US authorities have said it will be at least a week before the freed airman is allowed to meet the press.

In the meantime they will no doubt want to establish how Mr Powers came to be shot down when U-2s were believed to be impregnable to anti-aircraft fire.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/10/newsid_2731000/2731827.stm

There goes the invincible aircraft theory!

His first name wasnt Austin by any chance?

Oooooo Baaaaaaabbbyyyyy

You can believe what you want. The cold war we were told was going to end before it ended.

Why? In nuclear warhead explodes it sends a EMP pulse that will destroy all transistor based silicon electrical equipment.

When the transistor was invented by bell Labs Russia decided not to trek on with the transistor as thier planes and such would be vulnerable if a war head was exploded in the air. Sending all planes missles whatever crashing to the ground.

Thier choice futher tube therory.

We on the other hand explorered the transistor with our scientist developing computers.

We found out this EMP would not penetrate lead. So we equiped our planes with inside lead shielding.

In the 80's we so far surpassed as at that time we could blow up thier missles before they launched. If you do not want to believe me don't.

just look at the Patriot missile tech. we had not seen in 91 or the grunman plane that let our tanks shoot with precise accrasy. All unknown tech. untill then and still kept pretty quite.

The military does not allow advanced technolgy come out untill they are done with it.

look at the stealth bomber. Probally the shortest lived plane we have ever had.

The F 111 which has always been put out a a piece of crap built in the 60's was a smoke screen.

it was in the 80's the fastest plane in the military.

If a pilot took it to max it would leave green and come back Black..

Sound familiar.

The stealth Technolgy it had before and still do not realize what it has. It is kept low kee. But is said to of been retired in 1996.

You never seen what i saw. for 10 years what i did could not be talked about. It was serious business. People laugh when i tell people part of our training in the AF was by NASA. you can believe what you want.


But here is an article that was released and if it was released it is in the military and has been for awhile.

think about what we could do. Then call me Crazy..





Israeli computer processor breakthrough PRINT FRIENDLY EMAIL STORY
PM - Friday, 7 November , 2003 18:50:00
Reporter: Mark Willacy
MARK COLVIN: If your computer's a little on the slow side, then things could be about to speed up. An Israeli technology company has developed a processor which can compute at the speed of light. In fact, it can perform eight trillion operations a second – that makes it 10,000 times faster than a standard processor.

The breakthrough has excited investors from around the world who are keen to use the technology for applications as diverse as radar, airport luggage screening, weather forecasting, digital broadcasting, and of course, weaponry.

Middle East Correspondent Mark Willacy reports.

MARK WILLACY: On a table inside the Lenslet factory in Herzliya sits a bulky, square box. It doesn't look like much, but this gadget has investors from the United States and Europe digging deep into their pockets.

Asaf Schlezinger is Lenslet's Project Manager.

ASAF SCHLEZINGER: Instead of using traditional technology, this processor actually uses light in order to do all the computation. We have here an array of 256 lasers and we perform all the computations in light speed.

MARK WILLACY: This is called optical processing and it's about 10,000 times faster than standard silicon processors found in home computers. Eventually, Lenslet wants to shrink its bulky, square box down to about the size of Palm Pilot, and eventually, it could be made even smaller.

Avner Halperin is the company's Vice President.

AVNER HALPERIN: And within a few years, it will be reduced down to a chip size, so, we basically see that with optical processing on a much smaller scale, we can have supercomputing as a practical reality.

MARK WILLACY: The Israeli company predicts the optical processor could be used inside the average home computer within a decade. But it could also be employed by more large-scale projects.

(Sound of planes flying)

Israel's Defence Ministry has already signed up to use the optical processor in military projects.

Lenslet Vice President, Avner Halperin, says the applications for the technology are limitless.

AVNER HALPERIN: Optical processing is a strategic competitive advantage for nations and companies. Optical processing enables new applications, new capabilities in homeland security, military, multimedia and communication applications.

With processing at the speed of light, you can have safer airports, autonomous military systems, high-definition multimedia broadcast systems and advanced next generation communication systems.

MARK WILLACY: Which means advances in anything from weather forecasting, luggage screening at airports and mobile phone coverage. While it promises processing at the speed of light, making the technology compact enough will take a little longer.

