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Topic: Do you believe in coincidence?
msdestinbooty Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 1915	Mon 07/21/08 08:07 PM
things happen for a reason even if we dont want them too they happen

PATSFAN Joined Mon 12/10/07 Posts: 42782	Mon 07/21/08 08:08 PM
HEY...drop that towel.... Geez, you'll find a way to flirt on any thread.... Don't mind me. I'm just jealous. I guess today is my day

Beachfarmer Joined Tue 04/17/07 Posts: 24661	Mon 07/21/08 08:09 PM
sometimes reasons happen by coincidence

HMontana Joined Thu 12/20/07 Posts: 5037	Mon 07/21/08 08:09 PM
I believe in The Higher Power AND the free will given to man. The belief in free will seems pretty incongruous with the notion that everything happens for a reason. Unless the "reason" that it happened was for the promotion of free will, which would be circular and nonsensical. Nice. We attract that which we are seeking, IMO...so, we have the free will to believe whatever we wish...it might take a being bigger than us to bring that desire to fruition. Serendipity/coincidence - whatever you choose.

Beachfarmer Joined Tue 04/17/07 Posts: 24661	Mon 07/21/08 08:10 PM
I believe in The Higher Power AND the free will given to man. The belief in free will seems pretty incongruous with the notion that everything happens for a reason. Unless the "reason" that it happened was for the promotion of free will, which would be circular and nonsensical. Nice. We attract that which we are seeking, IMO...so, we have the free will to believe whatever we wish...it might take a being bigger than us to bring that desire to fruition. Serendipity/coincidence - whatever you choose. or chooses you

soxfan94 Joined Mon 05/28/07 Posts: 3384	Mon 07/21/08 08:10 PM
Your position is understandable and I would not expect to sway you. However, I've seen and experienced enough in my life to believe events are not completely random. There is always a pattern even among seemingly random events. First, thanks for the civility and let me be clear that I'm not trying to tell anyone they're wrong or change anyone's mind. This is all opinion. I'm curious though about these patterns that you find. What about times in your life where there were no patterns when it seemed like there should be? What about times when the pattern only fit because you were simply looking at the instances which fit the template of the pattern instead of realizing all of the instances which were outliers to the expected pattern? I just don't think you can pick convenient patterns and claim that everything has a pattern. The outliers don't prove the rule.

curtiswall Joined Sun 03/02/08 Posts: 220	Mon 07/21/08 08:16 PM
NO!!!! everything you have in your life are from you. exp thoughts to fellings than fellings to actions witch equals results.. or bibel terms results are the fruit witch you produce and thoughts are the root of the tree they grow on.

Unknow Joined Sat 12/15/07 Posts: 41170	Mon 07/21/08 08:16 PM
Your position is understandable and I would not expect to sway you. However, I've seen and experienced enough in my life to believe events are not completely random. There is always a pattern even among seemingly random events. First, thanks for the civility and let me be clear that I'm not trying to tell anyone they're wrong or change anyone's mind. This is all opinion. I'm curious though about these patterns that you find. What about times in your life where there were no patterns when it seemed like there should be? What about times when the pattern only fit because you were simply looking at the instances which fit the template of the pattern instead of realizing all of the instances which were outliers to the expected pattern? I just don't think you can pick convenient patterns and claim that everything has a pattern. The outliers don't prove the rule. My point of view is most easily explained by the Chaos theory. Things that seem to be random have an underlying order.

lilangel2 Joined Wed 03/05/08 Posts: 9096	Mon 07/21/08 08:17 PM
I belive there is a tootsie roll at the center of my tootsie pop!

soxfan94 Joined Mon 05/28/07 Posts: 3384	Mon 07/21/08 08:18 PM
My point of view is most easily explained by the Chaos theory. Things that seem to be random have an underlying order. Chaos theory, if I recall it correctly, has no relevance to human interaction...rather it pertains to the underlying chemical and biological interaction of all existing matter. That wouldn't necessarily have any impact on anything involving cognizance or emotion.

Beachfarmer Joined Tue 04/17/07 Posts: 24661	Mon 07/21/08 08:18 PM
I belive there is a tootsie roll at the center of my tootsie pop! It's not coincidence that someone will ask ..how many licks it takes.

auburngirl Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 18811	Mon 07/21/08 08:19 PM
Did we narrow it down to only emotion?

soxfan94 Joined Mon 05/28/07 Posts: 3384	Mon 07/21/08 08:22 PM
Did we narrow it down to only emotion? No not at all, I was just using emotion as an example that the Chaos theory may not cover all of the situations being discussed. I used emotion as an example because I think that when most people say that everything happens for a reason, they are often referring to interactions between humans and generally emotional things such as love.

HMontana Joined Thu 12/20/07 Posts: 5037	Mon 07/21/08 08:23 PM
Did we narrow it down to only emotion? Are you kidding? Where's the fun in THAT?

auburngirl Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 18811	Mon 07/21/08 08:23 PM
Did we narrow it down to only emotion? Are you kidding? Where's the fun in THAT? I KNOW you aren't asking ME that HM!!

Unknow Joined Sat 12/15/07 Posts: 41170	Mon 07/21/08 08:23 PM
My point of view is most easily explained by the Chaos theory. Things that seem to be random have an underlying order. Chaos theory, if I recall it correctly, has no relevance to human interaction...rather it pertains to the underlying chemical and biological interaction of all existing matter. That wouldn't necessarily have any impact on anything involving cognizance or emotion. It has been applied in many different areas not strictly biological, although you are correct in the fact that it has never been applied to human interaction or behavior. I just used it to illustrate my observations throughout the years. If this thread is still around tomorrow, I will tell a story that happened to me today which once again confirmed my belief. I'm not disposed to talk about it today. It is too emotionally charged for me at this point.

symbelmyne Joined Mon 01/14/08 Posts: 5356	Mon 07/21/08 08:26 PM
coincidence is what happens when you get out of the way and let life take care of itself......

HMontana Joined Thu 12/20/07 Posts: 5037	Mon 07/21/08 08:27 PM
coincidence is what happens when you get out of the way and let life take care of itself...... Nice summation.

auburngirl Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 18811	Mon 07/21/08 08:27 PM
Actually when I think about coincidence, it really isn't emotion that I think of, at least first. For me, being widowed, the "Does everything happen for a reason" is a loaded question that I still struggle with some parts of it partaining to him. However, I don't think that people that come into our lives is coincidence at all. I think we are made to cross paths for various reasons and like someone else stated, we often draw to ourselves, that which we actually seek, subconsciously or not.

soxfan94 Joined Mon 05/28/07 Posts: 3384	Mon 07/21/08 08:29 PM
It has been applied in many different areas not strictly biological, although you are correct in the fact that it has never been applied to human interaction or behavior. I just used it to illustrate my observations throughout the years. If this thread is still around tomorrow, I will tell a story that happened to me today which once again confirmed my belief. I'm not disposed to talk about it today. It is too emotionally charged for me at this point. Right, there are mathematical and other applications to it, but I still feel that all it proves is that all actions and reactions within a controlled natural system (earth, math, smaller systems, etc.) are all related to each other. First of all, I don't think that this proves that there is any reason for any of it. And secondly, I don't think that it's applicable to humans since the introduction of self awareness, responsiveness, and emotion changes all of the underlying premises which the Chaos theory needs. It's like using a robot to depict love...it's just not compatible. I'd be interested in hearing your story whenever you might get around to posting it...the thread will be here.