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Quikstepper's photo
Sun 07/06/08 06:15 AM
Edited by Quikstepper on Sun 07/06/08 06:41 AM
This is what we will expect if DEMS gain control. Bullying & divisions. This is why our freedoms are being taken away & why our nation has to take extra security measures. This has been going on long before 911.... and the ACLU wants to investigate the govt.???? I'd give that 3 rounds of DUH'S!!!! Political correctness opnly & all others need not apply.

I hope the boy scouts will move their date & the feds can reimburse them for travel changes in travel plans & expenses. That might be one way to solve the problem.

The Boy Scouts????? DUH!!!!! BTW...I guess it takes a real..uh....er...man? to bully a bunch of boy scouts...huh? :wink: :wink:

400 members of Rainbow Family surround, attack federal officers

Forest Service officials stoned by hippie group allowed to displace Boy Scouts' service project


National Forest Service officials, surrounded and attacked yesterday in Wyoming with sticks and stones by 400 members of the Rainbow Family, were given reason to regret their decision to cancel a long-planned national service project by the Boy Scouts of America in favor of the unorganized annual gathering of hippies, anarchists and "free spirits" who commune with nature and each other.

According to a statement released by the Forest Service's Incident Command Team in Rock Springs, Wyo., officers patrolling the main meadow of the seven-day event held near Sandy Springs made contact with a man who fled and was later apprehended. A second Rainbow attendee was detained for interfering in the arrest.

As 10 officers began to leave the area with their suspects, they were surrounded by an estimated 400 members of the Rainbow Family. A request for additional officers was made.

"The mob began to advance, throwing sticks and rocks at the officers. Crowd-control tactics were used to keep moving through the group of Rainbows," the news release said.

When back-up support arrived, officers made five arrests. A government vehicle was damaged and one officer was treated for injuries at a local hospital and released.

"This lawless behavior is unacceptable and we will not tolerate it," said John Twiss, Forest Service director of law enforcement. "The safety of our employees, public and Rainbow participants is our number one priority, and we will continue to protect everyone on the national forest."

As WND reported, the Forest Service canceled a week-long national service project by approximately 1,000 members of the Order of the Arrow, the honor society for the Boy Scouts of America, scheduled since 2004, after the Rainbow Family announced it would hold its annual gathering in the same general location.


Participants in the ArrowCorps5 project will be awarded a badge for their work

As WND has reported, the Order of the Arrow has been working for several years to put together this year's public service project called ArrowCorps5.

The plans include about 5,000 top Boy Scouts from across the country donating an estimated 250,000 hours of time to restore, repair, rebuild, reclaim and refurbish miles of trails, acres and glens at five different sites in the nation's forests. In most cases, the scouts pay their own travel and room and board expenses to participate in the biggest service project since World War II.

"ArrowCorps5 is the largest, most complex, most challenging conservation project ever conceived by the Order of the Arrow and Boy Scouts of America," said Brad Haddock, chairman of the National Order of the Arrow Committee. "This project provides a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for each participant to set an example of leadership in service to those who treasure our national forests."

The decision by the Forest Service to evict the Scouts left local Wyoming leaders infuriated.

"It's a matter of intimidation," Sublette, Wyo., County commissioner Joel Bousman told WND. "It appears the Rainbow group has managed to intimidate an entire federal agency."

Mark Rey, the federal undersecretary supervising the U.S. Forest Service, met with Rainbow Family members earlier in Pinedale, and urged them to move their gathering, the Casper Star-Tribune reported. They refused.

Rey told WND he thought the decision to move the Scouts to somewhere else and leave the Rainbow Family alone was the best under the circumstances. He said the government allows the Rainbow Family to bypass its regular permit requirements in favor of an "operating plan" but the bottom line was that the government didn't want to be arresting hundreds or thousands of people.

"They couldn't be expelled without a fairly significant amount of law enforcement activity," he told WND a week before the gathering began.