This is Mark Willacy in Jerusalem, for PM.
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2003/s984896.htm

How effective are the jamming devices? "Aviation Daily" reported on 22 September 1997 that, according to FAA spokesman Hank Price, "the type of device being marketed by Moscow-based Aviaconversia is 'nothing new,' and there are 'hundreds of these devices' on the market." A 17 November 2000 article in "Defense Daily" reported that U.S. defense contractor Lockheed Martin was sufficiently concerned, however, to develop a system to counter GPS jammers. The article went on to explain: "Russia's Aviaconversia currently markets a four-watt GPS jammer that only weighs about 19 pounds [8.6 kilograms] but can deny GPS reception for about 125 miles [201 kilometers]." Avoiding further specifics, "Defense Daily" merely noted that Lockheed Martin's G-STAR antijamming system ended its development phase and entered testing in 1999.

Few in Russia were inclined to cast doubts on the jammers' effectiveness. In fact, a 25 March article in "Nezavisimaya gazeta" argued that it was the jamming systems' efficacy that sparked protests from the stunned U.S.-British coalition. Citing anonymous "experts," the newspaper claimed that the Iraqis' use of jamming technology "came as a complete surprise to the attackers, who above all else feared chemical and biological weapons." The effects on the coalition's weaponry were even more surprising, as "instead of high-precision direct hits, in a number of cases 'smart' bombs and Tomahawk cruise missiles struck civilian targets far from where they had been aimed."

Mikhail Leontev, an anti-Western commentator on the state-run ORT television channel, assembled the story's parts into a tidy political package for viewers of the evening news on 26 March: "The U.S. State Department has accused two Russian firms of violating UN sanctions and providing Iraq with weapons, specifically, equipment to create radio interference for aviation and missiles. The Americans are making it clear that this equipment is to blame for the glaringly obvious inaccuracy of their so-called 'smart bombs' and guided-missile strikes against Baghdad."

http://www.cdi.org/russia/251-9.cfm

That was minimal old technology!
The US Army since has awarded a 190 million dollar contract to a Russian firm for their more modern version of this technology under the Bush Administration!

McDonnell Douglas Corp was fined $2.1 million for selling aerospace technology to the Chinese that wound up being used in manufacturing Chinese military fighters.
Another company, Cincinnati Lamb plans to sell $20 million worth of the HyperMach machines with one slated to go to Lockheed to drill holes in the wings and fuselage of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and another scheduled to be delivered to Xian Aircraft Co. in China - maker of the PLA Navy FB-7 supersonic strike fighter.

I wonder if they kept that to themselves or shared it with the Russians?

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/6/93304.shtml

Another Condaleeza Rice failure

just look at the Patriot missile tech. we had not seen in 91 or the grunman plane that let our tanks shoot with precise accrasy. All unknown tech. untill then and still kept pretty quite.

I was born in Florida. My dad worked at the Cape during the space race!
I graduated HS in Alamogordo N Mex.
My dad worked at White Sands missile Range, testing and designing the Patriot missile system, among others. The AF would drag drones behind aircraft, the Army would fire missiles at them, and the team of civilians working for GE, RCA, and others would program and make the corrections to the systems. My father was one of these men!
They tested a lot of captured Russian equipment from the Israeli-Egyptian war as well!
He was always commenting about how accurate and reliable the Russian weapons were and how much of it the US was copying for use in our weapons!
Later he worked on a team who designed, installed, and trained AF Personnel how to use and maintain a communication system that would survive EMP. He helped install it at SAC headquarters in Omaha!

I lived my whole life with him working on these type of projects! When they started using the Patriot in the first Gulf war he told me about its limitations and that against a more sophisticated missile it was practically useless! They have improved the patriot technology, but I'll guarantee you the Russians have kept up as well. Esp since the Cold War ended and many of the security precautions have too. (see articles above)

Whatever they are sharing with Russia you can bet it is outdated. Why would they.

We share with England and Israel mainly and have gone to far with Saudi.

Thier is another article i was reading about the largest laser in the world. They are planning by 2010 of shooting this laser somehow into something i am not real sure and this will create Plasma that will be an endless supply of energy.

Sounds pretty wild.. I know Israel was experimenting with generating power by an array of mirrors that would focus sunlight and shoot it down a tunnel to a boiler and beable to produse electrisity this was 7 or 8 years ago.


My favorite and i wonder where they are at with it was in Texas they were going to drill kinda like a heat pump 2 miles into the earth run a loop of pipe into magna and all the cost basically to make electricity would be making this work.. I can see how it would work as i worked for the Power company as a tech and worked on turbines sometimes..

Sounds pretty wild.. I know Israel was experimenting with generating power by an array of mirrors that would focus sunlight and shoot it down a tunnel to a boiler and beable to produse electrisity this was 7 or 8 years ago.


I saw this! They are building one in Calif now!

I also know they were working on bouncing a beam off a satellite and directing it anywhere they wanted for awhile. But, they quit when they discovered it made a hole in the Ozone that moved around the earth for awhile before closing!
That complex is in Wash State!

