Maybe because it has nothing to do with God?

so what happens to us isnt always what happens to us, but also the other people involved.
pain can be a lesson to both sides?
the individual maybe chose whilst on a higher plane to choose their pain to teach others as well as themsleves?

I wish there was some kind of way outta this world (besides death). Im still looking

I wish there was some kind of way outta this world (besides death). Im still looking

There is.

I can show you the way.

But I can't easily tell you.

Sorry.

then show me please.

I don't think yourlove1 knows what he is talking about. I don't agree with anything he has said here. Its just his opinion and you are right, it doesnt make any sense.

so you're saying God don't control your soul?

If God controlled your soul you wouldn't have any free will.

Moreover, it wouldn't be yours. It would be God's.

I supposed that could make sense in a pantheistic view.

Are you a pantheist?

whats a pantheist?

so you're saying God don't control your soul ?

It's a very broad abstract term that simply means "All is One" or "All is God".

The roots of the word come from: pan = all and Theos = God.

Pantheistic = All is God.

There are many religions that have various pantheisic views and the term and they don't necessarily reject the idea of "many-in-one".

They basically hold that we all arise from the same source and we all return to the same source.

Pantheism itself isn't exactly a religion (although some people do use or absuse that label to label their religions).

However, patheism as a phiolosophy holds that we all arise from a single source (call it god if you like) and we all return to the source in the end (usually after many incarnations in various lives)

In this sense the panthesitic "god" if you want to call it that, truly has unconsitional love, as no 'souls' are lost to any type of eternal damnation. All 'souls' return to god.

It's the only picture that I'm aware of that has a God who truely loves "Unconditionally" .

Compare that with the Biblical God which places many conditions on his love and according to the Bible the vast majority of 'souls' are lost to eternal damnation (or at least to perishing out of existence altogether) whilst only very few are 'saved'. The idea that you can 'save yourself' by accepting Jesus as your Savior actually doesn't come from the Bible. Jesus himself said that he will denounce many who claim to know him.

So even according to Jesus himself he may reject you even though you think you have accepted him.

In any case, the Biblical God clearly loses many souls and has extremely conditional love.

If you are interested in pantheistic ideas of nature (or "god") you should look into it.

They only thing that I would personally ask of you is that you don't allow anyone to pass off pantheism as a 'religion' especially as a dogmatic one (one where they have well-defined rules or ideas of what God 'expects' from anyone).

A truly pantheistic view of God makes no demands on anyone.

I will give you the following website just as an idea of how some people think of it. But please know that I am not supporting this particular website or their ideas.

http://www.pantheism.net/

I might add that panthiesm can either be a religion or just a philosophy. In other words it can make sense to either a theist or an atheist and it offers principles that can be useful for either view.

I would also like to add that pantheistic views are amoung the oldest views that mankind ever thought up so anyone who tries to tell you that pantheism is 'new age' is full of it. Although, having said that, there may be 'new age' religions that fall under the category of having pantheisic views.

Other religions that have pantheitics concepts are Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and just about all of the Eastern Mysticisms.

The Native American Indians also had pantheisic views of 'god' in their idea of Wanka Tanka. She was the god of nature, the god of the world. They didn't think of her as a 'goddess' in the humanisic sense of the ancient Greek or Mediterranean female Goddesses. They thought of her more in terms of spirit. Like we think of Mother Nature, and Mother Earth.

The American Indians had a unique view in that much of their view was pantheistic (God is in everying). Everything contains the spirit of god (including us and animals) but also she is in the rivers, and the forests, and the trees.

In fact the phrase, "Knock on Wood" was an old Indian saying that means to appeal to the spirt of the forest (the spirit of the trees) by tapping on a tree (wood).

So the American Indians view Wanka Tanka to be in everything. She is the spirit of life and all of the universe and everything in it. However, they also though in terms of a 'heaven' or spirit world where all individual spirits will reunite after this life. The did not beleive in a hell. All spirits go "Home" to be with Wanka Tanka. Whether or not you were good in this life will determine how much shame you will carry in the next.

Smiless has recently started a thread with many sayings from the American Indians. You might enjoy reading them:

http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/159357


He also started a thread on Buddhism here:

http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/158240

As I've said Buddhism is pantheistic in it's views as well.

I see that you have yourself listed as a Buddhist. Perhaps you're just not aware of the term "pantheism" and how it fits into the Buddhist views.

Anyway, if this wasn't confusing enough let me know and owl see if I can make it even more confusing.

thank you. i wasnt aware of the word but im familiar with the concept.

I kinda guessed as much. But I just like to type.