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| Topic: GIANNA JESSEN....SURVIVOR OF THIRD TRIMESTER SALINE ABORTIO | |
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yes Ive seen the video, read the testimonies...Ive also read credible information to the contrary...it irritates me because I dont like exploitation of any kind...especially when its self exploitation to make a buck... What "credible information to the contrary"? I've been looking for said evidence since I read your first post in this thread. Still waiting on that "credible information to the contrary"... |
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yes Ive seen the video, read the testimonies...Ive also read credible information to the contrary...it irritates me because I dont like exploitation of any kind...especially when its self exploitation to make a buck... What "credible information to the contrary"? I've been looking for said evidence since I read your first post in this thread. Still waiting on that "credible information to the contrary"... You might be waiting a long time I think. |
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instead of worrying and arguing about whether abortion is right or wrong, why not place more emphasis on birth control and preventing unwanted pregancies so no one has to ever be in a position to make that decision?
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instead of worrying and arguing about whether abortion is right or wrong, why not place more emphasis on birth control and preventing unwanted pregancies so no one has to ever be in a position to make that decision? Good point to a certain degree ...... but you would still have people screaming that you cannot force them to do something with their OWN body....makes no sense...you go figure..... Lindyy 
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 What kind of world are we born into?
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Edited by
Lindyy
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Thu 08/28/08 06:39 PM
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What kind of world are we born into?
MIRROR, go to the youtube site and listen to Gianna Jessen....you will become encouraged.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-j9CDgRSt8 LINDYY
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 Im not saying Im for abortion. Im merely pointing out the realities that we live in a world of limited resources and we live in a society based upon brutal competition. I consider that to be inhumane. I consider that to be the real crime ,that there are people who have to make these kinds of decisions because of the horrible situations they find themselves in and have no control over.
No control?  Let's see......
1. Birth control 2. Adoption 3. Abstinence I get really irritated when people try to excuse irresponsibility. |
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Im not saying Im for abortion. Im merely pointing out the realities that we live in a world of limited resources and we live in a society based upon brutal competition. I consider that to be inhumane. I consider that to be the real crime ,that there are people who have to make these kinds of decisions because of the horrible situations they find themselves in and have no control over.
No control? Let's see......
1. Birth control 2. Adoption 3. Abstinence I get really irritated when people try to excuse irresponsibility.  Im not excusing anything Just telling the truth about this world.
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So, I just have to say it again.
Why do you want children born who you are unwilling to provide for? Why do you want mothers who's lives are threatened by a pregnacy to have to carry to term? If it doesn't kill them getting there? Why do you want women who have been raped to be forced to carry their rapists child to term reminding them every minute or every day of their lives of their violation? Why do you want children born who's bodies are so compromised by birth defects that the best they can hope for is to suffer and die after their birth? Why do you presume to speak for God? |
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So, I just have to say it again. Why do you want children born who you are unwilling to provide for? Why do you want mothers who's lives are threatened by a pregnacy to have to carry to term? If it doesn't kill them getting there? Why do you want women who have been raped to be forced to carry their rapists child to term reminding them every minute or every day of their lives of their violation? Why do you want children born who's bodies are so compromised by birth defects that the best they can hope for is to suffer and die after their birth? Why do you presume to speak for God? I SPEAK WHAT GOD SAYS IN HIS WORD, THE HOLY BIBLE...PLAIN AND SIMPLE.... LINDYY DEFENDING THE UNBORN CHILD....
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Edited by
Zapchaser
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Fri 08/29/08 05:53 AM
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So, I just have to say it again. Why do you want children born who you are unwilling to provide for? Please see my solutions in my previous post. Why do you want mothers who's lives are threatened by a pregnacy to have to carry to term? If it doesn't kill them getting there? That is a tough one and not for me to decide. Why do you want women who have been raped to be forced to carry their rapists child to term reminding them every minute or every day of their lives of their violation? Another tough one Why do you want children born who's bodies are so compromised by birth defects that the best they can hope for is to suffer and die after their birth? Looking for the perfect race didn't work for Hitler either. Don't stop there.... the Chinese are aborting if the baby is a female. Perhaps we could aim for designer babies? 
Why do you presume to speak for God? I don't presume to speak for God. You posed the questions that lead one to believe you are in favor of aborting a baby in the scenario's you listed. Is not taking a life for your reasons playing God? |
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i don't often get into debates about abortion because i truly do believe it is up to the individual parties.
what choice i would make, pertains to me only and, just because it's something i don't think i could do, doesn't give me the right to either direct and control another's decision, and/or judge them for what they choose to do - on this particular topic. however, this one always stumped me as to a logical pro-life reason: "Why do you want mothers who's lives are threatened by a pregnacy to have to carry to term? If it doesn't kill them getting there?" what if the mother had 2 young children and perhaps was a widow as well? are you saying it's better for those living children to have their last remaining parent be taken from them, in order to bring another dependent life into the world? what if the people who adopted had to split the brothers and sisters? do you think that would benefit them, and in what way? i don't believe in using abortion as a method of birth control, but i do believe that it should be a legal option to terminating a pregnancy for various other reasons. |
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my question is a simple one, why are so many people interested and focused on taking the rights away from "women who chose" to have abortions?
