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First of all the tank in that video is a t-80. Let me leaborate my fealings with an emoticon or two laugh laugh laugh The marits of these two tanks have already been compared by analists and the abrams won hands down, and please tell me when the last time a abrams was lost to enamy tank fire, I will answer my own question. NEVER, although we have lost a few to anti tank mines. Our abrams have been shot with pretty much every tank killing munition there is and it still survives. The chopper yea I forgot about the havoc. But as you said it is nothing more than the russian equivelint to the apache. This would come down to pioleting. The plane is interesting but from the info that I have found except the ability to fall tail first without stalling the f-35 still has this plane beat. The russian machine gun on your link was nothing more than the russian equivelent to the gau-8. In shear amout of fire power the american m134 is far superior. In terms of penetration, thats what we have the gau-8 for. Spoo!!! Wrong tank and link. Newer model is T-90S. http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t90/ ARMAMENT The T-90S armament includes one 125mm 2A46M smoothbore gun, stabilised in two axes and fitted with a thermal sleeve. The gun tube can be replaced without dismantling inside the turret. The gun can fire a variety of ammunition including APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank), HE-FRAG (High Explosive Fragmentation) as well as shrapnel projectiles with time fuzes. The T-90S gun can also fire the 9M119 Refleks (NATO designation AT-11 Sniper) anti-tank guided missile system. The range of the missile is 100m to 4,000m and takes 11.7 sec to reach maximum range. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 5km. The missile system fires either the 9M119 or 9M119M missiles which have semi-automatic laser beamriding guidance and a hollow charge warhead. Missile weight is 23.4kg. The guns automatic loader will feed both ordnance and missiles. Also fitted is a coaxial 7.62mm PKT machine gun and a 12.7mm air defence machine gun. A 5.45mm AKS-74 assault rifle is carried on a storage rack. SELF-PROTECTION The T-90 tank is protected by both conventional armour-plating and explosive reactive armour (ERA). The T-90 is fitted with the Shtora-1 defensive aids suite which is produced by Electronintorg of Russia. This system includes infrared jammer, laser warning system with four laser warning receivers, grenade discharging system which produces an aerosol screen and a computerised control system. It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment. |
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So what? The tanks of the German Army during WWII were far more sophisticated than the Sherman hunk of Junk the Allies used. Their fighters were way ahead of ours at first, as were their bombers, and about everything else they had! Their problem was sustainability and numbers. We had more because ours were cheaper, we were able to sustain our numerical superiority because of that and could sacrifice 4 Shermans for every one Tiger, among other reasons! The Soviet Union does have a very good Tank, Ive been in them (not the new T-80 but the T-72) as Im sure the Canadian Army Troops like Karma have. It may not be as sophisticated as the Abrams but it is a hell of a lot cheaper and they can field 12 for every one Abrahms that we have! Their fighters are very good, and once again can out number ours. They are not Iraq and as I have feared Americans have grown to be cocky and sure from our successes in Iraq. They now think we are invincible. A few months of conventional war with the well trained and well armed Russian Military would force us to use Nukes, Biological, and Chemical Weapons. Probably in the reverse order though. Building up to a result that no one in the world wishes to see and no one can win! You seem to take me for a ill informed fool. Believe me I dont just regurgitate facts I sit down and do the head work and compare the weapons myself. I weigh the merrits and drawbacks and then draw a conclusion. Yes the germans did have better tanks and what happened Their tanks ripped right through ours. There is one difference though you had to be fairly close to the enemy tank to hit them with a sherman or tiger, compared to the abrams, where as the abrams can hit an enemy tank before they even know we are there. The t-80 has excelent range also but the simple fact that we can spot them first is what will give you the kill shot. Finaly I am aware that russia is not the poorly trained rabble we ripped through in iraq. Russia would be a very tough adversary. I have stated this at least once before. There is a reason that the US has opted for quality over quantity. I wasnt thinking that way, but the more you post I am. You read! Ive trained to fight them (Infantry, 3rd ID, VII Corps). I was in Europe, stationed for 28 months 80 km from the border. Many times, for weeks at a time, I have studied the Soviets through Binoculars while hiding behind a wall or a bush, writing down notes. What they wore, what time they changed guards, when they ate, what they ate, how many times they **** or pissed, what weapons they carried, how many I saw, drawing sketches of insignia they wore, etc. etc, etc. Hours upon hours upon hours. I spent years studying and testing, being able to recognize every vehicle, airplane, and tank, they possess. Learning their tactics and practicing to be as proficient and deadly with their weapons as mine. Did your books and web sites let you experience that? Did your books and web-sites let you experience the Cold War from a soldier's point of view who participated in it's experiences! I doubt it! I am finished argueing with you. You are still trying to make me out to be some idiot that thinks russia would be an easy fight. In all of my posts on this thread NEVER DID I SAY THIS. In fact I have openly stated the oposite. So think of me what you will, that still does not change the facts. I simply tried to give insight based on real life expertise. The rest of your insecurities are self induced. Thanks for letting me know you were arguing. I had not noticed. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sun 07/13/08 08:03 AM
