JB.

Isn't that the rub, though?

Jesus is god. Deny and diprove that jesus is not, otherwise, carry on in your own belief.

when the other shoe drops, should you or anyone be so shocked to find that bacpedaling from that fact is a lie in the heart of the Christian that has found what was given?

It is the Holy Spirit.

The proof is readily available to all, and the Chirstian finds it.

The others do not, and scream for truth and facts and proof from uis.

Get the same proof and truth we have nbeen given.

Do not whine and complain and excuse you choice othwerwise as being beat over the head with delusional faith based fairy tales and failing to endeavor to find out for yourself from God with no man in between.

You all want proof of God and you ask men for that proof.

Are you still in kindergarden?

Do you understand even the simplest thoings and how to comprehend a stright forward path of inquiry at all?

you are being foolish.

More so, ignorant and deceptive in your protestations for orppf from man of a Gpod that offers proof directly.

but one either values righteousness and truth or one does not. And in the course of living that conviction, one way or another, will each so do as in the heart and act on it accordingly.

so no mincing of words, JB.

Cut to it and stop already with the deceit and arrogance in that regard.

If you truly wanted to know Gpod for yourself, you would have by now or you wou;ld by now be on a different path of inquiry.

You are safe in your innocuous and unchallenging pursuits of all information.

Except for one thing. You are not prepared to seek Gd for yourself, nor are you ready to behave yourself for your own goods by speaking only the truth and challenging yourself to voercome every lie.

It smacks of failure to you.

It also is a nice little diversion for you to endlessly pursue the lack of committment from you in acquiring more minutia and acting on none of it with resolve.

Now then, about evolution and the point beyond the proof of God which you are truly not interested in.

No proof.

only speculation and opinions that the conjecture is correct by virtue of the vocal minority of its high priests and prophets .

It is a faith based delusion in the imagiinary wishful thinking of people that want to disprove God by proving an assumption of a delusional man with a fsantastic imagination . Darwin.

and the audacity to demand that evolution is not about Darwin.

...That is true. It is about a vain attempt to deconstruct God as though God could be deconstructed.

Trying to undo the divinity of Jesus Christ by edict that man is evolved from monkeys is the most ridiculous agenda I have seen successfully foisted upon ignorant aand foolish men that profess to be learned and wise.

So it's about righteousness or the abandonment of righteousness as a treasure due the heart's employ.

Go to God for proof of God. The path is plain.

go to the evidence and prove evolution with the facts. the path is plain.

and document it. no heresay. divulge credible sources.


But quite honestly JB, you should leave that to others since all information is truth too you.

You have no clue what truth is and absolutely no discernment of what constitues truth with a mindset such as that. It is a waste of everyones time and energy were to to spout your information gathered as truth wothout exercising the due diligence to verify its authenticity first for yourself.

You have no responsibility to that according to your aCTIONS AND YOUR DISTINCTIONS GIVEN YOURSELF BY YOURSELF.

Most people do not accept that as mature and believeable.

It is like this. If you do not care enough to verify that the things you share are credible and trustworthy, then how will you ever convince anyone to take you seriously?

Which goes to why i am bothering you with an answer anyway.

Partly because you wish to hear some drivel from me, and partly because your a classic example of the drivel that accompanies the shallowness of conjecture and opinion and hype that partades as fact and truth in this world.


prove evolution.

you cannot because the idiots that spout that lie cannot.

prove God.

for yourself that is what you seek There is no other way.

But at the end of the day, evolution fantasies will not disprove anything but the lack of attention given to its fallacies by its devotees.

Oh I get it!!

It is Carbon Copy Dating!

Well yeh, Feral is the expert.

She matched me up with Abracadabra.

(Of course she was a little late, we had been having secret cyber love-ins for months. LOL. )

JB

JB

Of course I have silly woman.......I always always look at both sides.....(thats good sense and science)

I find it interesting that a person who who doesn't have......always is trying to prove it false....Faith is something that is a gift of God.....Everyone has the capability of having it...But not all will.

None of this contradicts anything at all for me. It's is everyone else that spews about the three subject that brought me to do it...


So prove it


You all are always asking me to prove and I do....to the best of my ability.


so far I have not even seen an attempt.....just contempt to keep putting down my beliefs...How truly sad......You have the chance to prove it....and all of you just skip it and put down Christians.....am I surprised.....not at all.

And that is not meant for you personally JB....just what is on my heart to say.

And trust me JB.....I have looked and looked and the more I do the more I am convinced of a creator........