I dont care how secret they think it is the Russians know about it! Where do you think they got their Nuclear weapon tech from?

What your dad was telling you on the patriot missile if he was telling you the truth which i am suprised he talked about it at all. He could of went to prison if he had a high security clearance.

I was at Cannon AFB and at Melrose Bombing range the A10 warthog and the f-111 would have accrasy contest.

What was strange is the warthog was a bad mother blowing up busses with its front gun. The F-111 would hardly ever hit anything while we were thier.

But why when they did this would they cart generals of all ranks in to watch.

In the 91 war the f-111 fighters had an accracy rate way above any other plane. Thier jamming planes flew with the stealth bomber. Now the jamming part was my specialty.

we could make 1 plane look like a 100 or a plane look like it was overhead and be 50 miles away.

We processed the radar so fast that the computer would send back a signal of the correct magnitude and trip up the radar guidence system.

That is why you saw bagdad light up that 1st night because they thought hundreds of planes were over head when the f-111 2 of them one on each side would fly with each stealth bomber.. The stealth plane was 1st used in 91 i think but was in production flying in 78/79..

He was my dad. I never heard him talk technical stuff when I was young, but I always knew he had the highest security clearance available!
He almost lost it once when my brother was 15, and had to send him to live with a sister for awhile to keep it! Just over Juvenile delinquent shet! He was at Goddard at that time!

Later, after I joined the Army he would tell me some more technical stuff, but only in private and only if I asked. Nothing real technical though. Back then I wouldn't have understood what he was saying anyway!
The Radar, communication, and computer technology was his specialty! He's a smart man!

It sounds like he is.

But I do know that if they would of known at that time he was telling u it even existed he could of went to prison. Ask him about it.

We were debriefed when we got out having to sign a paper that we would not speak of what we even did for 10 years or be proscecuted...


He probally if he is out now had the same orders.

When i signed that piece of paper it said wife children parents or anyone we came in contact with..

I have written about this before a friend of mine dad was an Executive and was transfered to Hong Kong. He sent him a round trip plane ticket to come see him. When he got back several men arrested him took him someplace underground had pictures of him all over Hong kong. They sent 2 special agents to watch his every move. They let him go eventually but they wanted to know everything he said to anyone. They do not mess around with Govt. secrets

The simple fact of the matter is they have us out numbered and we have them out gunned. What no one seems to realize is that, when it commes to nuclear missiles, we have missile deffence systems that can detect a missile as it is launched and shoot it down at even super sonic speeds at "short" range. Our tech is much better than theirs but they have alot more of their tech. So begs the question which is better, alot of old tech or smaller ammounts of more effective tech.

No!!

If we have it most likely Russia does too!
They may not get it at the same time, but it doesn't take them long to get it!

They do skimp a little on their hardware like tanks, but unlike Iraq, they will stand in the face of massive casualties rather than surrender, adapting to changing tactics as they emerge!

They also have huge manufacturing facilities that can be geared quickly to manufacture military hardware as the war proceeds.
We are hardly able to take all of these out. Every plane we send up over their territory would be met by a sophisticated and high number of anti-air defenses and outnumbered by fighters familiar with our tactics and aircraft!

If somehow we could keep the war conventional, which would be the goal at first, we and our allies(forget going at them alone) would suffer extreme casualties! A full scale draft of the WWII magnitude would be necessary.
It would be us who would probably escalate the use of Nukes, and then there would be no winner. Esp the Europeans, but also the US mainland and the rest of the world.

There would be no 45 day victory over an insignificant and inept military with few casualties like the two Gulf wars. It would be massive with high casualties on both sides. It would be ugly and expensive. Those high tech weapons of ours are very expensive and wouldn't last long against Russia. Most of the high tech stuff would become useless as Russia began to knock out our GPS satellites. That's why I said it would be us who escalated the conflict to a nuclear one.

Most likely neither side would fire a shot. Russia would simply cut contact with Western Europe and the Cold War would return. Creating and extreme expenditure of money and large military commitment in Western Europe again, distrust, and anxiety!

We used to maintain an almost 400,000 man Army in Western Europe. That's not counting AF or Navy, that was just Army!
Everywhere you looked were Hawk missile batteries, fuel depots, and ammo bunker complexes.
Infantry and Armor units spent over 200 days a year in the field, going out for 90 days at a time, and having alerts at least once a month!
Armies had very few bases, like Bragg or Carson, or Hood, etc in Germany. They just used their towns, fields, yards, and Cities instead. Armor vehicles would clog their autobahns and other roads and soldiers would run through the Germans back yards and fields firing weapons at all hours of the day and night! It wasn't rare for them to seal off areas of their towns for hours at a time.
Not just American military, but every country you can think of. French, British, Canadian, Bulgarian, German, etc., etc., etc.

