Topic: if you are
sara89's photo
Thu 08/28/08 12:15 AM












then whats the point of living if the two cant interact?
your body is of the earth and your soul is of God . when you die , your soul is still alive ...


why ould god give a soul a body that couldnt function, couldnt even do anything?
if the mind ws unaware of the world, what would be the point in staying in it?
God has nothing to do with your body , he only has control over your soul .


then why would it matter if you killed yourself?
cause is wrong to do harm to your body, God says its a sin to harm your body cause your body is the temple of heaven ..


so it doesnt matter how much you hurt as long as youre not the one causing pain....that doesnt make anysense.
ya , cause our bodies are only human , but our soul is'nt . so our bodies will become weak and sick in time . But our soul remains the same ..

but what if the soul suffers? what ifthe soul has too much pain? it didnt choose that pain to be inflicted on it, so why cant it stop it?

your soul is never in pain ... your soul will only suffer pain when you stand before God and he says you're going too Hell ......


i dont thinks that true. unless your saying that the soul cant feel joy on an everyday basis. the soul feels, and it feels all things. how can it not suffer?if it can love..then it can hurt
its a different kind of hurt and joy . cause "GOD" controls your soul -- "YOU" control your body .....

doesnt make sense.

YourLove1's photo
Thu 08/28/08 12:19 AM













then whats the point of living if the two cant interact?
your body is of the earth and your soul is of God . when you die , your soul is still alive ...


why ould god give a soul a body that couldnt function, couldnt even do anything?
if the mind ws unaware of the world, what would be the point in staying in it?
God has nothing to do with your body , he only has control over your soul .


then why would it matter if you killed yourself?
cause is wrong to do harm to your body, God says its a sin to harm your body cause your body is the temple of heaven ..


so it doesnt matter how much you hurt as long as youre not the one causing pain....that doesnt make anysense.
ya , cause our bodies are only human , but our soul is'nt . so our bodies will become weak and sick in time . But our soul remains the same ..

but what if the soul suffers? what ifthe soul has too much pain? it didnt choose that pain to be inflicted on it, so why cant it stop it?

your soul is never in pain ... your soul will only suffer pain when you stand before God and he says you're going too Hell ......


i dont thinks that true. unless your saying that the soul cant feel joy on an everyday basis. the soul feels, and it feels all things. how can it not suffer?if it can love..then it can hurt
its a different kind of hurt and joy . cause "GOD" controls your soul -- "YOU" control your body .....

doesnt make sense.
There's 2 kinds ,,, there's hurt, pain and joy of the MIND and then there's hurt, pain an joy of the soul which come's from God ...

no photo
Thu 08/28/08 12:45 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Thu 08/28/08 01:06 AM
Sorry Sara....had to delete that website I shared earlier.....saw some of just man's opinions mixed in, that I don't agree with...my apologies...will share correct info later when I can..having severe pc probs right now....

no photo
Thu 08/28/08 07:19 AM
My perspective...forget everything you know and think you know.

Body - Spirit - Soul

Your body is obvious, but your Spirit and Soul are often confused.

Your spirit is from God and is your link to God. Your soul gives your body life. Your soul is YOU, your personality, thoughts and emotions.

Your soul is filtered through your body. Imagine light going through a lens. The light that goes into the lens is pure light, which is comparable to your soul unfettered by your body. The light that comes out of the lens is comparable to how your soul presents itself through your body.

A person who has mental illness has a disease of the body, not the soul. Your soul presents itself through your body differently based upon the condition of your body and brain.

Why do those people exist? I'm sure that God has many reasons.

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Thu 08/28/08 07:24 AM
Edited by Spidercmb on Thu 08/28/08 07:28 AM
Your spirit and soul are from God, but your body is the result of a genetic lottery. Your body is the result of the union between your father and mother. God doesn't plan those things to happen, it's just the way it is. To believe that God plans for us to have our bodies would mean that God arranges rapes and incest, which isn't true. Although God doesn't directly give us our bodies, God expects us to do the best we can with what we have.

