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Topic: so glad
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Mon 06/30/08 09:44 AM
I agree Buffry! Ur 100% right on with this subject thats how i feel. The government doesnt want this research to go on cause if they do more research n find cures and new treatments the pharmacuticals companies and the government lose money!

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Mon 06/30/08 01:38 PM


I cannot comment on stem cell research but I was almost moved to tears last summer in the airport witnessing the long line of soldiers at least 200(most were younger than my own children) boarding planes for Iraq. I watched the horseplay and the camaraderie with sadness because I know many of these newbies would never return or never be the same again. I was in HS during Vietnam and it disturbs me to see the lives of American youth wasted on these wars.


Tell that to the soldiers boarding that plane that their lives are wasted and hear what they have to say about that.


Lets ask them sailor!!!

As criticism of the Iraq war grows at home, some US soldiers abroad are rejecting Bush's mission. On military bases across Germany, many are now seeking a way out through desertion or early discharge.

When he goes underground, he won't tell his mom. "John," a rangy young soldier with arresting eyebrows, has planned each step carefully. He will spend his leave from an Army base in Germany at home in the northeastern United States, snowboarding, visiting friends, and hanging out with his teenage siblings.

Then he'll disappear. When the military police call his mother and stepfather, the hard-line Bush supporters will be able to say honestly that they don't know where their son is.


Service members say it stands to reason that many people desert overseas. A foreign posting -- 65,000 troops are now stationed in Germany -- is often a major reality-check for soldiers. Many are abroad for the first time, and being far from family, in a country that opposes the war, and halfway to the battlefield "forces you to think about things a lot closer," says former Army Sgt. DeShawn Reed.

In the US, too, groups like Iraq Veterans Against the War and Veterans for Peace are growing. Nearly 1,600 enlisted soldiers have signed an appeal to the US Congress that reads: "Staying in Iraq will not work and is not worth the price." And in Seattle, Lt. Ehren Watada, 29, is now grabbing headlines as the first American officer to be court-martialed for refusing to serve in Iraq. The Japanese American has called the conflict "an illegal and unjust war ... for profit and imperialistic domination."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,468740,00.html


Now before you claim that's an isolated insistence!

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Mon 06/30/08 01:39 PM
Evers, 37, is a thoughtful Nebraskan with the manner and historical insights of a political science professor. This was his second Iraq War. As a recent high school graduate, he spent 1991 on a battleship in the Persian Gulf. A decade later, in Kosovo, he saw how people welcomed American troops. "It was what I thought being in the military was all about," he says; one home he visited had photos of Bill Clinton and Tony Blair on the wall.

The Sunni Triangle was an ugly contrast. No one wanted Evers's men there, and he could see why. Escorting oil trucks up and down roads where families lack electricity and water, "you're doing more harm than good," he says, "and to me that stings."

The son and grandson of military men, Evers joined up to defend his Constitution. Initially, he supported the invasion of Iraq. Before the United Nations, US Secretary of State Colin Powell had staked his reputation on the claim that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Evers admired the statesman, "and I thought, if Colin Powell said it, it's good enough for me."

But on the ground, where he was responsible for the lives of eight men, where he zipped his best friend up in a body bag and saw things that made him wake up screaming at night, it ceased to be enough. There were no WMDs, just scared and angry Iraqis. By the time Evers was wounded on a raid in November 2004 and sent to a military hospital in Landstuhl, he felt the terrible futility of what he had been sent to do.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,468740,00.html

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Mon 06/30/08 01:42 PM
For Agustin Aguayo, it is too soon to talk about pride. The future is uncertain; the past year, a blur. In September the self-described pacifist escaped orders to return to Iraq by leaping out the back window of his Schweinfurt home. He left behind his wife and 11-year old twin daughters, hopped a train to Munich, hid there with a family, secured a Mexican passport and a plane ticket to Guadalajara, flew by way of Spain, crossed the US border, caught a ride home to Los Angeles, and turned himself in to a local Army base -- all in 24 days.

He was returned to Germany in handcuffs, charged with "missing movement" for not going to Iraq with his unit and "short-form desertion" for his time on the run. Next week, a military judge in Würzburg is expected to sentence Aguayo to between two and seven years. Legal experts say that ultimately the case could force a long-awaited revision of American military law.


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Mon 06/30/08 01:43 PM
Chris lies awake most nights. "I just don't know how I'm going to get past this, my whole life, " he says, six months back from Iraq. The young California medic lost a great deal in this war. His wife, who got tired of waiting for him to come home; friends who died before his eyes; an untormented mind.

In what feels like a former life, he voted for President Bush. He wouldn't do it again. "I don't think we've done anything to improve Iraq," he says, "we've just wasted a lot of human lives." Psychologically, Chris says, he won't make it through another tour in Iraq. Right now he is in a holding pattern, working on and off at his Rhineland base, waiting for his contract to end in March. Hoping to go home, finish school, and get his paramedic's license.

Fearing he will be "stop-lossed," one of the tens of thousands who have completed their service but now must stay another year or more.

If that happens, he doesn't yet know what he'll do.


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Mon 06/30/08 01:46 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Mon 06/30/08 01:48 PM
Here's an education for you! If you really want to know!


Video,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_4850000/newsid_4859400/bb_wm_4859458.stm

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