well not all religions except you to give 10 percent of your income

Some expect more

Some expect more

The Christian Bible endorses slavery, female subjugation to males, and violence against female pagans and homosexuals ...

i didn't mread much of your thing spider, but if no one knows spider and i have definitly had our differences in these forums haha but spider is a great person and is very dedicated to his beliefs which is very admirable, yet i must still argue spider..

lol i seen " christains don't go to war over religion"

what about in Ireland Catholics vs. Protestants.

It's not a lie that the Christian doctrine teaches to kill non-believes, and in fact destroy the entire cities from whence they came.

It's in the Christian Doctrine. (i.e. The Holy Bible)

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/religious_tolerance/dt13_13-15.html

We can only be thankful that Christians don't truly practice their religion.

But it's certainly not a lie to state that the Bible teaches this.

If the Bible is the word of God then you're supposed to be killing non-Christians.

Although, maybe I shouldn't be telling you that.

I mean, if you aren't truly practicing your religion this is a good thing. Keep up the great non-practicing.

I'm going to report this post, there is no reason that anyone should have to see their religion lied about.

HO-HUM....I'll just continue being a good person... let God sort everyone out in their second life.......

1) The Bible never endorses slavery. The Old Testament includes a law that requires anyone who kidnaps another person to enslave that person to be put to death. Slavery was only allowed when it was by choice (to pay off a debt for instance) and regardless, the slave was free to go after 6 years of service. Laws specifically protected the slaves from harm.

2) To understand the treatment of women in the Old Testament, you have to understand the place they lived and their way of life. Women were treated as property to some degree, but they had rights. Life in the desert was hard, few women could survive on their own. Animal attacks by lions, bears and other predators were common, so anyone who worked outside had to be able to fight. A woman simply couldn't make it on her own unless she was a beggar or a prostitute. The Israelites were very self sufficient, it's not like they needed waitresses, teachers or seamstresses. Women were treated unfairly by todays standards, but they were treated in the only way that made sense at that time and place.

3) Israel had laws that called for the death penalty for witches and homosexuals. Female pagans were perfectly safe as Israelites were forbidden by law to mistreat people of other religions. So as long as the female pagan (or male for that matter) weren't trying to practice magic, they were in no danger from the Israelites.

But!!!! None of that matters. Those laws applied to ISRAEL the nation. Christianity isn't a nation, it's a religion that exists in all nations. For that reason, Christians are commanded to follow the local laws. Christians don't put homosexuals to death, Muslims do. Christians don't put witches to death, Muslims do. Christians don't persecute people of other religions, Muslims do. Christians have done all of those things, but the difference is that when a Christian puts a witch or homosexual to death or spreads their religion by the sword, that person is going directly against Old and New testament laws.

Sorry but Christian lies are being told here. Witches, homosexuals, pagans, muslims, hieratics(which covers anyone who is not christian) have all been put to death at the hand of Christians.

Christians have done all of those things, but the difference is that when a Christian puts a witch or homosexual to death or spreads their religion by the sword, that person is going directly against Old and New testament laws.

In theory Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same God. The ancient god of monotheism. Theres just a few ignorant people that claim otherwise. It says it right here in my college World Religions textbook. Im looking right at it.

The Qur'an contains detailed instructions and examples of how to meet unbelievers.

The first instruction is that they should be called to Islam; in fact, the Qur'an says you cannot wage war against unbelievers until you have preached to them.

The second instruction is that if they do not convert to Islam, then, they must be fought.

The third instruction is that if they surrender, or convert, then you must stop waging war.

The final instruction is that if they do not convert or surrender, then they must be killed.

This is the optimum route for Islamist expansion: A tidal wave of war, subjugation and conversion.

Very similar to Christianity.

There is another provision in the Qur'an though, because sometimes Muslims aren't in a position to wage war. On this occasion, the examples and teachings of the Qur'an are that Muslims may make deals with their enemies, with unbelievers, engage in truces and the like in order to recuperate and gain strength.

The overriding concern is the fight against unbelievers; if this can't be achieved then it is ok to strategically lay low. To achieve more sneaky victories.

Many more verses continue the theme: Unbelievers are the utmost evil, and to fight them you can therefore use any means. In fact, Muslims have to use any means they can to convert or subjugate nonbelievers.

Now, many Muslims in Western countries don't seem to be doing this! Thank goodness!

Not all Muslims, however, know the Quran very well. Many do not read it; many cannot read it (many Muslims are not Arabs)

Many Muslims live in the West peacefully, legally and morally. They do not heed the Qur'anic verses urging them to prepare for war against unbelievers (Qur'an 8:60), nor the verses telling them to increase their strength so that they can convert or subjugate those around them.

Most Muslims merely want, like everyone else, to live their lives in peace, with their friends, to raise families and win stable employment.

Just like most Christians

The Christian Bible endorses slavery, female subjugation to males, and violence against female pagans and homosexuals ...

So it is no different to the Qu'ran in its extremism

Many Muslims in Muslim countries such as Afghanistan, African Islamic countries such as Algeria, Western Muslim communities and the like, do not speak Arabic and definitely cannot read or write the classical Arabic that the Qur'an is written in.

A Pakistani Muslim once proudly told me that he had memorized large sections of the Qur'an, and planned to buy a translation one day so that he could find out exactly what it was saying.

Such instances are common to a degree that may surprise most non-Muslims.

So, if there are so many similarities between Islam and christianity, why do we deny their rights to peacefully co-exist?

I do not see the same similarities you do.
No offence intended.

Do you think they do not deny non-believers the right to peacefully exist, that is without believing the same as they do?

So, I dont believe that there are lies Spider, apart from the ones you wish to spread about the purity of christianity.

In posting this, it was not an attack on Christianity, but as usual your really thin skin was punctured.

It was for those that are interested in religion and how christianity and islam are the same religion with different ideas.

If your faith was that strong and you believe I could influence anyone with the truth about christianity, then maybe you shoudl take up origami as a hobby.

Much better than reading a stuffy old fairytale, that has more holes in it than a swiss cheese

In theory, no religion is more pure than Christianity. If you look at what the Bible teaches and how Christians are told to live and behave, there is no religion even close. Christians have not always lived up to those expectations, but that does not reflect poorly on Christianity. If I went on a diet, but ate a whole chocolate cake every day and at the end of six moths had gained 90 pounds, is it the diets fault or the fault of my own behavior? The diet told me the right way to eat, but I choose to eat the wrong way. The diet cannot be blamed for my bad behavior. In the same way, Christianity cannot be blamed for the bad behavior of Christians. Culpability lies with the individual, Christianity remains pure.

It's a lie about Christianity. Opinions are held about subjective matters. What's your favorite color? What is the truth about life, the universe and everything? But to claim that Christianity teaches that Christianity should be spread by the sword, that goes against the objective truth that Christians are commanded to be peaceful. You cannot legitimately have an opinion about an objective truth. If it's my opinion that you are a 90 pound blond woman named Sarah, that's stupid. You are obviously a man from your pictures. I cannot have an opinion about objective facts like your hair color, gender or weight, to have an opinion on those topics is illogical and illegitimate.

You posted objective facts about Islam and then stated that Christians believe the same way, which isn't true and it isn't an opinion. You cannot have opinions about objective facts.

I don't believe a lie should be allowed to stand.

You cannot have an opinion that Christianity teaches aggressive violence.

So Abra.....what is it you are saying???

Kat

Christianity is used as an excuse to commit murder and any impartial observer would have to admit that killing for religion is completely against the Old and New testament laws.