This is also a chance to explain something. To the Jewish mind, all things that happen are attributed to God. This is because God has control over all things. Even when God doesn't directly cause an action, God has allowed it to happen. This is always for the best for everyone, but often times it will seem to be capricious or even evil.

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Thu 08/28/08 07:25 AM
oh but it does





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the soul has nothing to do with the body

no photo
Thu 08/28/08 07:28 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 08/28/08 07:29 AM













then whats the point of living if the two cant interact?
your body is of the earth and your soul is of God . when you die , your soul is still alive ...


why ould god give a soul a body that couldnt function, couldnt even do anything?
if the mind ws unaware of the world, what would be the point in staying in it?
God has nothing to do with your body , he only has control over your soul .


then why would it matter if you killed yourself?
cause is wrong to do harm to your body, God says its a sin to harm your body cause your body is the temple of heaven ..


so it doesnt matter how much you hurt as long as youre not the one causing pain....that doesnt make anysense.
ya , cause our bodies are only human , but our soul is'nt . so our bodies will become weak and sick in time . But our soul remains the same ..

but what if the soul suffers? what ifthe soul has too much pain? it didnt choose that pain to be inflicted on it, so why cant it stop it?

your soul is never in pain ... your soul will only suffer pain when you stand before God and he says you're going too Hell ......


i dont thinks that true. unless your saying that the soul cant feel joy on an everyday basis. the soul feels, and it feels all things. how can it not suffer?if it can love..then it can hurt
its a different kind of hurt and joy . cause "GOD" controls your soul -- "YOU" control your body .....

doesnt make sense.


I don't think yourlove1 knows what he is talking about. I don't agree with anything he has said here. Its just his opinion and you are right, it doesnt make any sense.

Redykeulous's photo
Thu 08/28/08 08:10 AM
No, the devil has your soul and you need to find a good exercist.

If you're not religious find a good psychiatrist, of course if you're schizophrenic, you're problably having extremely spiritual delusions, so go for the exercist.

The mind is amazing - what can cure is often as simple as what one believes.

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Thu 08/28/08 08:50 AM
Edited by voileazur on Thu 08/28/08 08:54 AM
Spider wrote:



Your soul is YOU, your personality, thoughts and emotions.



Not to argue 'spider's' perspective in any way, shape or form, but the perspective to which I subscribe, with respect to spirit and soul, is at the opposite end of the personal spectrum proposed by 'spider'.

Spirit and soul, in my perspective, are pure abstractions.

Given this perspective of abstraction, there is no relation whatsoever IMPerspective, between Spirit and Soul, and 'ME', as my 'I' knows 'ME': 'I', the 'Identity', the 'self-awareness illusion making machine'.

Fron that vantage point, spirit and soul have nothing to do with 'my' personality, 'my' thoughts, 'my' opinions, 'my' beliefs, etc.

If anything, spirit and soul (quite distinct from the falsehoods of 'MY SPIRIT', and 'MY SOUL') are only present and accessible as the abstractions that they are, when we momentarily surrender our 'attachment' to 'EGO': what we know, what we believe, what we are convinced that we are!!!

Only then is spirit and soul present, and never IMO, is it present as a PERSONAL, 'I' BASED, phenomenon.

If anything, the abstractions of spirit and soul are an inappropriatable, impersonal, and a totally paradoxical link to the 'universal', the whole, the all/nothing, which will always, elude the 'I', the identity, the 'ego'; the picture or illusion (self-awareness default) of the thing, will never be thing, no matter how precise or convincing the quality of the illusionary reproduction.

Momentary and 'willful' detachment from 'I', is essential, and pre-conditional to being present to the impersonal and universal domains of 'spirit and soul'.

