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With an innate need to quantify and to feel masterful over anything which is surrounding man, in his arrogance he created this Time thing....
Man's need to be superior to EVERYTHING...even having exclusive rights to god thingos......is where this Time thing came from... I feel it's elastic at the best of times.... I am in most posters' futures...apparently..it's 6.33am Monday here...yet I live on the same rock you do...so the time thing is a myth...it's a fallacy used to define that which doesn't require defining.... (Something else to defy...  ) |
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What is time? It is a measurement of bodies moving through space. That's a flawed definition. Time is a single dimension in our universe. If an object is stationary, it is still moving through time. Time fourth dimension: the fourth coordinate that is required (along with three spatial dimensions) to specify a physical event "TIME" my dear spider only exist if there is something that need's to perceive such. Without the need for something or someone to perceive what is called time, time does not exist. It is only a perceived "tool" nothing more. Time is a dimension that exists within space. Time exists as a function of space and has nothing to do with perception. I don't know what you were trying to get at with this post, but it didn't even brush up against a rational thought. hmmm?? - let me ask you this then, if mankind or other intelligent life forms did not exist anywhere within the unniverse would time then exist? |
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Infinity does not exist.
Existence does and it is always observed. Time gives a frame of reference for the observation in more ways than just movement through space. Without an observer there is no time, space, nor existence. |
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Infinity does not exist. Existence does and it is always observed. Time gives a frame of reference for the observation in more ways than just movement through space. Without an observer there is no time, space, nor existence. CS: Without an observer there is no time, space, nor existence. tribo: agreed! |
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate.
Outside of time and space...all just IS. |
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. Well then AG, what about Pygatheros's tri stimulus equations and delta quadrant of mis triangulation!! smarty pants -   
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. Well then AG, what about Pygatheros's tri stimulus equations and delta quadrant of mis triangulation!! smarty pants - I have no idea about tri stimulus equations and delta quadrant of mis triangulation Tribo... I am just thinking that to be called an "event" ... it has to be an occurrence that is localized at a particular place and time... How do we observe something outside of that? |
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. I disagree. I believe that conscious beings exist outside of this particular space time environment (matrix)and that there are many different space-time environments (worlds) within the universal mind. In the absence of a shared space-time environment (such as this one) a conscious being exists within its own unified field and creates its own unique space time. In fact, even we as individuals have our own unique unified field and space-time environment wherein we perceive time differently. DISCLAIMER: This is my present conclusion. Please refrain from asking for my scientific authority or source. JB |
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. Well then AG, what about Pygatheros's tri stimulus equations and delta quadrant of mis triangulation!! smarty pants - I have no idea about tri stimulus equations and delta quadrant of mis triangulation Tribo... I am just thinking that to be called an "event" ... it has to be an occurrence that is localized at a particular place and time... How do we observe something outside of that? There is only one place and time. It is HERE AND NOW. Outside of a space-time environment, everything exists simultaneously. Events exist only within a unified field around an observer. It may be shared with another observer or not. JB |
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Edited by
ArtGurl
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Sun 07/13/08 04:41 PM
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. I disagree. I believe that conscious beings exist outside of this particular space time environment (matrix)and that there are many different space-time environments (worlds) within the universal mind. In the absence of a shared space-time environment (such as this one) a conscious being exists within its own unified field and creates its own unique space time. In fact, even we as individuals have our own unique unified field and space-time environment wherein we perceive time differently. DISCLAIMER: This is my present conclusion. Please refrain from asking for my scientific authority or source. JB I think many of us are framing and reframing our thoughts about this based upon the information at hand. At present, I believe that consciousness exists outside of space and time ... and I believe that I am consciousness ... but I don't believe it is individualized as such ... consciousness is consciousness ... nothing separate ... when you are everything outside of time and space ... what is there to experience ... |
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. I disagree. I believe that conscious beings exist outside of this particular space time environment (matrix)and that there are many different space-time environments (worlds) within the universal mind. In the absence of a shared space-time environment (such as this one) a conscious being exists within its own unified field and creates its own unique space time. In fact, even we as individuals have our own unique unified field and space-time environment wherein we perceive time differently. DISCLAIMER: This is my present conclusion. Please refrain from asking for my scientific authority or source. JB gotta love her huh? |
