Topic: Is Atheism a religion?
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Sat 06/28/08 12:10 PM

JESUS CHRIST WILL NEVER RISE AGAIN! N by the way GOD IS A LIE!


Hello psycho. I would like to thank you wholeheartedly for reaffirming my belief in Scriptures like 1 John. Your opinion is most appreciated! Have blessed day.

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Sat 06/28/08 12:48 PM

Here is what I gather. What do you think Atheism is?


Atheism can only exist because God doesn't

if the existence of God could be established then Atheism would fall..but since a God could never prove it's existence then Atheism can only be perceive as being rational thinking

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Sat 06/28/08 12:49 PM


Here is what I gather. What do you think Atheism is?


Atheism can only exist because God doesn't

if the existence of God could be established then Atheism would fall..but since a God could never prove it's existence then Atheism can only be perceive as being rational thinking


That is a great answer. thank you for sharing this.

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Sat 06/28/08 12:55 PM
People can believe in watever they want. I believe in myself. I can make a differance in my life!

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Sat 06/28/08 01:14 PM


Here is what I gather. What do you think Atheism is?


Atheism can only exist because God doesn't

if the existence of God could be established then Atheism would fall..but since a God could never prove it's existence then Atheism can only be perceive as being rational thinking


God proved Himself repeatedly to His own people. Despite having seen the "Shekinah" (a cloud of white hot smoke that ascended into heaven), or the glory of God, they still fell into worshipping false gods. So I wonder, having the truth of the Bible which gave that example, even if God were to tap you on the shoulder, would you believe then? Because that same Bible says that you wouldn't. That is part of His all-knowing character. "Why waste the time" seems like the perfect sylligism against showing a people who wouldn't believe anyway. I could be wrong.

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Sat 06/28/08 01:23 PM
God is a myth. just look at ur life has God done anythin u prayed 4?

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Sat 06/28/08 01:28 PM



Here is what I gather. What do you think Atheism is?


Atheism can only exist because God doesn't

if the existence of God could be established then Atheism would fall..but since a God could never prove it's existence then Atheism can only be perceive as being rational thinking


God proved Himself repeatedly to His own people. Despite having seen the "Shekinah" (a cloud of white hot smoke that ascended into heaven), or the glory of God, they still fell into worshipping false gods. So I wonder, having the truth of the Bible which gave that example, even if God were to tap you on the shoulder, would you believe then? Because that same Bible says that you wouldn't. That is part of His all-knowing character. "Why waste the time" seems like the perfect sylligism against showing a people who wouldn't believe anyway. I could be wrong.


the bible even acknowledge that a God could never prove it's existence...that's why the bible quoted God's words to prove his existence as "I AM" ..saying or thinking "I AM" can only prove your own existence to yourself and noone else

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Sat 06/28/08 01:37 PM
I AM SAM I AM! if there is a GOD how come this world is messed up?

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Sat 06/28/08 01:50 PM




Here is what I gather. What do you think Atheism is?


Atheism can only exist because God doesn't

if the existence of God could be established then Atheism would fall..but since a God could never prove it's existence then Atheism can only be perceive as being rational thinking


God proved Himself repeatedly to His own people. Despite having seen the "Shekinah" (a cloud of white hot smoke that ascended into heaven), or the glory of God, they still fell into worshipping false gods. So I wonder, having the truth of the Bible which gave that example, even if God were to tap you on the shoulder, would you believe then? Because that same Bible says that you wouldn't. That is part of His all-knowing character. "Why waste the time" seems like the perfect sylligism against showing a people who wouldn't believe anyway. I could be wrong.


the bible even acknowledge that a God could never prove it's existence...that's why the bible quoted God's words to prove his existence as "I AM" ..saying or thinking "I AM" can only prove your own existence to yourself and noone else


I am a christian. If you believe that you are reading these words, your sylligism just fell apart.

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Sat 06/28/08 01:53 PM
I believe in myself! People may think there is a GOD but wat has he done 4 u?

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Sat 06/28/08 01:56 PM

I believe in myself! People may think there is a GOD but wat has he done 4 u?


All that I require, but good question.

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Sat 06/28/08 02:50 PM





Here is what I gather. What do you think Atheism is?


Atheism can only exist because God doesn't

if the existence of God could be established then Atheism would fall..but since a God could never prove it's existence then Atheism can only be perceive as being rational thinking


God proved Himself repeatedly to His own people. Despite having seen the "Shekinah" (a cloud of white hot smoke that ascended into heaven), or the glory of God, they still fell into worshipping false gods. So I wonder, having the truth of the Bible which gave that example, even if God were to tap you on the shoulder, would you believe then? Because that same Bible says that you wouldn't. That is part of His all-knowing character. "Why waste the time" seems like the perfect sylligism against showing a people who wouldn't believe anyway. I could be wrong.


the bible even acknowledge that a God could never prove it's existence...that's why the bible quoted God's words to prove his existence as "I AM" ..saying or thinking "I AM" can only prove your own existence to yourself and noone else


I am a christian. If you believe that you are reading these words, your sylligism just fell apart.


not really .. because those words "I AM" was written in the bible that supposely God used to prove an existence ..if "I AM" was were written in a spiderman comic book that wouldn't mean that spiderman existed to anyone but the one who wrote those words 'I AM"

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Sat 06/28/08 04:02 PM

I believe in myself! People may think there is a GOD but wat has he done 4 u?