"The Boy Scouts have been planning this since 2004," Bousman told WND. "They've been through the planning process and have been working very cooperatively with our Forest Service. They've spent lots of money planning the biggest venture ever for the Boy Scouts.

"They did everything legally, they had their permits. But because of the fact Undersecretary Rey, for whatever reason, took it on himself to do what he has referred to as an experimental process by which he does not require the Rainbow Group to have any permit, the conflict developed," Bousman said.

Now, the "significant amount of law enforcement activity" Rey was hoping to avoid by not holding the Rainbow family to the standard permitting process has become unavoidable.

Following yesterday's melee, members of the gathering told the Star-Tribune a far different story than that told by the Forest Service.

"They were so violent, like dogs," camper Robert Parker said after the incident. "People yelled at them, 'You're shooting children.'"

Rainbow members claimed they were Tasered, hit with rubber bullets and pepper spray balls, and had guns pointed at them.

"These people deliberately, for hours, were aggressively working the camp over and working the people over," a Rainbow who gave his name only as Ryan said. "They chose the kiddie village – the one place, the kids, to take their stand and create a riot, and I bought into it. ... They were looking for an excuse to do some damage to us."

Ryan's partner, Feather, said she was pepper-sprayed, and saw another Rainbow member with welts all over his body.

Today, the American Civil Liberties Union announced plans to investigate how federal law enforcement treated those attending the gathering. Linda Burt, executive director of the ACLU in Wyoming, said her organization would accept collect calls from Rainbow Family members for the next two weeks to gather information.

Meanwhile, the ArrowCorps5 projects already completed in other states are being credited with making "immediate" changes, Scott Scheffler, a volunteer spokesman for the Scouts, told WND. In Missouri, for example, 100 acres of invasive salt cedar was removed, restoring the area's water table, allowing grasslands to re-grow and restoring the area's beautiful vistas.


123getready's photo
Sun 07/06/08 11:39 AM
The Rainbow Family are ANARCHISTS NOT LEFTISTS.

They do NOT support any ideology. They support chaos, and would attack a Democratic administration with as much gusto as they attack a Republican one.

The President, a Right Wing Republican if there ever was one, is in charge of all the "executive depts. of Govt. which includes the National Forest Service.

If the NFS did cancel a Boy Scout event, than it was done at the behest of a RIGHT WING Govt.

The LEFT WING has absolutely NO POWER in this administration.

Things may change Jan. 2009, but as of now Bush is still in control

Therefor ANY FEDERAL GOV'T actions are ACTIONS OF THE RIGHT WING Administration

If you don't agree, rather than debate, perhaps you could tell me a SINGLE LAW that the Democrats have passed OVER the objection of Republicans and Bush.

The answer is 0.

That is how totally the Republicans control Govt.

Yes after 2006 Dems gained control of the House, but NOT by a margin large enough to stop Bush from doing anything.

So in effect Bush and the Right Wing are still in control, albeit not so absolutely as after 9/11.

Ultimately, any FEDERAL GOVT. action you have NOT LIKED in the last 8 years YOU SHOULD BLAME ON THE RIGHT WING, NOT the Leftys, who haven't had power to make the Govt. do anything.

The ACLU sole ability to affect things is by lawsuit which can take over a decade to resolve. Which means they are NOT in control of the day to day or year to year. Finally a lawsuit does NOT make rules. It just stops this or that.

Ultimately its the Federal Govt. controlled by Right Wingers for the last 8yrs that Enforces them as they see fit.

So blame the Right Wing. Leave the Left wing out of it.

Honestly you sound like a liberal, who's been watching to much Fox News and thinks liberals eat babies, support incest Etc.

You might want to get news from REAL LIBERAL sources instead of Right Wing sources who spin everything negatively. I have a feeling you'll be shocked at how much you agree with everything they say. Try http://www.salon.com

Quikstepper's photo
Sun 07/06/08 01:06 PM
Uh,.... my point is that the federal undersecretary bypassed the permits only to have it thrown in his face with this situation.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S A NEED FOR ADDED MEASURES...