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. I disagree. I believe that conscious beings exist outside of this particular space time environment (matrix)and that there are many different space-time environments (worlds) within the universal mind. In the absence of a shared space-time environment (such as this one) a conscious being exists within its own unified field and creates its own unique space time. In fact, even we as individuals have our own unique unified field and space-time environment wherein we perceive time differently. DISCLAIMER: This is my present conclusion. Please refrain from asking for my scientific authority or source. JB I think many of us are framing and reframing our thoughts about this based upon the information at hand. At present, I believe that consciousness exists outside of space and time ... and I believe that I am consciousness ... but I don't believe it is individualized as such ... consciousness is consciousness ... nothing separate ... when you are everything outside of time and space ... what is there to experience ... WOW!! your close to the truth glass hoppa |
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. Well then AG, what about Pygatheros's tri stimulus equations and delta quadrant of mis triangulation!! smarty pants - I have no idea about tri stimulus equations and delta quadrant of mis triangulation Tribo... I am just thinking that to be called an "event" ... it has to be an occurrence that is localized at a particular place and time... How do we observe something outside of that? neither do i - but i would have been interesting had you responded with an answer -
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. I disagree. I believe that conscious beings exist outside of this particular space time environment (matrix)and that there are many different space-time environments (worlds) within the universal mind. In the absence of a shared space-time environment (such as this one) a conscious being exists within its own unified field and creates its own unique space time. In fact, even we as individuals have our own unique unified field and space-time environment wherein we perceive time differently. DISCLAIMER: This is my present conclusion. Please refrain from asking for my scientific authority or source. JB I think many of us are framing and reframing our thoughts about this based upon the information at hand. At present, I believe that consciousness exists outside of space and time ... and I believe that I am consciousness ... but I don't believe it is individualized as such ... consciousness is consciousness ... nothing separate ... when you are everything outside of time and space ... what is there to experience ... If that were the case, (and I disparately pray that it is not,) then there is no point in developing individuality at all. When you die, you are quickly assimilated into a borg-like universal mind and all of your energy, experience and information is sucked up into the whole. Becoming one with all that is seems to be the nirvana of guru's but it is impractical and pointless. One does not go from a mere flawed human consciousness to god consciousness in on fell swoop when they die in my opinion. And this would not be a good thing. It would be a chaotic mass of information managed by no one. There would be no order, no delegation, no point in learning anything while in the physical incarnation, and no point in being good vs. evil, no point in learning to create or learning love or compassion. Individuality is not being manifested just so that you can melt back into the chaos of consciousness when you die. That is my conclusion. I don't want to be assimilated like the borg. LOL JB |
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. I disagree. I believe that conscious beings exist outside of this particular space time environment (matrix)and that there are many different space-time environments (worlds) within the universal mind. In the absence of a shared space-time environment (such as this one) a conscious being exists within its own unified field and creates its own unique space time. In fact, even we as individuals have our own unique unified field and space-time environment wherein we perceive time differently. DISCLAIMER: This is my present conclusion. Please refrain from asking for my scientific authority or source. JB I think many of us are framing and reframing our thoughts about this based upon the information at hand. At present, I believe that consciousness exists outside of space and time ... and I believe that I am consciousness ... but I don't believe it is individualized as such ... consciousness is consciousness ... nothing separate ... when you are everything outside of time and space ... what is there to experience ... WOW!! your close to the truth glass hoppa Not even close, sorry. JB |
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. I disagree. I believe that conscious beings exist outside of this particular space time environment (matrix)and that there are many different space-time environments (worlds) within the universal mind. In the absence of a shared space-time environment (such as this one) a conscious being exists within its own unified field and creates its own unique space time. In fact, even we as individuals have our own unique unified field and space-time environment wherein we perceive time differently. DISCLAIMER: This is my present conclusion. Please refrain from asking for my scientific authority or source. JB I think many of us are framing and reframing our thoughts about this based upon the information at hand. At present, I believe that consciousness exists outside of space and time ... and I believe that I am consciousness ... but I don't believe it is individualized as such ... consciousness is consciousness ... nothing separate ... when you are everything outside of time and space ... what is there to experience ... If that were the case, (and I disparately pray that it is not,) then there is no point in developing individuality at all. When you die, you are quickly assimilated into a borg-like universal mind and all of your energy, experience and information is sucked up into the whole. Becoming one with all that is seems to be the nirvana of guru's but it is impractical and pointless. One does not go from a mere flawed human consciousness to god consciousness in on fell swoop when they die in my opinion. And this would not be a good thing. It would be a chaotic mass of information managed by no one. There would be no order, no delegation, no point in learning anything while in the physical incarnation, and no point in being good vs. evil, no point in learning to create or learning love or compassion. Individuality is not being manifested just so that you can melt back into the chaos of consciousness when you die. That is my conclusion. I don't want to be assimilated like the borg. LOL JB Then you will choose separate ... nothing wrong with that ... |
