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... but it would no longer meet the 'foreseeably' condition which is fundamntal when discussing suicide. The only thing I foresee is that your posts are slowly becoming more long-winded than mine.  I was told that scorpions do commit suicide if they are trapped and no way out. I was told this many years back from a world war 1 vet in the German Army stationed in Morroco fighting the English. Many great stories that were told about his life. When they weren't fighting the company men would catch scorpions and pour gas on the sand in a circle and flame it. Inside the circle they would put the scorpion who is now surrounded by the fire. When it realizes it cannot get out of the fire it takes its own poisionus tale and stabs its head to die. I didn't know that at the time when I was just a teenager. Very interesting story it was for me back then. and of course the man who told me was almost 90 years old at the time who experienced both wars. |
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... but it would no longer meet the 'foreseeably' condition which is fundamntal when discussing suicide. The only thing I foresee is that your posts are slowly becoming more long-winded than mine. Not likely, but close. 
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... but it would no longer meet the 'foreseeably' condition which is fundamntal when discussing suicide. The only thing I foresee is that your posts are slowly becoming more long-winded than mine. I was told that scorpions do commit suicide if they are trapped and no way out. I was told this many years back from a world war 1 vet in the German Army stationed in Morroco fighting the English. Many great stories that were told about his life. When they weren't fighting the company men would catch scorpions and pour gas on the sand in a circle and flame it. Inside the circle they would put the scorpion who is now surrounded by the fire. When it realizes it cannot get out of the fire it takes its own poisionus tale and stabs its head to die. I didn't know that at the time when I was just a teenager. Very interesting story it was for me back then. and of course the man who told me was almost 90 years old at the time who experienced both wars. My grandfather told me this story too. He was a sergeant-major in WW2 in North Africa. He told it with two scorpions and a millipede. The remaining scorpion did kill itself. I was only 8 at the time and now it comes back to me |
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... but it would no longer meet the 'foreseeably' condition which is fundamntal when discussing suicide. The only thing I foresee is that your posts are slowly becoming more long-winded than mine. I was told that scorpions do commit suicide if they are trapped and no way out. I was told this many years back from a world war 1 vet in the German Army stationed in Morroco fighting the English. Many great stories that were told about his life. When they weren't fighting the company men would catch scorpions and pour gas on the sand in a circle and flame it. Inside the circle they would put the scorpion who is now surrounded by the fire. When it realizes it cannot get out of the fire it takes its own poisionus tale and stabs its head to die. I didn't know that at the time when I was just a teenager. Very interesting story it was for me back then. and of course the man who told me was almost 90 years old at the time who experienced both wars. My grandfather told me this story too. He was a sergeant-major in WW2 in North Africa. He told it with two scorpions and a millipede. The remaining scorpion did kill itself. I was only 8 at the time and now it comes back to me Yes world war 2 is the war he was actually talking about and not 1. |
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Yes world war 2 is the war he was actually talking about and not 1. Isnt it interesting how the two opposing sides (Your German and my Brit Grandpop) entertained themselves in the same way! |
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Why are you here? I'm talking about here on the earth, in this galaxy. Here in this reality. Here in this matrix. Here Now, in this world. Take your best guess. I'm here for you. 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 08/29/08 09:00 PM
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Quite to the contrary, my argument last year, and still today, is that that higher 'mirror neurones' count in the human brain, creates more of a perverse 'self-conscious' CURSE for humans!!! My claim, and I'm sorry if I didn't state it clearly, is that this 'I' based, 'egocentric', 'self-conscious' centric, 'personal' dimension of the human neocortex, IS what tends to DISSONNECT US from life's vital forces. voileazur, Yes, sort of like the disadvantages one of the "Borg" on Star Treck encounters when they get disconnected from the collective. Yet humans tend to feel that to be an individual is an honor and a privilege in spite of the disadvantages. There is also a disadvantage when a human incarnates and forfeits all memory of past lives (if you believe in reincarnation). The advantage of course is again, to enable them to live a single life as an individual. Hence individualism comes with a price, frightening as it might be. Its lonely when you are not connected and lost and you don't know who you are. And yet here we are. Disconnected individuals. Why would we choose that? There must be a reason. And there is a reason. Self awareness and individuality is one of the highest goals of spirit while living in a body. Any body. Spirit is always in search of a better body to experience life of all kinds. So why disconnect from the collective? I think it might have something to do with the development of will and individuality for the purpose of new expansion and growth of consciousness. So curse your predicament all you want, but you might realize some day that you are one of the very privileged to have reached this state and walk this path which is on the leading edge of creations itself. JB |
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Edited by
smiless
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Fri 08/29/08 08:59 PM
