Topic: did Jesus commit suicide
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Fri 08/29/08 11:33 AM
Edited by Jill298 on Fri 08/29/08 11:34 AM
Holy Trinity- God exists as 3 persons... God the father, God the son ( incarnate as Jesus) and God the holy spirit. God the son came to us as a mortal... born into this world by a mortal. Not being God himself. Jesus wasn't acually "God"

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Fri 08/29/08 11:35 AM


Depends on how you define "suicide". He did not take his life by his own hand, he merely allowed it to happen. So is that suicide in the traditional sense?

However - when someone purposefully involves themselves in a shoot-out with police, they call this phenomina "Suicide by Police". So I suppose the idea of suicide - or our definition of it is evolving. There's evolution for you.


"Eljay" if someone in a shootout with police was God or Jesus ..then no matter how many times the police shot them they wouldn't die ...unless God or Jesus decided to take their own life

so are you agreeing that Jesus committed suicide


If by "laying down his life" (his words, not mine)
it's suicide - yes. If you mean "death by his own hand" - no.

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Fri 08/29/08 11:39 AM
You can't "kill a God" and a God can't kill himself... He always was and always will be. If Jesus was actually God I think it would have been a lil more clear...
God wouldn't need taken care of, born, fed, clothed. And I truly don't believe we, as humans, could be in the presence of God, any God - depending on your beliefs.

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Fri 08/29/08 11:42 AM

Jesus is not God, never was God. People call him "our Lord, King of Kings" and so on... but Jesus was not God himself. He was a mortal. It's a great tale, you should read it sometime flowerforyou


As you have stated, A great tale.

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Fri 08/29/08 11:43 AM

Holy Trinity- God exists as 3 persons... God the father, God the son ( incarnate as Jesus) and God the holy spirit. God the son came to us as a mortal... born into this world by a mortal. Not being God himself. Jesus wasn't acually "God"


but "Jill"...if God exist as "three persons" and Jesus is one of those three persons then isn't Jesus also God?

so are you saying that Jesus being incarnated as a mortal had lesser power than God or the Holy Spirit

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Fri 08/29/08 11:45 AM


Holy Trinity- God exists as 3 persons... God the father, God the son ( incarnate as Jesus) and God the holy spirit. God the son came to us as a mortal... born into this world by a mortal. Not being God himself. Jesus wasn't acually "God"


but "Jill"...if God exist as "three persons" and Jesus is one of those three persons then isn't Jesus also God?

so are you saying that Jesus being incarnated as a mortal had lesser power than God or the Holy Spirit
I'm saying that Jesus was more of a "representitive of God" than God himself. For lack of a better term...

Jill298's photo
Fri 08/29/08 11:45 AM
lol I'm not the Christian here I'm just saying what I know.

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Fri 08/29/08 11:46 AM

Holy Trinity- God exists as 3 persons... God the father, God the son ( incarnate as Jesus) and God the holy spirit. God the son came to us as a mortal... born into this world by a mortal. Not being God himself. Jesus wasn't acually "God"


So you're saying that there isn't actually "One God" but three?

Or are you saying that "God" is a "Group" and not an "Individual"?

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Fri 08/29/08 11:48 AM



Depends on how you define "suicide". He did not take his life by his own hand, he merely allowed it to happen. So is that suicide in the traditional sense?

However - when someone purposefully involves themselves in a shoot-out with police, they call this phenomina "Suicide by Police". So I suppose the idea of suicide - or our definition of it is evolving. There's evolution for you.


"Eljay" if someone in a shootout with police was God or Jesus ..then no matter how many times the police shot them they wouldn't die ...unless God or Jesus decided to take their own life

so are you agreeing that Jesus committed suicide


If by "laying down his life" (his words, not mine)
it's suicide - yes. If you mean "death by his own hand" - no.


"Eljay"... if not death by Jesus's own hands... then explain by who hands

this is becoming a real 'whodunit" ..so come on "Eljay"..... who took Jesus's life

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Fri 08/29/08 11:48 AM


Holy Trinity- God exists as 3 persons... God the father, God the son ( incarnate as Jesus) and God the holy spirit. God the son came to us as a mortal... born into this world by a mortal. Not being God himself. Jesus wasn't acually "God"


So you're saying that there isn't actually "One God" but three?