My Dad was my Dad Miles! He could have talked technical all day and I would not have understood. He was a civilian at the times he did that work, not military. The team he worked on designed and perfected the technology. Then trained the Military how to use and maintain it. His expertise was far beyond what any AF personnel could understand!
We never had any CIA spying on us that I knew of and at times my Dad would bring home Computer printouts 4 inches thick. Nothing but binary code. He would sit for hours upon hours studying and correcting them. When he wasn't they were locked up in a brief case first and then a safe he had at home. As a teenager I wasn't interested in binary code or what exactly they were. Later when I asked he said he was correcting target trajectory and acquisition data! Does me saying that give away State secrets? Hardly, and I couldn't tell you much more than that if you tortured me.

I cant even remember the name of the team exactly. It was an acronym. Something like ADDATS or maybe ADADATS! Like I said I cant really remember exactly, but they did have an emblem on their vehicles and even on his briefcase!
Maybe you have heard of the team. They were all civilians who worked for RCA and GE! Even when he worked at the Cape in FLA and Goddard he worked for RCA at first and later GE bought the division out.

Good general context for a debate people!

However, there is one thing profoundly wrong with this thread: ITS VERY PREMISE, AS POINTED OUT IN THE ERRONEOUS AND MISLEADING TITLE!!!

'RUSSIA THREATENS'.

PLEASE! GIVE THE US PARTY PROPAGANDA A BREAK HERE!!!

Here is a suggestion to correct this oversight, ...I'm sure!

'... US playing uninvited and unwelcomed 'WARGOD' in Russia's backyard, finds Russian authorities OBJECTING and REACTING in decisive and unwavering terms.'

I don't think the host would have chosen the same title, had the tables been turned and RUSSIA was meddling in the US backyard with a strategic missile base (defensive or offensive is absolutely irrelevant).

IMO, if the tables had been turned, I suggest the title would most likely have read something like this:

'... The United States of America, which stands for all things that are just and good, for all its peope that are jut and good, legitimately and righteously retaliates, in good measure, to RUSSIA's HOSTILE, GROSS and DEVIOUS INTIMIDATION OF 'US' SACRED AND GOD GRANTED SOVEREIGNTY!'

Before debating the 'pros' and 'cons' of a debating question, a debater must first question and put in the right perspective, the always subjective nature of the PREMISE, OR INVITATION TO DEBATE!

RUSSIA IS NOT THREATENING!!!

IT IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THAT ARE MEDDLING AND INTIMIDATING OTHER SOVEREIGNTIES IN THEIR BACKYARDS, UNDER THE UTTERLY FALSE PRETENSE THAT IT IS FOR THEIR GOOD!

Good general context for a debate people!

However, there is one thing profoundly wrong with this thread: ITS VERY PREMISE, AS POINTED OUT IN THE ERRONEOUS AND MISLEADING TITLE!!!

'RUSSIA THREATENS'.

PLEASE! GIVE THE US PARTY PROPAGANDA A BREAK HERE!!!

Here is a suggestion to correct this oversight, ...I'm sure!

'... US playing uninvited and unwelcomed 'WARGOD' in Russia's backyard, finds Russian authorities OBJECTING and REACTING in decisive and unwavering terms.'

I don't think the host would have chosen the same title, had the tables been turned and RUSSIA was meddling in the US backyard with a strategic missile base (defensive or offensive is absolutely irrelevant).

IMO, if the tables had been turned, I suggest the title would most likely have read something like this:

'... The United States of America, which stands for all things that are just and good, for all its peope that are jut and good, legitimately and righteously retaliates, in good measure, to RUSSIA's HOSTILE, GROSS and DEVIOUS INTIMIDATION OF 'US' SACRED AND GOD GRANTED SOVEREIGNTY!'

Before debating the 'pros' and 'cons' of a debating question, a debater must first question and put in the right perspective, the always subjective nature of the PREMISE, OR INVITATION TO DEBATE!

RUSSIA IS NOT THREATENING!!!

IT IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THAT ARE MEDDLING AND INTIMIDATING OTHER SOVEREIGNTIES IN THEIR BACKYARDS, UNDER THE UTTERLY FALSE PRETENSE THAT IT IS FOR THEIR GOOD!

Sorry about the double post!!!

Haven't been around for a while, and it would seem like I have lost my 'edit', 'quote' and 'reply' mastery!