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... but it would no longer meet the 'foreseeably' condition which is fundamntal when discussing suicide. The only thing I foresee is that your posts are slowly becoming more long-winded than mine. I was told that scorpions do commit suicide if they are trapped and no way out. I was told this many years back from a world war 1 vet in the German Army stationed in Morroco fighting the English. Many great stories that were told about his life. When they weren't fighting the company men would catch scorpions and pour gas on the sand in a circle and flame it. Inside the circle they would put the scorpion who is now surrounded by the fire. When it realizes it cannot get out of the fire it takes its own poisionus tale and stabs its head to die. I didn't know that at the time when I was just a teenager. Very interesting story it was for me back then. and of course the man who told me was almost 90 years old at the time who experienced both wars. My grandfather told me this story too. He was a sergeant-major in WW2 in North Africa. He told it with two scorpions and a millipede. The remaining scorpion did kill itself. I was only 8 at the time and now it comes back to me Yes world war 2 is the war he was actually talking about and not 1. It was interesting to listen to their stories for you don't get them in history books for sure. These guys were a group of 50 who would sit around huge round oak tables with a "Wappen" or bell with emblem on it representing their group. And they would ring the bell when they wanted another round of beer. They could drink too! Well these 90 year olds would talk about the wars and the past. What was saddening though is one by one they were dying off. The last time I went to that particular tavern they were only 14 men left that went. The rest died of old age. One story I thought that was interesting was that in the daytime the Germans would fight the English and at night occassionally they would play a game of soccer out in the sand in Morrocco instead of trying to kill each other. A competition so to say. Still enemies but they laid their weapons down to play soccer. and on Christmas when they were in their ditches they would take turns singing Christmas songs instead of exchanging rounds of bullets. Sorry OP for being off topic. It won't happen again! |
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I'm here for the sandwiches
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All of humanity wants to belong.
We are very social creatures. What or who we belong to defines us to our peers and people we meet. If you decide to break away from the norm, you are either questioned or chided. It takes great will to be different, because ultimately we all want to belong and be liked. |
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voileazur,
The creature operates mostly automatically via its programing for survival. They have very little consciousness of their own, although they have a little. They have very little will of their own, although they have a small degree. So a creature is mostly a biological robot working for the collective body of the universe. Are you saying that to evolve forward and become more conscious and have a stronger will is a curse? I don't think so at all. It is the greatest challenge of all. If we disconnect with our programing it is because we are learning to use it instead of letting it automatically use us. The "I" is an individual in the process of collecting itself and becoming a person, not just a robot. Being conscious of self is the first step to higher consciousness. I think we are at the beginning of a very long and interesting journey. JB |
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Not likely, but close. I'm falling in love with tarot and using its magic to grow I lust for more cards and the music of bards that give rise to a novel plateau |
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Debating the "why" and the "how"
Always descends to a row The fundies say fairies With the heathens, it varies But, we're not gonna decide it right now! |
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Edited by
voileazur
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Fri 08/29/08 10:20 PM
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voileazur, The creature operates mostly automatically via its programing for survival. They have very little consciousness of their own, although they have a little. They have very little will of their own, although they have a small degree. So a creature is mostly a biological robot working for the collective body of the universe. ... Are you saying that to evolve forward and become more conscious and have a stronger will is a curse? No!!! For humans to evolve would mean to distinguish the survival and identity limited 'I', from the universal self within. We are all far more than simple 'I's, much more than simple (singular) individual identities Thus becoming freer (no longer exclusively subordinated) from the mechanical, survivalistic, and predictable 'I', and more present to the universal self. A better and more concious and willed balance between the inescapable 'I', which is the only means we have been given to realize that we 'exist', and the 'self' which may very well be our connection within, to the universal. A sort of slow, step by step, easy does it, Enlightenement 101 for all of us, and for generations to come! We may only and barely be the 'human brain evolution GAP' that the fundies are denying. Imagine, denying the 'GAP-proof' staring them in the eyes everyday!!! (just having a little fun here!!!) I don't think so at all. It is the greatest challenge of all. If we disconnect with our programing it is because we are learning to use it instead of letting it automatically use us. Our programming is 'I',the identity, the 'stories and myths' about ourselves, that we have built over the years, and that we 'believe' and confuse to be 'all' that we are!!! A sort of personal, individual and delusional cult and religion of the 'I', if you will. No wonder we are desperately looking for something 'missing'!!! We are operating on 1/1000th of our cylinders, convinced that it is optimal. As a species, we are maybe, at best, at the dawn of meeting and possibly 'dating' self, this whole other part of human essence, which has remained for the most part, wholly untapped!!! The "I" is an individual in the process of collecting itself and becoming a person, not just a robot. The 'I' is useful. Without it, humans would not know they exist. All 'I's are already persons (IMO), indentities, individuals. But the human experience offers so much more IMHO. The arrogance of the 'I', wanting to claim the whole thing for itself, is the perverse and paradoxical twist that robs us from the whole. Being conscious of self is the first step to higher consciousness. I think we are at the beginning of a very long and interesting journey. If 'self', which you refer to, is clearly distinguished from the 'I', 'I' definetely am in agreement with that last statement. And the higher consciousness you are referring to, from my perspective, is quite simply the infinite domain of consciousness, other than that of the limited consciousness of the 'I' (personal vs universal domains of consciousness). JB |
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Okay I think I understand what you mean by the 'I". You are talking about the "little self."
