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my question is a simple one, why are so many people interested and focused on taking the rights away from "women who chose" to have abortions? An individuals rights begin at birth until the umbilical cord is severed it (embryo/fetus) is considered part of the mother. Part of her body, therefore her choice. no? Her choice? The law says it is so it is. Part of her body? No. Say a person is driving drunk and hits a car being driven by a pregnant woman and she dies- does the baby die? Only when it has been starved of oxygen. Should a paramedic arrive and delivers the living baby before that happens does the mother miraculously revive herself? Of course not. It is so hard for some to realize that the baby is a baby. It doesn't miraculously turn human when the umbilical cord is cut. That is absurdity at its best.If an individuals rights begin at birth then you might want to inform all of the inmates who are in the crow bar motel getting a striped tan after being sentenced for the deat of the mother and her unborn child.  What rights? We have no rights before we are born nor after we are born.
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 Its the womans right to choose. How can I tell a woman what to do with her body? Besides, a lot of people dont have anything to look forward to in life. Its an endless struggle just to survive unless your lucky enough to have rich mommy and daddy.I hate that. I hate that I have had to compete and take from others so I can have a decent life. I hate it and I'll never forget it. And no matter how hard I work to get by, I could lose it all with one bad decision or if I get sick. This isnt a life worth living. Some of you people act like life is a blessing. Its like you think your doing someone a favor by bringing them into this world of struggle and suffering.
Man mirror! You are being such a downer!  Stop letting the past control you pal. This isn't a life worth living? Sorry you feel that way. Most of us see it differently.
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my question is a simple one, why are so many people interested and focused on taking the rights away from "women who chose" to have abortions? An individuals rights begin at birth until the umbilical cord is severed it (embryo/fetus) is considered part of the mother. Part of her body, therefore her choice. no? Her choice? The law says it is so it is. Part of her body? No. Say a person is driving drunk and hits a car being driven by a pregnant woman and she dies- does the baby die? Only when it has been starved of oxygen. Should a paramedic arrive and delivers the living baby before that happens does the mother miraculously revive herself? Of course not. It is so hard for some to realize that the baby is a baby. It doesn't miraculously turn human when the umbilical cord is cut. That is absurdity at its best.If an individuals rights begin at birth then you might want to inform all of the inmates who are in the crow bar motel getting a striped tan after being sentenced for the deat of the mother and her unborn child. What rights? We have no rights before we are born nor after we are born.
Surely you don't expect a response to your questions? Are you on the pity pot? Life is a roller coaster. You can enjoy the ride, hate it and scream until it ends, or get off. Those are the three choices.
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I wanna know from all the anti-choice people...what are you ACTIVELY doing to change the laws?
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my question is a simple one, why are so many people interested and focused on taking the rights away from "women who chose" to have abortions? An individuals rights begin at birth until the umbilical cord is severed it (embryo/fetus) is considered part of the mother. Part of her body, therefore her choice. no? Her choice? The law says it is so it is. Part of her body? No. Say a person is driving drunk and hits a car being driven by a pregnant woman and she dies- does the baby die? Only when it has been starved of oxygen. Should a paramedic arrive and delivers the living baby before that happens does the mother miraculously revive herself? Of course not. It is so hard for some to realize that the baby is a baby. It doesn't miraculously turn human when the umbilical cord is cut. That is absurdity at its best.If an individuals rights begin at birth then you might want to inform all of the inmates who are in the crow bar motel getting a striped tan after being sentenced for the deat of the mother and her unborn child. In the same token, if you are in that car accident and your brain dies and your heart still beats....is that heart viable if removed? If your brain dies your heart stops beating. If the heart is removed quickly enough it can be used to save the life of another. You are missing a huge part of your therory about the people in jail for killing a mother and child....THEY COMMITED MURDER...as the law reads abortion is NOT murder. It's not a theory- it is the law. So killing an unborn baby in a car accident is murder but chemically burning it to death or allowing it to be partially born before a scissors is shoved into its brain from the back of its neck is not murder? Hmmmm I will need to ponder that. If I commit suicide no one is getting charged with anything. If you kill me, you are getting charged with murder. This isn't a difficult concept. what I do to me is legal(esq).... What you do to me IS NOT. Apples and oranges. You have been born. What you do is legal only in the constraints of law. |
