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Topic: If the WORD of Jesus is worth anything at all,...
Abracadabra's photo
Thu 08/14/08 06:29 AM
There will be no more judgments passed by Christians!

These are the words of Jesus according to John,...

John 12:47 "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world."

Jesus himself has said that if any man hear his words and believe not, Jesus will not judge him.

Any Christian who judges non-believers of Jesus to be rejecting God is a self-made hypocrite.

They are on their own. Jesus does not stand behind them. They stand on their own egotistical judgments alone without Jesus.

Jesus himself said that he does not judge those who have heard his word and do not believe.

So any Christian who tells me that I'm rejecting God, or that I am in any way being judged by God to be his enemy they are a liar. To make such a claim is to spit in the face of their own Jesus.

Jesus said by his own word that he does not judge the non-believer for not believing!

So BUG OFF ye hypocrites who do this.

No more shall any man Judge me in the name of Jesus Christ.

Because Jesus himself said no! He will not support that.

No more judging in the name of Jesus. It's clearly against his will.

No Christian can claim that those who do not believe in the words of Jesus are rejecting him. Jesus himself said that it's ok to not believe. He will not judge the non-believer.

So any Christian who takes it upon themselves to judge the nonbeliever is alone and on their own.

They are rejecting the very words of Jesus himself.

You cannot claim that non-believers are rejecting Jesus. Jesus himself won't permit it. It's in your book, go read it!

They'll be no more judging in the name of Jesus.

All non-believers please copy the words of Jesus above and paste them in the face of any Christian who claims that you are rejecting God if you don't believe in Jesus. They are outright liars. Jesus himself refutes their claims.

This is the first time I really wish this forum had signatures at the bottom of posts. I'd use the above verse as my signature and I will denounce any Christian who claims that I'm rejecting God just because I don't believe in Jesus. Jesus' himself has proclaimed that this is not a valid accusation.

They'll be no more judging in the name of Jesus. That's blatant hypocrisy. It's against Jesus' own words.

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Thu 08/14/08 06:37 AM
Wow, you must really be upset and effected to go on about it like that!! Best wishes to you, and may you find peace and a relationship with a Higher Power! flowerforyou drinker

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Thu 08/14/08 06:43 AM
Abracadabra,

I do not judge for it is not my place to judge. I believe that everyone has their own personal truth and who am I to judge that. I am a Christian. Do I have to agree with everyone? No. Do I have the right to think that someone's actions are wrong? Yes. Does that mean that I deem that person wrong or bad because of their actions? No.

People make mistakes. People has false thoughts and ideas. We are human it happens.

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Thu 08/14/08 06:43 AM
Edited by Spidercmb on Thu 08/14/08 06:51 AM
Romans 3:23

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


Everyone fails. When a Christian judges unfairly, don't they deserve forgiveness too? Who hasn't judged another unfairly? Christianity is about love, God's love for us, our love for him and our love for our fellow man. Those are lofty goals and we will often miss the mark. Should the response to a Christian who judges, be judging him or her?

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Thu 08/14/08 06:44 AM

You haven't seen the terrible filthy judgments that so-called "Christians" have been passing on me lately just because I don't believe in Jesus.

I think it's high time that they recognize that they are lone hypocrites who are not speaking for Jesus at all.

flowerforyou

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Thu 08/14/08 06:46 AM

Abracadabra,

I do not judge for it is not my place to judge. I believe that everyone has their own personal truth and who am I to judge that. I am a Christian. Do I have to agree with everyone? No. Do I have the right to think that someone's actions are wrong? Yes. Does that mean that I deem that person wrong or bad because of their actions? No.

People make mistakes. People has false thoughts and ideas. We are human it happens.


If you don't judge non-believers for not believing then you're not one of the hypocrites that I was referring to. bigsmile

It's not a blanket statement. I'm only posting this for those who judge non-believers.

If you don't do that, then it's not addressed to you. flowerforyou

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Thu 08/14/08 06:47 AM
Interesting ..too bad it's not ever going to happen..they will continue to judge those of us who do not believe regardless what their prophet says

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Thu 08/14/08 06:48 AM
Not every Christians are perfect. We all at times fall short in the word of our Lord. I consider my self a Christian.. am I perfect.. NO!!! But we are forgiven for our sins if we just ask.

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Thu 08/14/08 06:50 AM


You haven't seen the terrible filthy judgments that so-called "Christians" have been passing on me lately just because I don't believe in Jesus.

I think it's high time that they recognize that they are lone hypocrites who are not speaking for Jesus at all.

flowerforyou
You have that right not to believe. Thats your choice.