BECAUSE LIBS CAN'T CONTROL THEMSELVES.

It's right there in the article for anyone who READ IT!

damnitscloudy's photo
Sun 07/06/08 03:14 PM
Those arn't liberals at all, they are farking hippies.

Theres a big difference between the two. Like libs take showers and comb their hair, and try to appear nice.

Hippies don't. The only time they touch water is if they go swimming in a lake. O_o

soxfan94's photo
Sun 07/06/08 08:14 PM

Uh,.... my point is that the federal undersecretary bypassed the permits only to have it thrown in his face with this situation.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S A NEED FOR ADDED MEASURES...

BECAUSE LIBS CAN'T CONTROL THEMSELVES.

It's right there in the article for anyone who READ IT!


Speaking about individual actions while attempting to relate their consequences to a larger group sharing similar (sometimes) beliefs smacks of such abhorrent stereotyping as racism and sexism. The fact that individual Republicans can't control themselves from ethical violations doesn't mean that all Republicans (or right-leaning ideologues, if you prefer to avoid political parties) are the same way.

Regardless of your political preference, it's illogical and needlessly broad attacks such as this one which need to be avoided if this country is ever going to focus on anything important. There is no sense in saying that all liberals want to turn to communism. I'm sure some do, but that has no bearing on the millions of liberals en masse. Vice versa with conservatives and their particular stances as well.

Needless vitriol sure isn't helping this country.

Quikstepper's photo
Mon 07/07/08 02:32 AM


Uh,.... my point is that the federal undersecretary bypassed the permits only to have it thrown in his face with this situation.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S A NEED FOR ADDED MEASURES...

BECAUSE LIBS CAN'T CONTROL THEMSELVES.

It's right there in the article for anyone who READ IT!


Speaking about individual actions while attempting to relate their consequences to a larger group sharing similar (sometimes) beliefs smacks of such abhorrent stereotyping as racism and sexism. The fact that individual Republicans can't control themselves from ethical violations doesn't mean that all Republicans (or right-leaning ideologues, if you prefer to avoid political parties) are the same way.

Regardless of your political preference, it's illogical and needlessly broad attacks such as this one which need to be avoided if this country is ever going to focus on anything important. There is no sense in saying that all liberals want to turn to communism. I'm sure some do, but that has no bearing on the millions of liberals en masse. Vice versa with conservatives and their particular stances as well.

Needless vitriol sure isn't helping this country.


There is a big difference between social engineering & conserving values for sociatal benefits. In other words...clean up your own mess before you point fingers with your phoney compassion.

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 07/07/08 02:53 AM
drinker I was in the Boy Scoutsdrinker

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Mon 07/07/08 02:57 AM
Sounds like they canceled the scouts so they wouldn't be around the Rainbows which was a good decision.Did you want a bunch of boys around lawless hippies?

Anyway the Rainbows have a right to be in the woods like everyone else or is America just for Christian Right wingers?

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 07/07/08 02:59 AM

Sounds like they canceled the scouts so they wouldn't be around the Rainbows which was a good decision.Did you want a bunch of boys around lawless hippies?

Anyway the Rainbows have a right to be in the woods like everyone else or is America just for Christian Right wingers?
drinker Thats truedrinker

soxfan94's photo
Mon 07/07/08 02:58 PM


There is a big difference between social engineering & conserving values for sociatal benefits. In other words...clean up your own mess before you point fingers with your phoney compassion.


Pointing fingers at any broad national agenda while attributing it to either particular end of the political spectrum is precisely what I was avoiding (and condemning). I was pointing only at those who would classify an entire segment of the population as specifically like-minded, choreographed, and bonded together for supposedly malevolent purposes.

There's no reason that a decision by a particular undersecretary to bypass regulations in favor of a decidedly non-mainstream leftist group should be extrapolated to represent the views of an entire political party. Your assertion that any of this foreshadows Democrats' actions is fairly ridiculous. It would be comparable to saying that every Republican is defined by the actions of any one right winger. Let's try to see the bigger picture here.

