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BobbyJ Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 1368	Sat 08/30/08 08:34 AM Edited by BobbyJ on Sat 08/30/08 08:34 AM
We can't blame corporations for off-shoring American jobs. After all, it was the American consumer who started off-shoring UAW jobs when they elected to buy foreign cars over American made vehicles. The reason? Americans wanted better quality at less cost and they traded away their future to have it. That's the same reason corporations use today, workers of better quality at less cost. Last year, I heard a VP at a major American communications company say; "We won't hire Americans because they are stupid compared to overseas work forces." Sadly, our educational system is far behind other countries in the world.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Sat 08/30/08 08:35 AM
We can't blame corporations for off-shoring American jobs. After all, it was the American consumer who started off-shoring UAW jobs when they elected to buy foreign cars over American made vehicles. The reason? Americans wanted better quality at less cost and they traded away their future to have it. That's the same reason corporations use today, workers of better quality at less cost. Last year, I heard a VP at a major American communications company say; "We won't hire Americans because they are stupid compared to overseas work forces." Sadly, our educational system is far behind other countries in the world. Except it's not always better quality. It cost less, sure. But you're not always getting better quality work.

Jules0565 Joined Fri 06/06/08 Posts: 4485	Sat 08/30/08 08:36 AM
I think the worst is yet to come. Unfortunately.. I believe this to be true also.

Lily0923 Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 20429	Sat 08/30/08 08:36 AM
Hey, I've never driven anything but an American car.... My brothers would kick my azz if I EVER bought one.

PATSFAN Joined Mon 12/10/07 Posts: 42782	Sat 08/30/08 08:37 AM
Things are really bad, I'm thankful I still have a job even though it's a real crap job, it's a job!!

beachbum069 Joined Mon 04/07/08 Posts: 14325	Sat 08/30/08 08:39 AM
Hey, I've never driven anything but an American car.... My brothers would kick my azz if I EVER bought one. My Mazda 626 has more American parts then my ex's Chevy Equinox.

Jim519 Joined Thu 12/27/07 Posts: 9203	Sat 08/30/08 08:43 AM
I am very proud of my job... Toyota keeps me employed

BobbyJ Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 1368	Sat 08/30/08 08:43 AM
We can't blame corporations for off-shoring American jobs. After all, it was the American consumer who started off-shoring UAW jobs when they elected to buy foreign cars over American made vehicles. The reason? Americans wanted better quality at less cost and they traded away their future to have it. That's the same reason corporations use today, workers of better quality at less cost. Last year, I heard a VP at a major American communications company say; "We won't hire Americans because they are stupid compared to overseas work forces." Sadly, our educational system is far behind other countries in the world. Except it's not always better quality. It cost less, sure. But you're not always getting better quality work. There's a quality/cost ratio to look at. Even if American workers were better quality (corporations say they are not), the cost of an American worker is far higher than one from overseas. Half of an American's cost is their pay, the other half is health insurance and taxes. Corporations don't pay health insurance to off-shored workers. As far as taxes go, Corporations pay no SSN, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance taxes for off-shore workers. Plus, our government actually provides corporations tax incentives to hire off-shore workers!

Lily0923 Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 20429	Sat 08/30/08 08:43 AM
Hey, I've never driven anything but an American car.... My brothers would kick my azz if I EVER bought one. My Mazda 626 has more American parts then my ex's Chevy Equinox. There's no car that has fully American made parts, the closest is the Ford F150 and even that has a Honda muffler... You always hear "buy American" hey I know "Make American"

PATSFAN Joined Mon 12/10/07 Posts: 42782	Sat 08/30/08 08:45 AM
I'm glad I have my Toyota Camry, all it ever needs is gas

BobbyJ Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 1368	Sat 08/30/08 08:48 AM
Hey, I've never driven anything but an American car.... My brothers would kick my azz if I EVER bought one. My Mazda 626 has more American parts then my ex's Chevy Equinox. It really is of little consequence as to where a car is built or the parts made. It's who manufactures the cars. The profit made from every foreign car is what is killing the U.S. Profit is where R&D monies come from to develop new technologies. That's why Japan will one day own General Motors!

