http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/07/johnmccain.uselections2008


John McCain, flip-flopper McCain used to oppose the Bush tax cuts, and his embrace of them now is blatant pandering to conservatives

It's economy week, as both candidates will travel around touting their economic plans. Barack Obama starts in North Carolina, and John McCain in Colorado.

We've been talking a lot about flip-flops in the past week, some of them real, most of them imaginary. But I've been astonished at how few people have mentioned the obvious mother of all flip-flops in this campaign so far – John McCain's embrace of the Bush administration tax cuts.

In 2001, McCain was one of just two Republican senators to vote against the tax cuts. "I think it still devotes too much of it to the wealthiest Americans," he said at the time. And now? Well of course big tax cuts are the anchor of his economic plan. But what tells us more about the man is where and how he indicated the change.

It was last December at a sit-down with the Wall Street Journal editorial board when McCain first made unequivocally clear that as president, he would fight to make Bush's tax cuts permanent (some are set to expire in 2010). Boy, now that's courage. Remember the story of the French politician Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin, who saw a crowd marching through Paris and reportedly said: "There go my people, I must find out where they are going so I can lead them"? Thus, McCain to Paul Gigot: Tell me where to go, master, and I will lead you there!

This week, McCain will travel the country explaining why these tax cuts – which so disproportionately are doing exactly what the 2001 McCain said they would, benefiting the very wealthiest Americans to the tune of nearly a half-trillion dollars - have to be made permanent. This is not a nip or a tuck or a refinement. This is a blatant and complete reneging on past principle.

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Yep,
I just changed my mind!
I going to vote for Bush again! ,,,,uh McConfused???
His economics are wonderful and his strong leadership abilities are astounding!!!

Fanta, you forgot to state that John McCain is going to balance the budget in 4 years! And cut taxes! And stop global warming!

I am going outside to fly my flag upside down

LMAO,
That's a good one!!!

143 days on the job and Obama decided to quit for an upgrade.

Good idea to get out of a Congress that has an 9 percent approval rating. Only 17% approval with Democrats who have the majority in Congress. -http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_performance/congressional_performance

wana know why we are pissed at congross? because that traitor Pellosi has gone along with that criminal bush and helped enable this stinking nightmare

Gotta love it, don't ya? And, then they also decided to defeat the highest pork record ever this year as well. Talk about a grand accomplishment.

Truly if the government wished a high approval rateing all they would have to do is put Bush and his controllers on trial for treasone and war crimes. You would hear a round of cheers from the atlantic to the pacific and then accross Europ and Asia, markets would rebound, gas prices would drop and people would be spending money on party hats and HD TV to view the trials and sentencing

Far-fetched mistruth. Seriously, such a thing would cause turmoil and uncertainties that would send the markets into a huge downslide. Markets would tumble. Your assumption has no precedence with history. The trial of one of the President of one of the biggest trade partners throughout the world, threaten trade deals and so forth, would cause great uncertainties. Uncertainty always sends the markets in a downward spiral.

It didnt when Lewinski got caught sucking a Billy-pop and he was threatened with impeachment.

Bush IS a war criminal and a very stupid one at that

Wrong, I was really hoping someone was going to state that. Here is just one of many articles on the issue, big worries, and real hits taken.

"THE CHIEF economist of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development yesterday warned that the US impeachment crisis could hit world growth, as financial markets shrugged off the raids on Iraq and focused on the position of President Bill Clinton.

Ignazio Visco at the OECD said: "The US political crisis could have a serious effect on world growth because stock markets could react."

Mr Visco said stock markets in US, Canada, Italy and Germany were all overvalued. He argued that a market fall of 20 per cent - which could be triggered by President Clinton's impeachment - would wipe 1 per cent from US growth. Concern about President Clinton's political future weighed heavily on the dollar, which had fallen another 1.3 yen to 115.08 yen by lunchtime in New York, but later rebounded to post modest gains, closing at 116.10 yen. The Clinton crisis also hit US government bonds, with the yield on 30- year Treasury bonds up 2 basis points at 5.03 per cent during afternoon Wall Street trade." - http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19981219/ai_n14187821

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I suggest reading the full article as well.


Here is a BBC article about it as well: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/the_economy/239260.stm

News flash the markets have tumbled and every trade deal that has been made is a disaster for americans

Desperation and lies!

Bush said: “The people’s trust in their Government is undermined by congressional earmarks — special interest projects that are often snuck in at the last minute, without discussion or debate.”

FACT — BUSH HAS ENGAGED IN HIS OWN EARMARKING: In 2007, Bush stuffed approximately 580 earmarks worth $15.6 billion into his appropriation request for military construction and veterans affairs. Bush’s earmarks included $24 million for the Laura Bush 21st Century Librarian Program and “$8.9 million for the Points of Light foundation, a pet project started by his father, former President George H.W. Bush.” [Washington Examiner, 11/15/07]

FACT — BUSH HAS REPEATEDLY SIGNED PORK-LADEN BILLS INTO LAW: According to the Congressional Research Service, there were 997 earmarks in the Fiscal 2000 defense appropriation bill. By the Fiscal 2005 law that Bush signed into law, there were 2506 earmarks, “more than two and half times the number contained the Fiscal 2000 bill.” In the bill funding the departments of Labor, Health and Human Services and Education, the number of earmarks grew from 291 in 2000 to 3,014 in 2005. [Lilly, 1/28/08]

FACT — EARMARKS EXPLODED UNDER THE GOP-CONTROLLED CONGRESS: When Republicans took over Congress in 1994, there were 4,000 earmarks on appropriations bills. At the end of the 109th Congress in 2005, there were 15,000. [Washington Post, 1/25/06; The Gavel, 1/28/08]

FACT — CURRENT 110TH CONGRESS HAS CUT EARMARKS IN HALF: “As promised when they took control of Congress,” in 2007, “House Democratic leaders cut in half from last year the value of earmarks in the bill, as they did in the other 11 agency spending measures.” [New York Times, 11/4/07]
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/28/sotu-federal-earmarks-have-exploded-under-bush-and-gop-led-congress/



Remember this sailor?