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I wanna know from all the anti-choice people...what are you ACTIVELY doing to change the laws? That is an unfair question. People's opinions on the complicated issue of abortion are as varied as the scenarios. I would say they are voting their conscience. You? |
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In the same token, if you are in that car accident and your brain dies and your heart still beats....is that heart viable if removed? If your brain dies your heart stops beating. If the heart is removed quickly enough it can be used to save the life of another. You are missing a huge part of your therory about the people in jail for killing a mother and child....THEY COMMITED MURDER...as the law reads abortion is NOT murder. It's not a theory- it is the law. So killing an unborn baby in a car accident is murder but chemically burning it to death or allowing it to be partially born before a scissors is shoved into its brain from the back of its neck is not murder? Hmmmm I will need to ponder that. If I commit suicide no one is getting charged with anything. If you kill me, you are getting charged with murder. This isn't a difficult concept. what I do to me is legal(esq).... What you do to me IS NOT. Apples and oranges. You have been born. What you do is legal only in the constraints of law. Yes, IF it is removed quickly enough...same goes with the baby.... You just stated "You have been born. What you do is legal only in the constraints of law." I rest my case... and please do answer, what are you actively doing to change the abortion laws? |
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I wanna know from all the anti-choice people...what are you ACTIVELY doing to change the laws? That is an unfair question. People's opinions on the complicated issue of abortion are as varied as the scenarios. I would say they are voting their conscience. You? It's very fair, I told my 6 year old this morning, If you are not willing to fix the problem, you are not allowed to complain about it... If you are anti-choice and you do NOTHING to resolve the problem.... you are part of the problem. |
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Zapchaser
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Fri 08/29/08 07:33 AM
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In the same token, if you are in that car accident and your brain dies and your heart still beats....is that heart viable if removed? If your brain dies your heart stops beating. If the heart is removed quickly enough it can be used to save the life of another. You are missing a huge part of your therory about the people in jail for killing a mother and child....THEY COMMITED MURDER...as the law reads abortion is NOT murder. It's not a theory- it is the law. So killing an unborn baby in a car accident is murder but chemically burning it to death or allowing it to be partially born before a scissors is shoved into its brain from the back of its neck is not murder? Hmmmm I will need to ponder that. If I commit suicide no one is getting charged with anything. If you kill me, you are getting charged with murder. This isn't a difficult concept. what I do to me is legal(esq).... What you do to me IS NOT. Apples and oranges. You have been born. What you do is legal only in the constraints of law. Yes, IF it is removed quickly enough...same goes with the baby.... You just stated "You have been born. What you do is legal only in the constraints of law." I rest my case... and please do answer, what are you actively doing to change the abortion laws? You have clearly skimmed over all that I said and your comment makes no sense at all. Concerning your heart comment, the heart is dead when removed but if oxygenated and cooled it has a chance to be transplanted. You are comparing a baby to an organ? |