Of course, my perspective.


sara89's photo
Thu 08/28/08 01:00 PM

Sorry Sara....had to delete that website I shared earlier.....saw some of just man's opinions mixed in, that I don't agree with...my apologies...will share correct info later when I can..having severe pc probs right now....

anything you could share would be helpful. thank you ;.

sara89's photo
Thu 08/28/08 01:02 PM

My perspective...forget everything you know and think you know.

Body - Spirit - Soul

Your body is obvious, but your Spirit and Soul are often confused.

Your spirit is from God and is your link to God. Your soul gives your body life. Your soul is YOU, your personality, thoughts and emotions.

Your soul is filtered through your body. Imagine light going through a lens. The light that goes into the lens is pure light, which is comparable to your soul unfettered by your body. The light that comes out of the lens is comparable to how your soul presents itself through your body.

A person who has mental illness has a disease of the body, not the soul. Your soul presents itself through your body differently based upon the condition of your body and brain.

Why do those people exist? I'm sure that God has many reasons.

but what is the souls function in a body like that? its not aware that its suffering. it cant think..you essentially are not you because of the diseaes. whyt would a god allow that?

sara89's photo
Thu 08/28/08 01:03 PM

Your spirit and soul are from God, but your body is the result of a genetic lottery. Your body is the result of the union between your father and mother. God doesn't plan those things to happen, it's just the way it is. To believe that God plans for us to have our bodies would mean that God arranges rapes and incest, which isn't true. Although God doesn't directly give us our bodies, God expects us to do the best we can with what we have.

This is also a chance to explain something. To the Jewish mind, all things that happen are attributed to God. This is because God has control over all things. Even when God doesn't directly cause an action, God has allowed it to happen. This is always for the best for everyone, but often times it will seem to be capricious or even evil.

very true. god wants us to make the best...what if the best is death? or is that not an option?

sara89's photo
Thu 08/28/08 01:04 PM














then whats the point of living if the two cant interact?
your body is of the earth and your soul is of God . when you die , your soul is still alive ...


why ould god give a soul a body that couldnt function, couldnt even do anything?
if the mind ws unaware of the world, what would be the point in staying in it?
God has nothing to do with your body , he only has control over your soul .


then why would it matter if you killed yourself?
cause is wrong to do harm to your body, God says its a sin to harm your body cause your body is the temple of heaven ..


so it doesnt matter how much you hurt as long as youre not the one causing pain....that doesnt make anysense.
ya , cause our bodies are only human , but our soul is'nt . so our bodies will become weak and sick in time . But our soul remains the same ..

but what if the soul suffers? what ifthe soul has too much pain? it didnt choose that pain to be inflicted on it, so why cant it stop it?

your soul is never in pain ... your soul will only suffer pain when you stand before God and he says you're going too Hell ......


i dont thinks that true. unless your saying that the soul cant feel joy on an everyday basis. the soul feels, and it feels all things. how can it not suffer?if it can love..then it can hurt
its a different kind of hurt and joy . cause "GOD" controls your soul -- "YOU" control your body .....

doesnt make sense.


I don't think yourlove1 knows what he is talking about. I don't agree with anything he has said here. Its just his opinion and you are right, it doesnt make any sense.

lol well at least im not alone in thinking that...

Jess642's photo
Thu 08/28/08 01:05 PM

then whats the point of living if the two cant interact?


How did a disorder become soulless?

Ever thought that perhaps there is more soul, not less, in those that are societally special?

I have many people in my world who have disorders, some chemically treated, some herbally and naturopathically treated, and they are more soulful, that 90% of the walking dead called society.

sara89's photo
Thu 08/28/08 01:05 PM

No, the devil has your soul and you need to find a good exercist.

If you're not religious find a good psychiatrist, of course if you're schizophrenic, you're problably having extremely spiritual delusions, so go for the exercist.