Chazster's photo
Mon 07/07/08 03:41 PM
Is it just me, or did that guy try to blame Bush for not hosting the Boy Scout thing. OMG what are they gonna blame him for next? Oh man my foots asleep.. damn GW.

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 07/07/08 03:47 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Mon 07/07/08 04:11 PM
"400 members of Rainbow Family surround, attack federal officers"

"Forest Service officials stoned by hippie group allowed to displace Boy Scouts' service project"




happy GOOD happy

laugh I NEVER met a Federal Officer that wasnt a major league A-hole laugh

noway They think they own us and everything else.noway

flowerforyou If someone stood up to the Federal Government, I wish them all the luck in the worldflowerforyou

laugh I would like to pop a Federal Officer upside the head with a rock toolaugh

laugh They deserve itlaugh

Dragoness's photo
Mon 07/07/08 03:55 PM

This is what we will expect if DEMS gain control. Bullying & divisions. This is why our freedoms are being taken away & why our nation has to take extra security measures. This has been going on long before 911.... and the ACLU wants to investigate the govt.???? I'd give that 3 rounds of DUH'S!!!! Political correctness opnly & all others need not apply.

I hope the boy scouts will move their date & the feds can reimburse them for travel changes in travel plans & expenses. That might be one way to solve the problem.

The Boy Scouts????? DUH!!!!! BTW...I guess it takes a real..uh....er...man? to bully a bunch of boy scouts...huh? :wink: :wink:

400 members of Rainbow Family surround, attack federal officers

Forest Service officials stoned by hippie group allowed to displace Boy Scouts' service project


National Forest Service officials, surrounded and attacked yesterday in Wyoming with sticks and stones by 400 members of the Rainbow Family, were given reason to regret their decision to cancel a long-planned national service project by the Boy Scouts of America in favor of the unorganized annual gathering of hippies, anarchists and "free spirits" who commune with nature and each other.

According to a statement released by the Forest Service's Incident Command Team in Rock Springs, Wyo., officers patrolling the main meadow of the seven-day event held near Sandy Springs made contact with a man who fled and was later apprehended. A second Rainbow attendee was detained for interfering in the arrest.

As 10 officers began to leave the area with their suspects, they were surrounded by an estimated 400 members of the Rainbow Family. A request for additional officers was made.

"The mob began to advance, throwing sticks and rocks at the officers. Crowd-control tactics were used to keep moving through the group of Rainbows," the news release said.

When back-up support arrived, officers made five arrests. A government vehicle was damaged and one officer was treated for injuries at a local hospital and released.

"This lawless behavior is unacceptable and we will not tolerate it," said John Twiss, Forest Service director of law enforcement. "The safety of our employees, public and Rainbow participants is our number one priority, and we will continue to protect everyone on the national forest."

As WND reported, the Forest Service canceled a week-long national service project by approximately 1,000 members of the Order of the Arrow, the honor society for the Boy Scouts of America, scheduled since 2004, after the Rainbow Family announced it would hold its annual gathering in the same general location.


Participants in the ArrowCorps5 project will be awarded a badge for their work

As WND has reported, the Order of the Arrow has been working for several years to put together this year's public service project called ArrowCorps5.

The plans include about 5,000 top Boy Scouts from across the country donating an estimated 250,000 hours of time to restore, repair, rebuild, reclaim and refurbish miles of trails, acres and glens at five different sites in the nation's forests. In most cases, the scouts pay their own travel and room and board expenses to participate in the biggest service project since World War II.

"ArrowCorps5 is the largest, most complex, most challenging conservation project ever conceived by the Order of the Arrow and Boy Scouts of America," said Brad Haddock, chairman of the National Order of the Arrow Committee. "This project provides a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for each participant to set an example of leadership in service to those who treasure our national forests."

The decision by the Forest Service to evict the Scouts left local Wyoming leaders infuriated.