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Thu 08/14/08 06:51 AM

Wow, you must really be upset and effected to go on about it like that!! Best wishes to you, and may you find peace and a relationship with a Higher Power! flowerforyou drinker


If one follows the words of Jesus, reads and grasps this passage... It would stand to reason that one would be moved to at least question the purpose of it's message?

People see what best fits their paradigms. Although Abra's words make complete sense to me, others may have motives for discounting all of it. If you discredit someone who has a view that isn't like yours, you can deem him wrong and therefore deem yourself right.

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Thu 08/14/08 06:52 AM

Romans 3:23

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


Everyone fails. When a Christian judges unfairly, don't they deserve forgiveness too? Who hasn't judged another unfairly? Christianity is about love, God's love for us, our love for him and our love for our fellow man. Those are lofty goals and we will often miss the mark. Should the response to a Christian who judges should be judging him or her?


So why did you post Romans 3:23 ?

What does that have to do with judging non-believers to be rejecting God?

I'm just telling them to quit it and that I won't stand for it anymore. I'll just keep pasting John 12:47 in their face until they wise up. flowerforyou

I'm tired of hearing it.

Miguel is right Spider.

It's unChristianlike to tell a non-believer of Christianity that it's wrong to not believe.

Jesus does not support that accusation.

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Thu 08/14/08 06:53 AM

Interesting ..too bad it's not ever going to happen..they will continue to judge those of us who do not believe regardless what their prophet says


Well at least now you know what verse to shove in their face. drinker

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Thu 08/14/08 06:58 AM

Not every Christians are perfect. We all at times fall short in the word of our Lord. I consider my self a Christian.. am I perfect.. NO!!! But we are forgiven for our sins if we just ask.


Like I said. The OP is not a blanket statement.

It's only addressed to those who are guilty of the crime. flowerforyou

I used to be a Christian. My mother was a Christian. Most of my relatives are Christians. Many of my friends were or still are Christians.

But none of them judge non-believers in any way shape or form.

So it's definely not meant to be a blanket statement.

It only applies to those who accuse non-believers of doing something wrong by not believing in the Bible. Clearly that's a bogus accusation that is not supported by Jesus himself. flowerforyou

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Thu 08/14/08 07:04 AM


Interesting ..too bad it's not ever going to happen..they will continue to judge those of us who do not believe regardless what their prophet says


Well at least now you know what verse to shove in their face. drinker


Thanks Abra you've always seemed to know the best thing to say :wink:

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Thu 08/14/08 07:15 AM

So why did you post Romans 3:23 ?

What does that have to do with judging non-believers to be rejecting God?


Nobody is perfect. Everyone fails to meet their own standards, let alone yours. We should all keep that in mind.


I'm just telling them to quit it and that I won't stand for it anymore. I'll just keep pasting John 12:47 in their face until they wise up. flowerforyou

I'm tired of hearing it.

Miguel is right Spider.

It's unChristianlike to tell a non-believer of Christianity that it's wrong to not believe.

Jesus does not support that accusation.


That's true, I have already posted in favor of this position. Now you can say "Spider is right" laugh I guess there is a first time for everything.

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Thu 08/14/08 07:26 AM

That's true, I have already posted in favor of this position. Now you can say "Spider is right" laugh I guess there is a first time for everything.


Well, I'm glad to see that you've finally seen the light.

This is quite a turn around for someone who started a thread only about a week ago on how only "believers" are childern of God.

Just for the record, I wasn't thinking of you when I started this thread. But I must confess that you have appeared to hold this position in the past. I'm glad to hear that you no longer feel this way. flowerforyou

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Thu 08/14/08 07:32 AM
Edited by Spidercmb on Thu 08/14/08 08:31 AM


That's true, I have already posted in favor of this position. Now you can say "Spider is right" laugh I guess there is a first time for everything.


Well, I'm glad to see that you've finally seen the light.

This is quite a turn around for someone who started a thread only about a week ago on how only "believers" are childern of God.

Just for the record, I wasn't thinking of you when I started this thread. But I must confess that you have appeared to hold this position in the past. I'm glad to hear that you no longer feel this way. flowerforyou


I haven't changed my position, according to the scriptures, only Christians are the children of God. We are adopted children, but God's children none the less. I don't believe that one could read the words of Jesus or the words of the New Testament authors and come to any other conclusion. But we are all brothers and sisters in the human condition.

As I said before, Christians are told to love their neighbors, not love their brothers. Since everyone is our neighbor, we are to love everyone.