You will never understand scripture without an open heart.....and if there is a view of God being a myth or Christ, or the his word being a book of fables...It will never happen. Sorry but that is the truth.

There is no line drawn, to where you people will stoop is there..........

....Faith is something that is a gift of God.....

This is not about whether there is a creator or not. This is about ridged adherence to the ideas set forth in the Bible that insist that Christians turn their back on scientific knowledge for fear it conflicts with what they have been told.

JB

Okay okay, any more of that and you two should get a room.

Well if that's true than no one can have faith unless God gives it to them. So any arguments that people need to have faith on their own is totally moot.

They'll just have to wait for God to give them faith. Until then there's nothing that can be done. In fact, for Christians to run around demanding that people have faith in God would be utterly silly if you believe that faith is a gift from God.

You'd be trying to give God's gift for him. But only he could give that gift. So the whole evangelical mindest shoots itself in the foot.



Truly. Evolution in no way denies a creator. It simple shows how the creator created.

It's just in conflict with the Bible. But so what? The Bible's in conflict with itself so untill those issues have been resolved why even bother with things external to the self-inconsistent stories?

truth does not require religion .

it only requires the beginnings of speaking it.

truth.

when documentation gives caveats, truth is excused.

it is in the "if, then" of every treatise on evolution and the origins of man that conjecture is all there is.

no truth.

no links. too many gaps.

whatever they have found that is not man is not man.

I don't acre what they say, it is not man.

evolutioin falls on its face every time.

I am only asking for the feather. the wing of a bird. flight.

that transition is not the only one that is inescapably impossib;e to track.

there are many others.

But the feather is the most significcant transition. Most significant indeed.

Give me proof. simple.


man is man, not some other humanoid form. period.

the gaps are too wide. the links unconvincing even to the best of them. They all say, if.

they all say they must extrapolate the trannsition. Doesn't fly.

Parading conjecture as fact is erroneous and lazy and incompetent.

The rush to judgement never proivided the collateral. proof.

never.

Man is man. period.

a bird is a bird. period.


The issue is the leap that the evolutionist took when they convinced academia to parade the conjecture as fact, and only so that justiufication of the continued investigations could provide the missing imperical evidence to prove or disproive the theory.

They hjave worked backwards from the assumption that their idea is correct and only attempt to keep the idea alive intil they can come up with the answers.

There are no answers.

there is no transition.

there is only what there is, differnt manifestations of flora and fauna.

it is what it is.

It is a romantic notion but it has a very sinister end game for a goal.

the end game was and is is to discount that Jesus blood is anything but monkey blood. monkey blood is not the blood of a man made in God's image and likeness. It is am animal of chance and circumstance and not unique, and without uniqueness in this regard, God and the blood of Jesus are of no consequence.

The goal is to remove the crdibility of the laws of God given man as the ten commandments, for one thing. It involves the whole of the worship of God, by man, in every form and tradition, at all.

No God, no morality.

No Supreme Being , no accountability.

No accountability, no responsibility.

At the heart of the pursuit is to negate creation having been spoken into existence by God.

Shateering that frees man to be autonomous in the earth.

That is not insignificant.

It is very significant, and it is what is sought after as the prize of proving evolution irrefutably as fact.

So, prove it.

proof, not conjecture.

We have time.

I will wait.

we all will wait.

and we are still looking, the believers and the non-believers alike, every day, working together to prove or disprove a theory uncontrollably and recklessly concluded as fact while aimlessly unsubstantiable in its dead end at this present time.

too many gaps. different animals.

too many reckless and hasty judgements all leaving the door open to any possibility throughout the discipline.

Evolution is a discredit to science.

It is a black eye.

It failed.

Academia knows this, but the 'ifs' are still there.

Nothing can move forward, and science and academia will not admit their recklessness and foolishness for abridging the rules regarding imperical evidence and their veracity, meaning truthful representation as irrefutable fact.

It will never come to the fruition sought for.

The science is improving. technology is improving.

scientifically, it is nothing but a catch 22 for the institutions of higher education and their credibility as infallable institutions to be trusted implicitly.

They have failed to honor their very own discipline and competence.

The whole of the anxiety is over the losses suffered by the adherants to the theory and all of their dashed high hopes to declare God dead and bury God and remove the traces from the minds and hearts of mankind.

That was the goal at the beginning and that is the goal sought at the end, but the lies cannot bring it to a fruitful end.

It is a dead end of conjecture.

It is not a viable theory.