"It's a matter of intimidation," Sublette, Wyo., County commissioner Joel Bousman told WND. "It appears the Rainbow group has managed to intimidate an entire federal agency."

Mark Rey, the federal undersecretary supervising the U.S. Forest Service, met with Rainbow Family members earlier in Pinedale, and urged them to move their gathering, the Casper Star-Tribune reported. They refused.

Rey told WND he thought the decision to move the Scouts to somewhere else and leave the Rainbow Family alone was the best under the circumstances. He said the government allows the Rainbow Family to bypass its regular permit requirements in favor of an "operating plan" but the bottom line was that the government didn't want to be arresting hundreds or thousands of people.

"They couldn't be expelled without a fairly significant amount of law enforcement activity," he told WND a week before the gathering began.

"The Boy Scouts have been planning this since 2004," Bousman told WND. "They've been through the planning process and have been working very cooperatively with our Forest Service. They've spent lots of money planning the biggest venture ever for the Boy Scouts.

"They did everything legally, they had their permits. But because of the fact Undersecretary Rey, for whatever reason, took it on himself to do what he has referred to as an experimental process by which he does not require the Rainbow Group to have any permit, the conflict developed," Bousman said.

Now, the "significant amount of law enforcement activity" Rey was hoping to avoid by not holding the Rainbow family to the standard permitting process has become unavoidable.

Following yesterday's melee, members of the gathering told the Star-Tribune a far different story than that told by the Forest Service.

"They were so violent, like dogs," camper Robert Parker said after the incident. "People yelled at them, 'You're shooting children.'"

Rainbow members claimed they were Tasered, hit with rubber bullets and pepper spray balls, and had guns pointed at them.

"These people deliberately, for hours, were aggressively working the camp over and working the people over," a Rainbow who gave his name only as Ryan said. "They chose the kiddie village – the one place, the kids, to take their stand and create a riot, and I bought into it. ... They were looking for an excuse to do some damage to us."

Ryan's partner, Feather, said she was pepper-sprayed, and saw another Rainbow member with welts all over his body.

Today, the American Civil Liberties Union announced plans to investigate how federal law enforcement treated those attending the gathering. Linda Burt, executive director of the ACLU in Wyoming, said her organization would accept collect calls from Rainbow Family members for the next two weeks to gather information.

Meanwhile, the ArrowCorps5 projects already completed in other states are being credited with making "immediate" changes, Scott Scheffler, a volunteer spokesman for the Scouts, told WND. In Missouri, for example, 100 acres of invasive salt cedar was removed, restoring the area's water table, allowing grasslands to re-grow and restoring the area's beautiful vistas.




Right winger garbage, I am sure.

Lindyy's photo
Mon 07/07/08 04:26 PM

"400 members of Rainbow Family surround, attack federal officers"

"Forest Service officials stoned by hippie group allowed to displace Boy Scouts' service project"




happy GOOD happy

laugh I NEVER met a Federal Officer that wasnt a major league A-hole laugh

noway They think they own us and everything else.noway

flowerforyou If someone stood up to the Federal Government, I wish them all the luck in the worldflowerforyou

laugh I would like to pop a Federal Officer upside the head with a rock toolaugh

laugh They deserve itlaugh


Well now, you make sound, mature, rational statements - NOT.
And, you sound a bit violent, radical. grumble

Lindyy
:angry:

Lindyy's photo
Mon 07/07/08 04:30 PM

Sounds like they canceled the scouts so they wouldn't be around the Rainbows which was a good decision.Did you want a bunch of boys around lawless hippies?

Anyway the Rainbows have a right to be in the woods like everyone else or is America just for Christian Right wingers?


I am a Christian Right Winger. Did not like the hippie movement. People have a right to be whoever they are, I just do not like the 'flaunting' of certain types of behavior.