I have never held the position that someone is bad for not being a Christian, that position has been projected onto my words by others. If I have somehow given that impression, it was unintentional. I think that the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, particularly Paul, make it clear that non-Christians are our brothers and should be loved and cherished as human beings.

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Thu 08/14/08 07:35 AM
Edited by wouldee on Thu 08/14/08 07:41 AM
King abra speaks.

all hail his might pontificance

all hail the arrogant one.

your words, o mighty malicifent dictator.....



No more shall any man Judge me in the name of Jesus Christ.


and your life's mission is nothing but refuting and renouncing and redefining Jesus as a contemptible, arrogant, duplicitous , hypocritical egotist bent on making you His pet for eternity and His slave for His amuement and doing so through myth and legend and abhorrant practices of stining unruly children and destroying innocents ..Sodom and Gomorrah...and confusing the world and incompetently loosing evil on the world only to satiate His lust for power and control by transferring that dysfunctional idiocycrracy onto man and requiring payment for his own lkapse of incredibly incohehrent judgement, unworthy of a thinking man's respect and admiration.


sit down , you pompous and arrogant liar.

take your throne, idiot.

there is no truth in you.

your mentors heads will called to account and the bereft soul through which you angrily and hatefully impose your will on in these threads to endure your duplicitous nonsense and folly testifies of the corrupt and disengenuous lust and pride that furthers your ambitions of unmeritorious revisionism in the name of intelligent and thoughtful discourse and good manner and taste.


You make no sense and you own issues of heart are brought to your remembrance and perusal in reflection and reminder of the very accusations you spew in your altered and dysfunctional state.


At the core of this present whine and complaint is the strawman fallacy crumbling in whimpering defeat incapable of standing in the merits easrned for impossibly articulatng the veracity and infallibility of Darwin's diemma and the hidden agenda behind the magical curtain of the buffons hujacking science in the name secular humanism and their fascist plot to declare God dead by attempting to forcefeed delusional imaginations of man being monkey, revisited.


All of it, to refute the claims of scripture and the import of the truth that Jesus Christ is Almighty God and that all of God's love to man is an]vaailable to man from God Himself to one and all and not from men.


Well, when you are viewed in the light of that and the light of your own record and the light of your own failure to disprove that evolution is nothig more than a delusional fabrication parading itslef as fact and truly nothing more than dead ended CONJECTURE or deceitful and disengenuous men with a hidden agenda to lord thier depravity over simple men and scorn and deride truth and sincerity in the absence and lack of that very embrace to spew nonsesnse as wisdom and guesses as fact....

then yes, o mighty ponticant one, o insignificant one, mighty king abra...


yes indeed you are judged.

yes indeed you are judged by your own deceptions.

you are judged on the merits of your incompetence and confusion.

you are judged and disproved because you embrace conjecture and delusions as fact.

because you spout your authority of things that escape you, namely Christianity and the Holy Bible and how you contrive to reduce it to myth and fable and dogma while you embrace lies and distortions contrived in conjecture (evolution and science in that regard_) as fact and truth.

which cannot be so and judgement due their deceit and conjecture displays the very contempt of truth employed to confuse and dceive and distort that source and power responsible for Creation and anture and man and his environment.



yes, o mighty king abra, you are judged.

you have judged yourself.

you make no sense.

you draw at straws.

you whine.

you complain.

you are indefensibly found out.




enjoy your pity party with your minions, o great distorion.







if ever a man did judge himself and agree to disagree with that judgement, it is king abra, the pontificant one.

all hail his most arrogance and duplicity.









sit down before you hurt yourself, abra.






you are judged by the wise to be bereft of truth.




you judge yourself everyday that your own words and actions are displayed for you to wallow in.



I will give you this, though.


at least you sense it and try to defelct it and cover it up and hide it with ypour incessant whing and inept protestation.



every day is pure misery and suffering for the wicked,

didn't you get the memo.?



sit down .


before you hurt yourself any further, O Daft an Disengenuous Malignant one.


Take the throne of your kingdom in stride, O Haughty One.




think think think think think think think think


slaphead winking waving :thumbsup:







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Thu 08/14/08 07:41 AM
King abra speaks.

all hail his might pontificance

all hail the arrogant one.


Thank you for your post Wouldee.

This is as far as I got. All the rest was wasted typing.

You're insistence on judging me in the name of Jesus is dispicable.

That's all I have to say Wouldee.

I posted the words of Jesus.

If you want to argue with Jesus be my guest.

Have a great day Wouldee. flowerforyou

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Thu 08/14/08 07:46 AM
there you go, folks.

enjoy.bigsmile

It has been my pleasure to bring abra's words to his face.

now you know.

:heart:

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