but another species.

Yep. Most likely they were lightening bugs, or horny bats with glowing hot balls.

See. Science has an answer for everying.

Strange things can happen. I once saw a skunk that glowed. It looked like it was radio active or something. The whole thing glowed in the dark. It was really weird.

I even asked a few zoology professors about it. If there is any way a skunk can glow. Or maybe a certain species of skunk can glow.

They laughed at me and made fun of it. They ribbed me for a long time about that one.

Then one night I was walking though the woods and I came across a patch of lighted up ground! It glowed!

It wasn't reflecting light it was emitting light! I investigated further and discovered that it was cobwebs glowing! The whole place was covered with glowing cobwebs!

I went back to the zoology departed and asked if any spiders make glowing cobwebs! Again I was laughed out of the department.

But then a lady who specializes in fungi told me that certain fungi can emit light and it tends to grow well on moist cobwebs!

I finally had my answer!

The glowing skunk that I had seen must have previously walked through a past of fungi-infected cobwebs and was covered with these light-emitting fungi!

I wasn't crazy after all!

So there you go. You just happened to be watching bats flying around that had previously been roosting in a fungi-infected cave and their butts were all covered with the fungi and lit up like UFOs.

theres also bio-luminecent fungi they could have gotten into also

Of course there are skeptics ( )

However - I have always lived in the city (Boston, San Francisco, L.A. Chicago) and there's just no way to determine if it is a UFO or an aircraft. Airplanes are a regular occurance around cities (or blimps, helicopters, weather ballons)

As to parellel universes - I recall a wonderful episode of the twilight zone where that was the main plot line. I've thought about it from time to time over the years. Never really outside of the limits of a stage or the big screen though.
But - that's the way I would think about those things anyway.

Of course. You know me, Im a born skeptic but Im saying these specific instances involving the aircraft pilots and air craft control towers are the ones in particular that I feel warrant further investigation. Not so much drunken hillbillies in the Ozarks or people that claim to be abducted and experience anal probes but also just happen to have long histories of heavy drinking and drug abuse in their pasts...

There have been over 3,500 documented sightings of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena by military, civilian and commercial airline pilots. These observations span the entire history of powered flight. Many of these cases come from declassified US government reports and investigations, international reports from official sources and the direct testimony of military and commercial pilots, air traffic controllers, and radar operators. (Ted Roe, NARCAP)

Now Im only saying that if I was to embark on any kind of serious investigation of some of these cases, these are the ones I would be more interested in focusing my energy on. I wouldn't know what details to hone in on necessarily either but Im sure other pilots and air traffic control people would be able to point out what is genuinely peculiar and what might be explainable in any number of ways. Now of those 3500 incidents, we might be able to narrow it down to 300 pretty quickly. So on and so forth. I would imagine that since they are making the claim that as long as man has acquired the ability to fly and the advent of industrialized flight, there has been instances of this nature and these kinds of reports documented. So I imagine right there, you could eliminate some of these accounts simply because say back in 1945, the technology that encapsulated aircraft and machinery and navigation was not quite what we have today.