Lindyy
:heart:

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 07/07/08 04:34 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Mon 07/07/08 04:53 PM


"400 members of Rainbow Family surround, attack federal officers"

"Forest Service officials stoned by hippie group allowed to displace Boy Scouts' service project"




happy GOOD happy

laugh I NEVER met a Federal Officer that wasnt a major league A-hole laugh

noway They think they own us and everything else.noway

flowerforyou If someone stood up to the Federal Government, I wish them all the luck in the worldflowerforyou

laugh I would like to pop a Federal Officer upside the head with a rock toolaugh

laugh They deserve itlaugh


Well now, you make sound, mature, rational statements - NOT.
And, you sound a bit violent, radical. grumble

Lindyy
:angry:
ohwell laugh flowerforyou I didnt say I really wouldlaugh ohwell flowerforyou

flowerforyou But I understand.flowerforyou

flowerforyou Considering the way every Federal Officer I ever met actedflowerforyou

:smile: The Federal Officers probably got what they deserved.:smile:

krupa's photo
Tue 07/08/08 04:38 PM
Edited by krupa on Tue 07/08/08 04:58 PM
Wow! I didn't realize I stumbled into the "judgemental bigotry against people we haven't met" thread.

Slowly backing away......(Don't make eye contact Krupa...Thier vision is based on movement)....

Good grief!

Oh yeah, I am proud to be a hippy....peace, acceptance, and just trying to be happy.

Before you guys jump my sh*t....I proudly served in the USN on the aircraft carrier America during the Airstrike on lybia 1986.....I have served my country....I have the right to my opinion as well......

I find it laughably ironic that the term "Leftist Bullies" is just an intro to right wing bullying. smoothe and subtle...it ain't.

Now, take your cheap shots guys........

Fanta46's photo
Tue 07/08/08 04:55 PM
Republicans sure are desperate!!!noway noway

no photo
Tue 07/08/08 06:59 PM

Republicans sure are desperate!!!noway noway


Democratic Congress. Breaking the pork barrel spending record and they have a 9 percent approval rating...lol.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 07/08/08 07:12 PM
Bush said: “The people’s trust in their Government is undermined by congressional earmarks — special interest projects that are often snuck in at the last minute, without discussion or debate.”

FACT — BUSH HAS ENGAGED IN HIS OWN EARMARKING: In 2007, Bush stuffed approximately 580 earmarks worth $15.6 billion into his appropriation request for military construction and veterans affairs. Bush’s earmarks included $24 million for the Laura Bush 21st Century Librarian Program and “$8.9 million for the Points of Light foundation, a pet project started by his father, former President George H.W. Bush.” [Washington Examiner, 11/15/07]

FACT — BUSH HAS REPEATEDLY SIGNED PORK-LADEN BILLS INTO LAW: According to the Congressional Research Service, there were 997 earmarks in the Fiscal 2000 defense appropriation bill. By the Fiscal 2005 law that Bush signed into law, there were 2506 earmarks, “more than two and half times the number contained the Fiscal 2000 bill.” In the bill funding the departments of Labor, Health and Human Services and Education, the number of earmarks grew from 291 in 2000 to 3,014 in 2005. [Lilly, 1/28/08]

FACT — EARMARKS EXPLODED UNDER THE GOP-CONTROLLED CONGRESS: When Republicans took over Congress in 1994, there were 4,000 earmarks on appropriations bills. At the end of the 109th Congress in 2005, there were 15,000. [Washington Post, 1/25/06; The Gavel, 1/28/08]

FACT — CURRENT 110TH CONGRESS HAS CUT EARMARKS IN HALF: “As promised when they took control of Congress,” in 2007, “House Democratic leaders cut in half from last year the value of earmarks in the bill, as they did in the other 11 agency spending measures.” [New York Times, 11/4/07
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/28/sotu-federal-earmarks-have-exploded-under-bush-and-gop-led-congress/


In the December 6-9 poll, Congress received a 32 percent approval rating, up from 28 percent in the October 29-November 1 poll and 29 percent in a September 27-30 poll. Additionally, the Democrats in Congress received a 40 percent approval rating in the December 6-9 poll, in contrast with "Bush's 33 percent," as the Post article noted.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200712130008

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