An individuals rights begin at birth until the umbilical cord is severed it (embryo/fetus) is considered part of the mother. Part of her body, therefore her choice. no? |
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I always wanted a child, I was told that I would never carry a child to term, my ex husband and I were licenced to foster children and were in the process of trying to adopt. I got pregnant and lost my child, we resumed the process to adopt. I got pregnant again. I was the picture of health for 28 weeks, then I developed 3 blood clots in my lungs and went into a coma. My kidneys shut down and I was on support.
I was aware of what went on around me, but could not react to any of it, the doctor asked my ex in the room... "we may only be able to save one of them, are you ready to make that decision if need be." My ex said "yes, you will save them both" (Good answer) They took my daughter C-section at 30 weeks, she was on a ventilator for only 3 days (I was given steroids to help develope her lungs) I woke up 2 days later. I had a series of blood transfusions and my daughter was relatively healthy for a child of 3lbs 14oz. She came home a month later. She is a beautiful intelligent 6 and a half year old little girl who is my angel on earth. At age 3 she said to me. "Mommy I picked you." I said "You did?" she said "yes, when I was with the angels." I said well bubba (my nickname for her) if you were with the angels were you an angel?" she said "yes mommy" and I asked her "If you were an angel where are your wings?" she said "I had to leave them behind." I don't believe in abortion...FOR ME. I however will never judge nor be a party to taking that right away from anyone else. Nothing in life happens on accident, and I believe in Chaos Therory. I can not say that in a different time in my life or under different circumstances that I would not have chosen the other option, and I do not believe that what I went through was an accident, it made me a better person all the way around. What kind of person would I be to say that someone MUST go through what I went through? By the way, I'm Pagan, so the whole christian abortion connection I don't buy.... I know plenty of christians who have had them. |
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((((Lily)))) thanks for sharing
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May I ask why taking a child through tragic illness or accident is considered "God's Will" but giving us free will to choose abortion is not?
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 The Republicans love America but hate half the people in it. They dont care about abortion. If they did why havent they stopped it?
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Edited by
MirrorMirror
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Fri 08/29/08 06:55 AM
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Its the womans right to choose. How can I tell a woman what to do with her body? Besides, a lot of people dont have anything to look forward to in life. Its an endless struggle just to survive unless your lucky enough to have rich mommy and daddy.I hate that. I hate that I have had to compete and take from others so I can have a decent life. I hate it and I'll never forget it. And no matter how hard I work to get by, I could lose it all with one bad decision or if I get sick. This isnt a life worth living. Some of you people act like life is a blessing. Its like you think your doing someone a favor by bringing them into this world of struggle and suffering.
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my question is a simple one, why are so many people interested and focused on taking the rights away from "women who chose" to have abortions? An individuals rights begin at birth until the umbilical cord is severed it (embryo/fetus) is considered part of the mother. Part of her body, therefore her choice. no? Her choice? The law says it is so it is. Part of her body? No. Say a person is driving drunk and hits a car being driven by a pregnant woman and she dies- does the baby die? Only when it has been starved of oxygen. Should a paramedic arrive and delivers the living baby before that happens does the mother miraculously revive herself? Of course not. It is so hard for some to realize that the baby is a baby. It doesn't miraculously turn human when the umbilical cord is cut. That is absurdity at its best.If an individuals rights begin at birth then you might want to inform all of the inmates who are in the crow bar motel getting a striped tan after being sentenced for the deat of the mother and her unborn child. |
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my question is a simple one, why are so many people interested and focused on taking the rights away from "women who chose" to have abortions? An individuals rights begin at birth until the umbilical cord is severed it (embryo/fetus) is considered part of the mother. Part of her body, therefore her choice. no? Her choice? The law says it is so it is. Part of her body? No. Say a person is driving drunk and hits a car being driven by a pregnant woman and she dies- does the baby die? Only when it has been starved of oxygen. Should a paramedic arrive and delivers the living baby before that happens does the mother miraculously revive herself? Of course not. It is so hard for some to realize that the baby is a baby. It doesn't miraculously turn human when the umbilical cord is cut. That is absurdity at its best.If an individuals rights begin at birth then you might want to inform all of the inmates who are in the crow bar motel getting a striped tan after being sentenced for the deat of the mother and her unborn child. In the same token, if you are in that car accident and your brain dies and your heart still beats....is that heart viable if removed? You are missing a huge part of your therory about the people in jail for killing a mother and child....THEY COMMITED MURDER...as the law reads abortion is NOT murder. If I commit suicide no one is getting charged with anything. If you kill me, you are getting charged with murder. This isn't a difficult concept. what I do to me is legal(esq).... What you do to me IS NOT. |
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