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In the same token, if you are in that car accident and your brain dies and your heart still beats....is that heart viable if removed? If your brain dies your heart stops beating. If the heart is removed quickly enough it can be used to save the life of another. You are missing a huge part of your therory about the people in jail for killing a mother and child....THEY COMMITED MURDER...as the law reads abortion is NOT murder. It's not a theory- it is the law. So killing an unborn baby in a car accident is murder but chemically burning it to death or allowing it to be partially born before a scissors is shoved into its brain from the back of its neck is not murder? Hmmmm I will need to ponder that. If I commit suicide no one is getting charged with anything. If you kill me, you are getting charged with murder. This isn't a difficult concept. what I do to me is legal(esq).... What you do to me IS NOT. Apples and oranges. You have been born. What you do is legal only in the constraints of law. Yes, IF it is removed quickly enough...same goes with the baby.... You just stated "You have been born. What you do is legal only in the constraints of law." I rest my case... and please do answer, what are you actively doing to change the abortion laws? You have clearly skimmed over all that I said and your comment makes no sense at all. Concerning your heart comment, the heart is dead when removed but if oxygenated and cooled it has a chance to be transplanted. You are comparing a baby to an organ? Let's keep posts in tact then so it is easier to follow, what part do you not understand? |
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my question is a simple one, why are so many people interested and focused on taking the rights away from "women who chose" to have abortions? An individuals rights begin at birth until the umbilical cord is severed it (embryo/fetus) is considered part of the mother. Part of her body, therefore her choice. no? Her choice? The law says it is so it is. Part of her body? No. Say a person is driving drunk and hits a car being driven by a pregnant woman and she dies- does the baby die? Only when it has been starved of oxygen. Should a paramedic arrive and delivers the living baby before that happens does the mother miraculously revive herself? Of course not. It is so hard for some to realize that the baby is a baby. It doesn't miraculously turn human when the umbilical cord is cut. That is absurdity at its best.If an individuals rights begin at birth then you might want to inform all of the inmates who are in the crow bar motel getting a striped tan after being sentenced for the deat of the mother and her unborn child. Zap, while I respect your views, I dont follow your logic, this is like comparing apples to oranges. These arguments/disagreements will continue but I am looking for facts. I found that indeed an individual rights begin at birth and until the umbilical cord is severed (embryo/fetus) is a part of it's mother. Cant argue with that, it is attached to it's mother via placenta/umbilical cord. Can we agree on this? Also maybe I misunderstood, but if an individuals rights do not begin until birth, why are so many trying to get involved or share/push their views on those women who chose to have abortions? |
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just realized how slow I am, read all of the posted responses, and Lily has addressed most of my questions...
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I'm comparing the fact that the heart is still beating just as a baby is still alive at point of inpact (sometimes that is) and when removed after impact, depending on how quickly it is done it has a chance to live/be used.
without the mothers support (for either the child or the heart) the organ or baby has little to no chance to survive... At this point is is neither here nor there, as that was not an intrical part of the arguement, it was simply a point of reference. The point to all of that was, if you are driving drunk and kill me and my unborn child that is murder, and as the law reads if I have an abortion it is not. |
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I wanna know from all the anti-choice people...what are you ACTIVELY doing to change the laws? That is an unfair question. People's opinions on the complicated issue of abortion are as varied as the scenarios. I would say they are voting their conscience. You? It's very fair, I told my 6 year old this morning, If you are not willing to fix the problem, you are not allowed to complain about it... If you are anti-choice and you do NOTHING to resolve the problem.... you are part of the problem. Thank you. I agree that it is a problem. Would you be happy if we all quit working to go to Washington and protest? We vote for representatives that speak for us in whatever it is we believe- pro-abortion or pro-life. Congress makes the laws and they are voted in. Please don't make me explain what we all know about the branches of the federal govt. Typing text on a dating site isn't part of the solution. The upcoming election is. Vote your conscience. |
