Wow JB. Do you make this up as you go along?

It is quite arrogant of you to assume you know all of what I believe...or even why I believe it....or that I somehow don't understand.

You might be surprised by my experience.

""Outside of time and space...all just IS. ""

Sounds like Pure Thought waiting to start all over again.

TELL ME - i want to hear???

I have talked about how everything is connected and always will be connected but still people don't seem to understand that individuality is also paramount in the scheme of things conscious. Then when I say I don't want to become assimilated into the hive mind, you think I am choosing to be separate?

Being separate is not possible. There is only the illusion of separate. That is the universal plan for creating order out of chaos.

The mind worlds are worlds of time and space and worlds of order and information.

There would be no point in consciousness manifesting as individuals, collecting information and experience, organizing it and creating the universal mind worlds for developing individual life forms with expertise in the creative processes and information retrieval and management if all that happens is that they die and melt back into the chaos of consciousness with no mind and no information.

But if that keeps you calm I guess you can believe that.

JB

I don't have to assume what you believe. You revealed it with what you posted.

What you "don't understand" is what I believe. You assumed instantly that I would choose "separate" because I refuse to be assimilated into the nirvana of the hive mind in which you believe and envision.

If you have read any of my posts you would know that I have always stated that everything is connected. How could you think that I would or do choose 'SEPARATE'? Separate is not possible.

JB

I haven't said that there is no purpose and that the information is lost ...

If you maintain your individuality completely after you die though ... how do you explain hundreds of people claiming to be Cleopatra in a former life?

That subject is actually covered in the book that you claim to have, ~~~ called "The Holographic Universe" that you have not read yet.

The information and experience of being Cleopatra (or anyone) is contained in the universal mind and very possibly also contained in the very DNA in our bodies. The Book discusses the strange thing called memory and how it is handled and stored in a holographic universe. It is very interesting.

JB

No I have not read it yet. I have seen a lot of work that does not support the theory though. But I will read it with an open mind.

Work that "does not support" the theory is not saying that it completely discredits the theory either. I would like to know of any work that knocks the theory completely out of the water and I would like to know what premise the alternate information is based upon.

I always seek new information opposite that which I have considered. Please let me know what this information is.

JB

Let me jump in my TARDIS and see if i can find a definition

I know a young guru who claims to have made contact with some of the things I speak of concerning personalities and individuals who seem to exist in the consciousness fields.

From his description of his experience he has visited his higher self where he encountered what he described as "faces."

These "faces" were individuals who have their own experiences and information that he was allowed to tap into via telepathic communications and information exchanges.

He has experienced many levels of consciousness to include the nirvana of being one with absolutely everything. He said that it was really nice ... for a while but after a while... a bit boring.

According to him he was free to exist at that level for as long as he wanted to or he was free to go where ever his attention took him.

I found his lectures extremely interesting as I have heard his descriptions of the "talking heads" (individuals) from other people who have visited their higher self.

Some of his techniques for attaining these states involve crystals but mostly sacred geometry.

JB

From my standpoint you have steadfastly refused to even consider the possibility of the existence of truthful contradicting information. Moreover, the content of the unconscious elements within your own personality which directly affect your conscious perspective have not been acknowledged, let alone appropriately understood.

Your expectations of things to come blind you to what is being experienced.

Unconscious perception has a strong hold on consciousness.

Artgirl stated that there was information that "did not support" the holographic model. I know there is a lot that "does not support" it. But If she has something that knocks it out of the water, or a book she can give me the name of I will and fully intend on ordering it as soon as possible and reading it.

You, Creativesoul have never that I can recall, offered any so-called "truthful" contradictory information for me to look at and consider other than your personal opinions, so your statement above is pure character assassination.



So kindly go practice your psycho analysis on someone else. I understand myself quite well and I don't need an analysis. I realize that you fancy yourself as one.

Personally I don't believe they (shrinks) have any answers. Is that what you are planning or practicing to be?

Now when I ask for the information she spoke of, it was not a challenge. I really do want it and intend to read it very carefully.

You butt in and make personal attacks. Take it somewhere else please. I am not interested.

JB

Just because the information was not recognized by you does not equate to a non offering.

Character assessment is not assassination JB. This is my own personal conclusion drawn after many conversations with you. In each of these conversations, I began and ended with the same notion. Throughout all of them, the subject matter was redirected by yourself to the point of one of us missing the point. That is the reason they all began and ended with the same statement by myself.

The most puzzling part of conversations with you is the saying of one thing but the showing of another. Earlier in our discussions there were implicit meanings within my words. That is how I usually speak, because it is an effective method of allowing a bridge of understanding to be built between different people without negativity. To these styles of expression you responded by claiming that I had no point, or it was like pulling teeth to get a straight answer from me.

Do straight answers even exist? Everything is relative.



That was not even close to an analysis, just an observation. Out of the knowledge of our past discussions, the need arose for me to abort the implicit meanings and be much more direct based upon my own personal observations without making assumptions to why those behaviours have been expressed by you.

They have none the less. It is for you to figure out why, and the answers you seek will never be found looking out.

As the brutal and honesty queen, you should realize that this is not meant as an attack... just as help.

Your choice to refuse the consideration.

My choice to abort the conversation.

Well whatever it was, (and I don't remember what you are referring to) if I did not acknowledge it then I must have judged it to be unsatisfactory.



Bingo! In the past you have accused me of character assassination and insulting you after I did a character assessment of you, ~~and now you are saying that character assessment is not a "character assassination."

Thank you for seeing things my way.



Thank you for your personal conclusion, but that really is not the topic of the thread.

It is easy to miss your point when you very seldom have one or it is stated so ambiguously that it is anyone's guess what it is.



That tactic might work with most people but I call it talking out of both sides of your mouth. It has a very negative effect in communications with me, as I have told you. I prefer direct to-the-point well written statements in communication with all i's dotten and all t's crossed and all comma's in place. That helps.



Yes. Strait answers do exist. You just don't like them for some reason.



Whatever the purpose of your post or observation you stated what I consider to be a distorted picture of me. This may be your opinion and you are entitled to it, but it was unnecessary.

If I need your "help" in the future I will be sure to ask for it.

I meant what I said. I would like Artgirl to refer me to any information that might blow the holographic model completely out of the water. I fully intend to give it my complete and careful attention.

JB

We must all find answers on our own accord and within our own means of understanding.

Implicit meanings allow the observer to draw their own conclusions
based upon their own previous internal agreements.

With eyes wide open one can still not see the forest because the trees get in the way.

Never any ill wishes...

Yes, it would. You are talking about measurements of time. If mankind didn't exist, then there would be nobody to measure time, but time would exist. Just like a mile high mountain exists even if no humans exist. Time is a dimension in space.

What purpose would this non meaningful time serve then without anyone needing it? If it did exist, what would be then its purpose?

This is true. As long as the space-time environment exists, there will be events in time. The earth will still revolve around the sun. There may be dumb animals observing it, but we certainly would not be observing it. Some believe (as do I) that the planet itself is conscious and alive.

Would you count the planet itself as an intelligent life form?

What about non-human observers? Spirits? Do they count as intelligent life forms?

JB

if they have the sense to know what time is then anything and everything is what i mean. so if none of that exist what purpose does time serve? what purpose does "ANYTHING" serve in that case?