The mind is amazing - what can cure is often as simple as what one believes.

huh

sara89's photo
Thu 08/28/08 01:07 PM

Spider wrote:



Your soul is YOU, your personality, thoughts and emotions.



Not to argue 'spider's' perspective in any way, shape or form, but the perspective to which I subscribe, with respect to spirit and soul, is at the opposite end of the personal spectrum proposed by 'spider'.

Spirit and soul, in my perspective, are pure abstractions.

Given this perspective of abstraction, there is no relation whatsoever IMPerspective, between Spirit and Soul, and 'ME', as my 'I' knows 'ME': 'I', the 'Identity', the 'self-awareness illusion making machine'.

Fron that vantage point, spirit and soul have nothing to do with 'my' personality, 'my' thoughts, 'my' opinions, 'my' beliefs, etc.

If anything, spirit and soul (quite distinct from the falsehoods of 'MY SPIRIT', and 'MY SOUL') are only present and accessible as the abstractions that they are, when we momentarily surrender our 'attachment' to 'EGO': what we know, what we believe, what we are convinced that we are!!!

Only then is spirit and soul present, and never IMO, is it present as a PERSONAL, 'I' BASED, phenomenon.

If anything, the abstractions of spirit and soul are an inappropriatable, impersonal, and a totally paradoxical link to the 'universal', the whole, the all/nothing, which will always, elude the 'I', the identity, the 'ego'; the picture or illusion (self-awareness default) of the thing, will never be thing, no matter how precise or convincing the quality of the illusionary reproduction.

Momentary and 'willful' detachment from 'I', is essential, and pre-conditional to being present to the impersonal and universal domains of 'spirit and soul'.

Of course, my perspective.



then why do we have them? and how exactly are we connected to them?what makes us who we are if not our soul?
im sorry im not trying to argue im just curious

DeathsTreaty's photo
Thu 08/28/08 01:19 PM
Mind body and soul Work Together, but are not all the samething

"Insane"...is a part on the mind


Your soul takes the bigest part of what makes the person

the body is the reaction or product of what the other two might agree on or not

Your soul isnt what goes insane


You have a soul aslong as you are alive still

No soul is no Life


no photo
Thu 08/28/08 01:21 PM


Your spirit and soul are from God, but your body is the result of a genetic lottery. Your body is the result of the union between your father and mother. God doesn't plan those things to happen, it's just the way it is. To believe that God plans for us to have our bodies would mean that God arranges rapes and incest, which isn't true. Although God doesn't directly give us our bodies, God expects us to do the best we can with what we have.

This is also a chance to explain something. To the Jewish mind, all things that happen are attributed to God. This is because God has control over all things. Even when God doesn't directly cause an action, God has allowed it to happen. This is always for the best for everyone, but often times it will seem to be capricious or even evil.

very true. god wants us to make the best...what if the best is death? or is that not an option?


Death is the end of the struggle and toil we have in life. To end your own life is murder and giving up. Therefore, suicide is never the best we can do. We must struggle to overcome our problems, not give into them.

Jess642's photo
Thu 08/28/08 01:25 PM



Death is the end of the struggle and toil we have in life. To end your own life is murder and giving up. Therefore, suicide is never the best we can do. We must struggle to overcome our problems, not give into them.


One of the wisest things I have read of yours Spider.

Thankyou.



May I also add, for you Sara, that life does not always have to be a struggle... not always is it suffering, there are joys, and highlights, even in the mundane .... we only have to have an open heart, and an open mind. flowerforyou

sara89's photo
Thu 08/28/08 01:27 PM


then whats the point of living if the two cant interact?


How did a disorder become soulless?

Ever thought that perhaps there is more soul, not less, in those that are societally special?

I have many people in my world who have disorders, some chemically treated, some herbally and naturopathically treated, and they are more soulful, that 90% of the walking dead called society.


i was just wondering if the people who cant fuction if they would still consider themselves..who they were and if it would be better if they died before it got that bad