JB |
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seems humanity is here to acquire wisdom, by being drug by the ankles to places no human would choose to go, lol.....
to find out what is most important to oneself, by seeing what is NOT WISHED........ to find out by living expereince of good and bad situations a knowing of what trancends a mortal lifetime.... if all life was removed from the planet, and there was just ME left, then what would actually be felt, tasted, smelled, seen, and heard shows what is most important now, while there is hustle and bustle all around........ some say the grand goal is to be loved, but truly this is a decepetion of the grandest proportions, as even if all is given to oneself mentally, as the mind has the magic to do, and all one wants is had, even all that the mind says is love from another, certainally the time comes when this perception turns to dust, with the seeing that if there are ones loved by oneself, and these are not happy living in emotional pain and distress, there is no place for true happiness to reside within oneself, as the mind cannot be blind to others pain no matter how much it rationalizes it away, such as these have brought on self pain............ it is easily seen that if it were just me, alone as on an iland, the longing for the simple interaction of even the most IGNNORANT person on the palnet for company would be overwelming, and others soon come to be more important than self, with more conscious knowing than any belief believed that others are "supposed" to be more important, lol.... after the grand thoughts of endless money, endless wants, endless and unbridled bliss of anything one wishes to do, there would be immense lonliness and fear, of being all alone....... ironic, it is the same fear which is felt when first existing the womb............ seems this fear is truly a subconscious guide that even though it may not be consciously recognized, is the root basis for all human propulsion, which makes human propulsion fear based, and seek to not allow this to happen, while fighting it's own other basic instict of self created from self preservation instilled in each......... it is no wonder that true peace and happiness cannot be found until it is recognized consciously this fear is inertly guiding, and when it is consciously recognized, when there has been enough expereince lived to allow one to look back into past and identify this as ever present in ones own life, then it is as subdued, no longer having the power to control in the shadows as a ghost that torments and as a pirate that steals, the very essence of the true desires of the heart away, never allowing sight to see how to create them, as all beings do have the power to create anything that is wished, if the way to do so is clearly seen before construction begins......... seems anything the heart sees and does not deny, and accepts as true if recognized as truth, no matter how much self pain is invloved, then anything that control sublimly loses ALL power to control, even without any conscious effort, as the heart always remind when the mind seek to do anything that is against what has been duly recognized by the heart.......... but then what admits with an honest heart what itself is, until the time it becomes totally unhappy with it's own creations time and again, lol....... what!!! happiness can keep from going beyond the veil, keeping any need for MORE INFORMATION FROM BEING CREATED, LOL...... so thats why al the **** in human life, as a strong palnt of any type need the **** and mud and mire to become as strong......... well hell, that is opposed to what most religions teach, that we are here to learn to be good by staying away from the ****, but then this is when the **** seems to rain down, lol...... **** is sent until it is loved, seeing it is as problems being sent teaching world class wisdom, and the essence of why mortal for a short spell, lol...... funny, even text spoke of solomons plight of good and bad, and he was not a very nice or good guy, and then this time came when wisdom was sought for how to help and give MORE to others than what had been previously known, and this "desire" allowed wisdom to be granted, lol.......... funny, never hear much about being here on earth to be taught wisdom, just be good, be good, be good, be good, be good, be good, lol....... |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 08/30/08 09:54 AM
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Thanks David. I agree, we are here to learn wisdom and I might ad that we are here to learn to love.
Most of all I think we came here on a mission to find joy in being. Even the most "evil" uncaring man needs to feel loved, wants to love... but in learning how to love the "evil" will fall away and be replaced with good. JB |
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Im here to cause Destruction and CHAOS!!! LOL muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaahahahahahahha
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Im here to cause Destruction and CHAOS!!! LOL muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaahahahahahahha Yeh right.
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 Often I think I am a special agent of Billy Graham. |
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