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In the same token, if you are in that car accident and your brain dies and your heart still beats....is that heart viable if removed? If your brain dies your heart stops beating. If the heart is removed quickly enough it can be used to save the life of another. You are missing a huge part of your therory about the people in jail for killing a mother and child....THEY COMMITED MURDER...as the law reads abortion is NOT murder. It's not a theory- it is the law. So killing an unborn baby in a car accident is murder but chemically burning it to death or allowing it to be partially born before a scissors is shoved into its brain from the back of its neck is not murder? Hmmmm I will need to ponder that. If I commit suicide no one is getting charged with anything. If you kill me, you are getting charged with murder. This isn't a difficult concept. what I do to me is legal(esq).... What you do to me IS NOT. Apples and oranges. You have been born. What you do is legal only in the constraints of law. Yes, IF it is removed quickly enough...same goes with the baby.... You just stated "You have been born. What you do is legal only in the constraints of law." I rest my case... and please do answer, what are you actively doing to change the abortion laws? You have clearly skimmed over all that I said and your comment makes no sense at all. Concerning your heart comment, the heart is dead when removed but if oxygenated and cooled it has a chance to be transplanted. You are comparing a baby to an organ? Let's keep posts in tact then so it is easier to follow, what part do you not understand? The blond portions |
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In the same token, if you are in that car accident and your brain dies and your heart still beats....is that heart viable if removed? If your brain dies your heart stops beating. If the heart is removed quickly enough it can be used to save the life of another. You are missing a huge part of your therory about the people in jail for killing a mother and child....THEY COMMITED MURDER...as the law reads abortion is NOT murder. It's not a theory- it is the law. So killing an unborn baby in a car accident is murder but chemically burning it to death or allowing it to be partially born before a scissors is shoved into its brain from the back of its neck is not murder? Hmmmm I will need to ponder that. If I commit suicide no one is getting charged with anything. If you kill me, you are getting charged with murder. This isn't a difficult concept. what I do to me is legal(esq).... What you do to me IS NOT. Apples and oranges. You have been born. What you do is legal only in the constraints of law. Yes, IF it is removed quickly enough...same goes with the baby.... You just stated "You have been born. What you do is legal only in the constraints of law." I rest my case... and please do answer, what are you actively doing to change the abortion laws? You have clearly skimmed over all that I said and your comment makes no sense at all. Concerning your heart comment, the heart is dead when removed but if oxygenated and cooled it has a chance to be transplanted. You are comparing a baby to an organ? Let's keep posts in tact then so it is easier to follow, what part do you not understand? The blond portions oh yes, if you are losing the arguement, the best thing to do is go straight to insult...Can we keep this on topic please... and I addressed it in a later post. |
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my question is a simple one, why are so many people interested and focused on taking the rights away from "women who chose" to have abortions? An individuals rights begin at birth until the umbilical cord is severed it (embryo/fetus) is considered part of the mother. Part of her body, therefore her choice. no? Her choice? The law says it is so it is. Part of her body? No. Say a person is driving drunk and hits a car being driven by a pregnant woman and she dies- does the baby die? Only when it has been starved of oxygen. Should a paramedic arrive and delivers the living baby before that happens does the mother miraculously revive herself? Of course not. It is so hard for some to realize that the baby is a baby. It doesn't miraculously turn human when the umbilical cord is cut. That is absurdity at its best.If an individuals rights begin at birth then you might want to inform all of the inmates who are in the crow bar motel getting a striped tan after being sentenced for the deat of the mother and her unborn child. Zap, while I respect your views, I dont follow your logic, this is like comparing apples to oranges. These arguments/disagreements will continue but I am looking for facts. I found that indeed an individual rights begin at birth and until the umbilical cord is severed (embryo/fetus) is a part of it's mother. Cant argue with that, it is attached to it's mother via placenta/umbilical cord. Can we agree on this? Also maybe I misunderstood, but if an individuals rights do not begin until birth, why are so many trying to get involved or share/push their views on those women who chose to have abortions? Thanks fran! The point I was trying to make was that it is law. If you drive drunk and kill a mother and an unborn baby you will be charged for TWO murders. How can you be charged if the baby is considered a "viable tissue mass?" |