Now,
Stick to the topic!!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/07/johnmccain.uselections2008


John McCain, flip-flopper McCain used to oppose the Bush tax cuts, and his embrace of them now is blatant pandering to conservatives

It's economy week, as both candidates will travel around touting their economic plans. Barack Obama starts in North Carolina, and John McCain in Colorado.

We've been talking a lot about flip-flops in the past week, some of them real, most of them imaginary. But I've been astonished at how few people have mentioned the obvious mother of all flip-flops in this campaign so far – John McCain's embrace of the Bush administration tax cuts.

In 2001, McCain was one of just two Republican senators to vote against the tax cuts. "I think it still devotes too much of it to the wealthiest Americans," he said at the time. And now? Well of course big tax cuts are the anchor of his economic plan. But what tells us more about the man is where and how he indicated the change.

It was last December at a sit-down with the Wall Street Journal editorial board when McCain first made unequivocally clear that as president, he would fight to make Bush's tax cuts permanent (some are set to expire in 2010). Boy, now that's courage. Remember the story of the French politician Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin, who saw a crowd marching through Paris and reportedly said: "There go my people, I must find out where they are going so I can lead them"? Thus, McCain to Paul Gigot: Tell me where to go, master, and I will lead you there!

This week, McCain will travel the country explaining why these tax cuts – which so disproportionately are doing exactly what the 2001 McCain said they would, benefiting the very wealthiest Americans to the tune of nearly a half-trillion dollars - have to be made permanent. This is not a nip or a tuck or a refinement. This is a blatant and complete reneging on past principle.

Fanta..... Your post starts off with "John McCain flip-flopper."

Let's talk about the King of the Flip-floppers, your darling Obama. Incidentally, this is a duplicate of something I posted on another thread where I spoke about Obama and his flip-flopping.

Barack Obama is a flip-flopper. He is moving to alter his true image, which is the one that has been forged since he first ran for the State Senate in Illinois. Obama is distancing himself from that cast of unquestionably un-American characters he has surrounded himself with since first running for public office.

First. Barack has jettisoned himself from his true thinking by cutting himself off from the Rev. Wright and all the other ministers from Trinity who share his racist beliefs.

Second. Obama has distanced himself from Renzko who gave him that sweetheart deal on his property before Renzko went to jail.

Third. Note we no longer hear about Obama and his wife's association with the Underground Weathermen terrorist group.

Fourth. After Samantha Power called Hillary a "monster" and suggested Barack's Iraq timetable was not set in concrete, he got rid of her. Then he canned Robert Malley for having talked to Hamas, even though Obama was aware of that connection when Malley was brought into Obama's "think tank."

Fifth. Let us take another look at how Obama threw his white grandmother under the bus. How can any of us forget how Barack spoke of how he cringed at the racist reaction of his white grandmother after she was accosted by a black man at a bus stop. My, my! Note how the "good grandson" has rescued Grandmom, because now she is in Obama's ads, not as a racist, but as the loving woman who instilled old fashioned American values into little Barack. What a guy that Obama is! He will use anyone to get him into the White House, including a precious Grandmom!

Sixth. Remember in Ohio, Barack was an opponent of NAFTA? He is now a free-trader.

Seventh. When Barack realized the flack he was causing by having removed his flag pin after 9/11, calling it a "substitute for real patriotism," Obama put the flag pin back on his lapel.

Eighth. Never mind. This could go on into infinity what with all the flip- flopping and distancing from this one and that one, which Obama does to get himself elected. However, I have to give credit where it is due. This guy is really good. Now that Barack has the Democratic nomination, he is moving to convince the nation he is neither racist nor radical and will even go toward the right, if it will win the presidency for him. However, I have a question. After all the flip- flopping and lies from Barack, who and what is this guy? I don't expect an answer since even Obama himself doesn't know what he is or what he stands for .... except he is the best darn flip-flopper the Democratics have.

madman.... There is a person on this site who copies/pastes anything that is deplorable, hateful and denegrates America. This same male person hates the military and has no sympathy for the men and women who have died fighting/defending our country. This same person is always talking about putting Bush on trial for treason. The reality is that the male person who is doing all of these things would be put on trial for treason, if he lived in any other country, but ours.

I would say this person is damn lucky to be living in America and if he hates it so much, the ingrate should go to Mexico or some other third world country and spew his hate-filled messages. So, tell me madman .... what do you think of this anti-American guy I am writing about?

you make some rather broad and personal assumptions about me, for one I was in the military and I do know the plight of the military and your wrong on other things as well, any western democracy would tolerate my views and much more. Sure the country to our south has a great deal of troubles so why dont we invade them and install a democracy? is that not the mission of our country but thats not how the game is played in south america, we support every right wing dictator we can find and teach them how to crush any discent. sorry I live in the real world and not some propogated un reality.

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I never mentioned your name. I suppose this is a case "If the shoe fits, wear it," and you have acknowledged the shoe fits.

madman...... Does this mean that you are going to try Pellosi for treason and war crimes?

If Pellosi is convicted are you going to hang her?

Starsailor ...... Madman is always getting ready to put Bush on trial for something or other. It is my understanding when Madman was in Washington, Bush was walking across the street and Bush threw a candy wrapper on the sidewalk. At that point Madman started ranting and raving that since he can't put Bush on trial for war crimes and treason, then he wants to put him on trial for littering.

However, you have got to give Madman credit. He never gives up; he is always ready to put Bush on trial.