It has no basis in fact,

In fact, it has left the stench of lies and manipulation of the imperical evidence and disguised the truth in an overwhelming mountain of useless duplication of effots that all lead to the same dead end.

It may a hypothesis after all, still parading as a theory.

Ir is no longer honored with a sure distinction as theory in the minds of many so accredited to declare it as theory or hypothesis.

It has gone backwardss. period.

It is only conjecture.

That's it.

Simple.

So is the motive.

To attempt to dismantle Jesus and reconstruct him as nothing more than a piece of meat with a brain and an idea. Ultimately, that is the sinister nature of this foolishness that cannot be proved as fact yet aprades its conjectures around as though it will be fact in a matter of time, so why not see it as the finished work it is now, even without the collateral. Proof. truth. fact.


show us the proof.

without the ifs, and without the caveats and without the conjecture that leaps over the gaps in the imperical record.


The only thing that is certain is that there were other hominids in the earth, but the were not man.

The Bible says they were here too.

But the vowelless consonants of early Hebrew are too far removed to know for certain just how exactly every word written was meant without the vocal inflections and how the flow of the words formed sentences. That much is known, because the grammatic rules were that each sentence was given a number, mid sentence, to denote the number of words in the sentence. Beyond that I cannot tell you here much more, just to say it is not an easy task.

So let's not mince words over niceties.

This is a serious battle between those that love righteousness and those that hate it.

It is that simple, really.

It is that sinister to those tht love depravity to veil the importance of their cloaked intents in the matter of proving the hypothetical nortion thaT MAN IS EVOLVED FROM Goo.

prove it.

just prove it.

Or, we can talk about why morality and truth and uprightness is a foolish supperstition stteeped in mythology and fable, despite the content that says the Holy Spirit is here for man to partake of and know the reconciliation to God in truth and righteousness.

Or we can discuss why righteousness is not all that important to others that cannot see their way to admit that righteousness does include, of all things, Jesus Christ.

If there is an love of righteousness, it must include Jesus Christ. He cannot be excluded from all that constitutes the sum total of what righteousness is in the hearts and minds of men everywhere.

The offensive nature peculiar to Christianity is that Jesus is Almighty God, not that he was a righteous man.

At the end of the day, that is what this whole thing is about.

So let's get it on.

Let's go there.

put it on the table.

or keep dancing and act like it is a game.

round and round in lies and and half truths parading as fact and truth.

Truth dictates that the truth be told.

Fine.

Let's hear some.

stop parading conjecture as fact and speak the truth only.

Bare the motives, bare the desire. That is the truth.

anything less is deceit and arrogance.


or dance....



and pay the fiddler.

Wouldee:




The claim that the man you call Jesus is God and the insistence that this is truth is indeed the offensive nature of Christianity. To claim this with no proof what so ever to offer others is the offensive nature of Christianity.

As you have said

prove it

Don't tell me about truth.

prove it

Don't ask for proof from others for truth if you have none for your claim to it.

Its all just opinion.

You believe you have truth, then be happy with that and leave others to their own.

Find your peace.

JB




I am walking talking proof JB.

I am walking talking proof JB.

No Jeannie, people won't find out your real age through carbon dating!!!

In fact it's not at all for people like you.

On the other hand, it is for people like Feral. Her reaction to it all puzzles me greatly. Escpecially since she is the Queen of 'Carbon Dating', with her 'matchmaking' of 'perfect kinds' site.

Carbon dating actually matches you with mates whom think exactly like you, so you never have to worry about sleeping with an unrepentent sinner, or worse yet, the devil incarnate.

It finds your 'carbon copy' for a date so to speak!

voileazur, I am one of Debbie's matches and Tom and I are both christians, but what the hell gives you the right to judge Debbie. She matches people on their likes and dislikes, not their religious beliefs. Debbie is one of the best people I have ever had the honor to know and to call a friend and for you to say these things is vile, and you will rot in hell for it. Leave Debbie alone, she does things that other people on this site wish they could do.

Voileazur will rot in Hell?

Who do you think you are anyway? Judge and jury?

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JB

voileazur, I am one of Debbie's matches and Tom and I are both christians, but what the hell gives you the right to judge Debbie. She matches people on their likes and dislikes, not their religious beliefs. Debbie is one of the best people I have ever had the honor to know and to call a friend and for you to say these things is vile. Leave Debbie alone, she does things that other people on this site wish they could do.

Voileazur will rot in Hell?

Who do you think you are anyway? Judge and jury?

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JB