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Sat 08/30/08 08:48 AM
We can't blame corporations for off-shoring American jobs. After all, it was the American consumer who started off-shoring UAW jobs when they elected to buy foreign cars over American made vehicles. The reason? Americans wanted better quality at less cost and they traded away their future to have it. That's the same reason corporations use today, workers of better quality at less cost. Last year, I heard a VP at a major American communications company say; "We won't hire Americans because they are stupid compared to overseas work forces." Sadly, our educational system is far behind other countries in the world. Except it's not always better quality. It cost less, sure. But you're not always getting better quality work. There's a quality/cost ratio to look at. Even if American workers were better quality (corporations say they are not), the cost of an American worker is far higher than one from overseas. Half of an American's cost is their pay, the other half is health insurance and taxes. Corporations don't pay health insurance to off-shored workers. As far as taxes go, Corporations pay no SSN, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance taxes for off-shore workers. Plus, our government actually provides corporations tax incentives to hire off-shore workers! It looks good on paper. Not so much in reality. Just another reason I'll vote for Obama, as he was talking about taking away tax breaks for companies who ship our jobs overseas.l

Lily0923 Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 20429	Sat 08/30/08 08:48 AM
I'm glad I have my Toyota Camry, all it ever needs is gas My Chevy Impala laughs at your little Toyota Camry....

BobbyJ Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 1368	Sat 08/30/08 08:49 AM
I am very proud of my job... Toyota keeps me employed Until they find someone off-shore that's cheaper!

PATSFAN Joined Mon 12/10/07 Posts: 42782	Sat 08/30/08 08:50 AM
I'm glad I have my Toyota Camry, all it ever needs is gas My Chevy Impala laughs at your little Toyota Camry.... My camry will be around longer than your your Impala & probably longer than me

Jim519 Joined Thu 12/27/07 Posts: 9203	Sat 08/30/08 08:51 AM
I'm glad I have my Toyota Camry, all it ever needs is gas Amen Brother Just bought myself a new Toyota and gett 38MPG!

Lily0923 Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 20429	Sat 08/30/08 08:52 AM
I'm glad I have my Toyota Camry, all it ever needs is gas My Chevy Impala laughs at your little Toyota Camry.... My camry will be around longer than your your Impala & probably longer than me You really want to compare a Camry to an Impala.... How many 67 Camrys you see driving around town....

PATSFAN Joined Mon 12/10/07 Posts: 42782	Sat 08/30/08 08:53 AM
I'm glad I have my Toyota Camry, all it ever needs is gas Amen Brother Just bought myself a new Toyota and gett 38MPG! I have a 1996, in the past 5 years that I've owned it all I have done to it was brake pads 1 time, that car is fantastic.

BobbyJ Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 1368	Sat 08/30/08 08:55 AM
I'm glad I have my Toyota Camry, all it ever needs is gas Amen Brother Just bought myself a new Toyota and gett 38MPG! And the Japanese thank-you! I challenge you to visit their country. Comparing life in Japan to life in the U.S. is like comparing life in the U.S. to life in Mexico. You made it happen!

Jim519 Joined Thu 12/27/07 Posts: 9203	Sat 08/30/08 08:56 AM
I'm glad I have my Toyota Camry, all it ever needs is gas Amen Brother Just bought myself a new Toyota and gett 38MPG! I have a 1996, in the past 5 years that I've owned it all I have done to it was brake pads 1 time, that car is fantastic. Thats what I do for work, I am a Service Director for a Toyota Dealership....Very rarely break, and when they do its cheaper than domestics, my customer retention is all 80% maintenanced based. It's not abnormal for us to see Toyotas come in with 400K, 500K and up, I have even seen a million miles on one...