Or are you saying that "God" is a "Group" and not an "Individual"?
frustrated frustrated frustrated No, that's not what I am saying at all.

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Fri 08/29/08 11:53 AM
Edited by Dragoness on Fri 08/29/08 11:54 AM

You can't "kill a God" and a God can't kill himself... He always was and always will be. If Jesus was actually God I think it would have been a lil more clear...
God wouldn't need taken care of, born, fed, clothed. And I truly don't believe we, as humans, could be in the presence of God, any God - depending on your beliefs.


Actually, the only way for a "god" to die would be for them to kill themselves, as there is no other power higher to take them out. Jesus being born from a virgin makes him more than human. It is an impossible birth otherwise. So to say he was merely mortal is not accurate at all by the bible teachings that is.

I believe he was born the good old fashioned way if he existed and he was a teacher or philosopher who had followers.

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Fri 08/29/08 12:06 PM



Holy Trinity- God exists as 3 persons... God the father, God the son ( incarnate as Jesus) and God the holy spirit. God the son came to us as a mortal... born into this world by a mortal. Not being God himself. Jesus wasn't acually "God"


So you're saying that there isn't actually "One God" but three?

Or are you saying that "God" is a "Group" and not an "Individual"?
frustrated frustrated frustrated No, that's not what I am saying at all.


Well, what you said was...
God exists as 3 persons

So is it one person or three?spock

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Fri 08/29/08 12:13 PM
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Trinity is a Christian doctrine, stating that God exists as three persons, or in the Greek hypostases, but is one being.[1][2] The persons are understood to exist as God the Father, God the Son (incarnate as Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. Since the beginning of the third century[3] the doctrine of the Trinity has been stated as "that the one God exists in three Persons and one substance, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit".[4] Trinitarianism, belief in the Trinity, is a mark of Oriental and Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism and all the mainstream traditions arising from the Protestant Reformation, such as Anglicanism, Lutheranism and Presbyterianism; and the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church describes the Trinity as "the central dogma of Christian theology".[4]

This doctrine is not universally held by groups with ties to the New Testament, but is in contrast to Nontrinitarian positions which include Binitarianism (one deity/two persons), Unitarianism (one deity/one person), the Oneness belief held by certain Pentecostal groups, Modalism, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' view of the Godhead as three separate beings who are one in purpose rather than essence.

The doctrine of the Trinity was of particular importance historically. The conflict with Arianism and other competing theological concepts during the fourth century became the first major doctrinal confrontation in Church history. It had a particularly lasting effect within the Western Roman Empire where the Germanic Arians and the Nicene Christians formed segregated social orders.


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Fri 08/29/08 12:14 PM

You can't "kill a God" and a God can't kill himself... He always was and always will be. If Jesus was actually God I think it would have been a lil more clear...
God wouldn't need taken care of, born, fed, clothed. And I truly don't believe we, as humans, could be in the presence of God, any God - depending on your beliefs.


and "Jill" that brings up the old question can God make a rock so heavy that he cannot lift ..and the answer is no ..because the rock is controlled by the laws of physics but a God has "Free Will" and therefore is not under the jurisdiction of those laws ..a God need no muscles to life a rock therefore a God could never make a rock he could not lift

which means a God can kill anything that is control by the laws of physics...since Jesus had to eat and drink water to live was an indication that Jesus being incarnated as a mortal was under the jurisdiction of the laws of physics could be killed

also since Man was made in the image of God it's no reason why Man couldn't be in the presence of God ...

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Fri 08/29/08 12:15 PM
I never said Jesus couldn't be killed, I said you can't kill a God.

Jill298's photo
Fri 08/29/08 12:16 PM
dang why I am here defending Christians anyway?:laughing:

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Fri 08/29/08 12:18 PM
Did Jesus commit suicide?

I don't know

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Fri 08/29/08 12:21 PM

Did Jesus commit suicide?

I don't know
this will never be answered. To some it's a very legitimate question. To others it's just ridiculous that anyone could even come up with the notion of it.

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Fri 08/29/08 12:23 PM

Did Jesus commit suicide?

I don't know


I was not there at the time so I don't know.

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Fri 08/29/08 12:30 PM
Can we base our facts of what happened at the time through the writings of the bible or could it be that for over the thousands of years the bible has been transformed to where the true story of what actually happened to Jesus is not revealed of what he did or what actually happened to him?