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. Well then AG, what about Pygatheros's tri stimulus equations and delta quadrant of mis triangulation!! smarty pants - I have no idea about tri stimulus equations and delta quadrant of mis triangulation Tribo... I am just thinking that to be called an "event" ... it has to be an occurrence that is localized at a particular place and time... How do we observe something outside of that? neither do i - but i would have been interesting had you responded with an answer - |
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. I disagree. I believe that conscious beings exist outside of this particular space time environment (matrix)and that there are many different space-time environments (worlds) within the universal mind. In the absence of a shared space-time environment (such as this one) a conscious being exists within its own unified field and creates its own unique space time. In fact, even we as individuals have our own unique unified field and space-time environment wherein we perceive time differently. DISCLAIMER: This is my present conclusion. Please refrain from asking for my scientific authority or source. JB I think many of us are framing and reframing our thoughts about this based upon the information at hand. At present, I believe that consciousness exists outside of space and time ... and I believe that I am consciousness ... but I don't believe it is individualized as such ... consciousness is consciousness ... nothing separate ... when you are everything outside of time and space ... what is there to experience ... If that were the case, (and I disparately pray that it is not,) then there is no point in developing individuality at all. When you die, you are quickly assimilated into a borg-like universal mind and all of your energy, experience and information is sucked up into the whole. Becoming one with all that is seems to be the nirvana of guru's but it is impractical and pointless. One does not go from a mere flawed human consciousness to god consciousness in on fell swoop when they die in my opinion. And this would not be a good thing. It would be a chaotic mass of information managed by no one. There would be no order, no delegation, no point in learning anything while in the physical incarnation, and no point in being good vs. evil, no point in learning to create or learning love or compassion. Individuality is not being manifested just so that you can melt back into the chaos of consciousness when you die. That is my conclusion. I don't want to be assimilated like the borg. LOL JB Then you will choose separate ... nothing wrong with that ... You obviously do not understand at all.. Everything is connected and always will be connected. But individuality also survives and the work of creation is delegated. No I don't and could never choose or be separate. If you want to be a hive mentality that is your choice. I have specific work to do. JB |
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No use in contemplating notions with one who does not apperceive that which is being expressed.
The beauty of this world lies within our differences. It is only through differences that we gain. Like produces like, and the result is stagnation. 
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In my opinion, an event does not exist outside of time and space. It requires a way to measure it. Which then necessitates a notion of separate. Outside of time and space...all just IS. I disagree. I believe that conscious beings exist outside of this particular space time environment (matrix)and that there are many different space-time environments (worlds) within the universal mind. In the absence of a shared space-time environment (such as this one) a conscious being exists within its own unified field and creates its own unique space time. In fact, even we as individuals have our own unique unified field and space-time environment wherein we perceive time differently. DISCLAIMER: This is my present conclusion. Please refrain from asking for my scientific authority or source. JB I think many of us are framing and reframing our thoughts about this based upon the information at hand. At present, I believe that consciousness exists outside of space and time ... and I believe that I am consciousness ... but I don't believe it is individualized as such ... consciousness is consciousness ... nothing separate ... when you are everything outside of time and space ... what is there to experience ... If that were the case, (and I disparately pray that it is not,) then there is no point in developing individuality at all. When you die, you are quickly assimilated into a borg-like universal mind and all of your energy, experience and information is sucked up into the whole. Becoming one with all that is seems to be the nirvana of guru's but it is impractical and pointless. One does not go from a mere flawed human consciousness to god consciousness in on fell swoop when they die in my opinion. And this would not be a good thing. It would be a chaotic mass of information managed by no one. There would be no order, no delegation, no point in learning anything while in the physical incarnation, and no point in being good vs. evil, no point in learning to create or learning love or compassion. Individuality is not being manifested just so that you can melt back into the chaos of consciousness when you die. That is my conclusion. I don't want to be assimilated like the borg. LOL JB but your basing all your spoken truth's or belief's on thing's of which you dont know, your "opinions"? I know you feel there correct, but what if there not? What if the next dimensional plain is nothing like what you've deduced so far? What if it is something like a borg collective but you still have yourself? your individuality, but combined not totally seperate? then what? |
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