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I wanna know from all the anti-choice people...what are you ACTIVELY doing to change the laws? That is an unfair question. People's opinions on the complicated issue of abortion are as varied as the scenarios. I would say they are voting their conscience. You? It's very fair, I told my 6 year old this morning, If you are not willing to fix the problem, you are not allowed to complain about it... If you are anti-choice and you do NOTHING to resolve the problem.... you are part of the problem. Thank you. I agree that it is a problem. Would you be happy if we all quit working to go to Washington and protest? We vote for representatives that speak for us in whatever it is we believe- pro-abortion or pro-life. Congress makes the laws and they are voted in. Please don't make me explain what we all know about the branches of the federal govt. Typing text on a dating site isn't part of the solution. The upcoming election is. Vote your conscience. No, but how about this, write your congressmen, donate to anti-choice organizations, march in your parades, put bumperstickers on your car...whatever it is that you think you need to do... I assume you don't work 24 hours a day 7 days a week... It's great to have strong views about something, but if you do nothing about it... it's all for not. I can spout off "free tibet" but if I don't support that movement, I'm a hypicrit.... Don't be that hypicrit... |
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my question is a simple one, why are so many people interested and focused on taking the rights away from "women who chose" to have abortions? An individuals rights begin at birth until the umbilical cord is severed it (embryo/fetus) is considered part of the mother. Part of her body, therefore her choice. no? Her choice? The law says it is so it is. Part of her body? No. Say a person is driving drunk and hits a car being driven by a pregnant woman and she dies- does the baby die? Only when it has been starved of oxygen. Should a paramedic arrive and delivers the living baby before that happens does the mother miraculously revive herself? Of course not. It is so hard for some to realize that the baby is a baby. It doesn't miraculously turn human when the umbilical cord is cut. That is absurdity at its best.If an individuals rights begin at birth then you might want to inform all of the inmates who are in the crow bar motel getting a striped tan after being sentenced for the deat of the mother and her unborn child. Zap, while I respect your views, I dont follow your logic, this is like comparing apples to oranges. These arguments/disagreements will continue but I am looking for facts. I found that indeed an individual rights begin at birth and until the umbilical cord is severed (embryo/fetus) is a part of it's mother. Cant argue with that, it is attached to it's mother via placenta/umbilical cord. Can we agree on this? Also maybe I misunderstood, but if an individuals rights do not begin until birth, why are so many trying to get involved or share/push their views on those women who chose to have abortions? Thanks fran! The point I was trying to make was that it is law. If you drive drunk and kill a mother and an unborn baby you will be charged for TWO murders. How can you be charged if the baby is considered a "viable tissue mass?" Let me draw you a pie chart and a graph here.... If the mother of the child has an abortion that is legal.... If you NOT THE MOTHER OF THE CHILD cuts it out of me and kill me and the child it's MURDER... Now is that so hard? I as the mother have that right, you as the NOT mother of the child or myself do not have that right to do any harm to us. I can explain it again in crayon if it will help. |
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I'm comparing the fact that the heart is still beating just as a baby is still alive at point of inpact (sometimes that is) and when removed after impact, depending on how quickly it is done it has a chance to live/be used. Again, you are missing the point. The heart is an organ. The baby is a human being. It receives oxygen and nutrition as well as passing waste via the umbilical cord. Its heart is NOT connected to the mother's heart and its blood is not the mother's blood.It is a human being. In the event the mother dies the baby can be born before its oxygen supply ends so it can be allowed to breathe on its own. without the mothers support (for either the child or the heart) the organ or baby has little to no chance to survive... Yes. due to lack of oxygen and nutrition. Ever try to breathe underwater? Its called drowning.
At this point is is neither here nor there, as that was not an intrical part of the arguement, it was simply a point of reference. Referring to something that does not pertain to the discussion is misleading, hence the blond comment. My apologies.
The point to all of that was, if you are driving drunk and kill me and my unborn child that is murder, and as the law reads if I have an abortion it is not. Yes. Therein lies the irony of it all. Accidentally killing is murder but sticking a scissor into the baby's brain or frying it in saline is legal. Go figure. Maybe mirror is right? We are a sick society. |
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