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First of all the tank in that video is a t-80. Let me leaborate my fealings with an emoticon or two laugh laugh laugh The marits of these two tanks have already been compared by analists and the abrams won hands down, and please tell me when the last time a abrams was lost to enamy tank fire, I will answer my own question. NEVER, although we have lost a few to anti tank mines. Our abrams have been shot with pretty much every tank killing munition there is and it still survives. The chopper yea I forgot about the havoc. But as you said it is nothing more than the russian equivelint to the apache. This would come down to pioleting. The plane is interesting but from the info that I have found except the ability to fall tail first without stalling the f-35 still has this plane beat. The russian machine gun on your link was nothing more than the russian equivelent to the gau-8. In shear amout of fire power the american m134 is far superior. In terms of penetration, thats what we have the gau-8 for. Spoo!!! Wrong tank and link. Newer model is T-90S. http://www.army-technology.com/projects/t90/ ARMAMENT The T-90S armament includes one 125mm 2A46M smoothbore gun, stabilised in two axes and fitted with a thermal sleeve. The gun tube can be replaced without dismantling inside the turret. The gun can fire a variety of ammunition including APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank), HE-FRAG (High Explosive Fragmentation) as well as shrapnel projectiles with time fuzes. The T-90S gun can also fire the 9M119 Refleks (NATO designation AT-11 Sniper) anti-tank guided missile system. The range of the missile is 100m to 4,000m and takes 11.7 sec to reach maximum range. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 5km. The missile system fires either the 9M119 or 9M119M missiles which have semi-automatic laser beamriding guidance and a hollow charge warhead. Missile weight is 23.4kg. The guns automatic loader will feed both ordnance and missiles. Also fitted is a coaxial 7.62mm PKT machine gun and a 12.7mm air defence machine gun. A 5.45mm AKS-74 assault rifle is carried on a storage rack. SELF-PROTECTION The T-90 tank is protected by both conventional armour-plating and explosive reactive armour (ERA). The T-90 is fitted with the Shtora-1 defensive aids suite which is produced by Electronintorg of Russia. This system includes infrared jammer, laser warning system with four laser warning receivers, grenade discharging system which produces an aerosol screen and a computerised control system. It is also fitted with NBC (nuclear, biological and chemical) protection equipment. ERA=M1A1 secret Technology! I remember when the Abrahms was very first deployed to Germany. We would guard that thing like a hawk to ensure no one was able to get within 10 m of it! So much for secrets aye? T-90, Nice Tank! |
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We need the economic partnership for our own economy to survive. They fall, we fall. That's what happened when everyone wanted to be interconnected. Sounds good, but in practice it is not exactly what you are expecting. Everyone should keep in his mind what a) Russians used to think Americans forced the economical crisis in Russia in 90's and USA bombed Serbia without any reason. So they will hate USA and will not believe any attempts "to cooperate". Bush (previous) and Clinton made Russia the enemy of USA. It is fact. b) Eastern Europe is a land of betrayers. They betrayed Soviet Union - they will betray USA. As they did ages before. c) Every time when somebody is thinking about Russia he should keep in his mind Israel. Russia is under big influence (i'd say it is under rule - but it can be argued) of Jewish. |
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as a ukraine immagrite. i have lived here for 43 years. but will always consider myself russian,i get news from my family in ukraine and russia. russia is not going to allow missles in chek repubic. even if it bring them to war, Hi, guy! I'm from Russia less than a year. Time changed. The current Russian government will allow everything. Just pay for it. In very last years the price become rather high, but you can still get all what you want from all that thieves just putting one of them in jails, getting rid any of their children off from American or English college. All this buzz is for internal politic. Russians politics want to look as being "patriots". But i do not understand what all those rockets are for. To defend Israel? Why should i pay taxes for that people which are not able to live with their neighbors in peace? |
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So, the fact that Russia has flown long-range bombers over Norway and other countries in Europe is nothing? It is less than nothing. That old flying crap was taken up just before last election to show off Russians themselves. |
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They are responding to a threat initiated by Bush, and since NATO 's main supporter and Russia's Cold War adversary was NATO and the US, they are saying hey, remember us? You are naive :) Putin said "hey, Russians, see - i'm great!". |
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As far as the statement of if we have it so do they. Ok you show me their abrams tanks, cobra and apache gunships, f-35/f-22 fighters, not to mention all the crew served weapons that the plants are in the US and their for they couldnt have large amounts of these weapons, ie the m134 minigun, and various other weapons. Boy, don't go wrong way of Hitler. He said the same. Actually Russians was not able to show T-34 in 1941. But you remember 1945, don't you? Russia is Asia. Don't try to treat it as Canada. |
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This is as new news as you can possibly get, so we do not know the exact details yet. Russia says a ratifying of a US-Czech Missle Pact will force a "military" response. Suggestions are they might just point missiles, including nuclear missiles at the Czechs and Poland.  Another Condaleeza Rice failure Really indeed. She is pretty nice,probably clever woman, but as politic... at least according to Eastern Europe and Russia she sucks. Alas. I like her. |
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T-90, Nice Tank! both of them :) |
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Dude,
Are you lost? |
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Dude, Are you lost? No.I'm just working and enjoying this incredible weather :) I had no such nice summer since i was born. So it is a little bit bore to spent time in internet. :) |
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I had no such nice summer since i was born.
??? Every one? Or were you just born this spring? I think your English is impeding your ability to comprehend posts and convey your message! |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sun 07/13/08 10:37 AM
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Being Born is when you squeeze through the birth canal, cough spitting up embryonic fluid, and take your first breath!
I am thinking that you have seen many summers since that time. Is it possible that everyone of them have been nice? If so, I moving to Russia next week! |
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my comrade chill.
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my comrade chill. OK!! 
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I had no such nice summer since i was born. ??? Every one? Or were you just born this spring? The summer in Russia is quite cold. I never had more than few days above 80 degrees in all my life. I think your English is impeding your ability to comprehend posts and convey your message! Oh. It is my big problem. Really.So i'm leaving this nice place for sake of reading O'Henry and listening WTKK. |
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I am thinking that you have seen many summers since that time. But none of them were so hot. Ok-ok... I'm going to switch read-only mode once again :) |
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my comrade chill. OK!! Glenn, it is hard to tell if you are misunderstanding Sergey or bullying him. 
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my comrade chill. OK!! Glenn, it is hard to tell if you are misunderstanding Sergey or bullying him. Me???? Nooooooo.....
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