He has done much .....tyvm

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Sat 06/28/08 04:51 PM
Psycho...

I wanted to address this comment from you, and the other similar ones ...

God is a myth. just look at ur life has God done anythin u prayed 4?


This statement presupposes the existence of a 'God' who plays an active role in human affairs.

What about those who do not believe this aspect of a 'God'???

Does this then, in your opinion, also disprove the existence of that type of 'God'???

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Sat 06/28/08 07:46 PM

I believe in myself! People may think there is a GOD but wat has he done 4 u?


Lord Psycho, is that icon you use a picture of your kid? laugh

Or is that you as a baby?

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Sat 06/28/08 09:08 PM
Feral Wrote:
And there is no way anyone can convince me that God would let a book as you guys put it "written JUST by man be allowed to remain as long as it has.


Must not recognize some of the following:


Work When Written Earliest Copy
Caesar's Gallic Wars 100-44 BC 900 AD
Plato's Tetralogies 427-347 BC 900 AD
Herodotus' History 480-425 BC 900 AD
New Testament 40-70 AD 180 AD

Then of course there is:

“There are four Vedas, the Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda and Atharva Veda. The Vedas are the primary texts of Hinduism. They also had a vast influence on Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism. Traditionally the text of the Vedas was coeval with the universe. Scholars have determined that the Rig Veda, the oldest of the four Vedas, was composed about 1500 B.C., and codified about 600 B.C. It is unknown when it was finally committed to writing, but this probably was at some point after 300 B.C.

The Vedas contain hymns, incantations, and rituals from ancient India. Along with the Book of the Dead, the Enuma Elish, the I Ching, and the Avesta, they are among the most ancient religious texts still in existence. Besides their spiritual value, they also give a unique view of everyday life in India four thousand years ago. The Vedas are also the most ancient extensive texts in an Indo-European language, and as such are invaluable in the study of comparative linguistics.”

Oh yes and not to forget:

http://www.comfychair.org/~cmbell/myth/myth.html
The Mythology of the Constellations
“Most ancient cultures saw pictures in the stars of the night sky. The earliest known efforts to catalogue the stars date to cuneiform texts and artifacts dating back roughly 6000 years. These remnants, found in the valley of the Euphrates River, suggest that the ancients observing the heavens saw the lion, the bull, and the scorpion in the stars. The constellations as we know them today are undoubtedly very different from those first few--our night sky is a compendium of images from a number of different societies, both ancient and modern. By far, though, we owe the greatest debt to the mythology of the ancient Greeks and Romans.

The earliest references to the mythological significance of the Greek constellations may be found in the works of Homer, which probably date to the 7th century B.C. In the Iliad, for instance, Homer describes the creation of Achilleus's shield by the craftsman god Hephaistos:"

Of course Plato is still being read today as is the Kybalion and so many others – OLDER than any biblical scripture. But I’m sure this will make little difference to one who believes this:

And there is no way anyone can convince me that God would let a book as you guys put it "written JUST by man be allowed to remain as long as it has.


It's ok, I had to look them up too, Feral, the difference is that I knew they existed, just didn't remember all the particulars.


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Sat 06/28/08 09:23 PM
Jskinner

I would also add that the end result of thiests and athiests alike will be death. To a thiest, death here will transform into a series of options. Christians will either be glorified in Christ or be damned eternally. Bhuddists will be advanced or diminished according to their kharma. This list continues for the varied religions and for the sake of brevity will be omitted. However, for an athiest, death can only offer annihlation. This appeals to them because it offers no consequence to actions here and now. Indeed, you can look at streets today to see actions which reap no consequence, so why should death be any different?

I believe it is very sad to be so devoid of hope for anything more than what we have here. I believe in the life, crucifixion, burial and ressurection of Jesus Christ. I also believe that God elects those whom He will and I can provide Scripture all day long to those who need it. The fruits of this world are extremely attractive, but bereft of hope.


So the end result of any religious requirement of a human mind is to escape the reality of an unfair, painful, trying and difficult life, by believing they can, somehow, make themselves better, or more than what they are, or come to some enlightened reasoning for this mortal and physical existence which must certainly either end in punishment, or a life in which all desires are met ‘fairly’ and without any expectations of behavior or thought?

Is it sadder to think that people do not fear ceasing to exist, more than they fear the retribution of a being they spend their life trying to appease without ever knowing if that being exists? That they do this in the a frame of mind that limits their cognition, and hence their ability to experience all the wonders and knowledge that this life has to offer?

I can tell you this with certainty; whether it is the God of Scripture, Vishnu, Bhudda, Allah, money, power, fame, success, we all have a god.


This is the sad thought of one who is cynical of the world and all those who abide in it. Behind this thought would seem to be a person who has preset their vision to sterio-typing, and pre-judgment, all of which limits the ability of a mind to remain open and seeking and ready to experience, in spite of fairness, or fear, or poverty or heaven or hell.


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Sun 06/29/08 04:35 AM





I would say not a religion but a way of thinking....maybe to some a religion. I think you would have to ask them.

Atheism = non beliefs of godsrmation of the nonexistence of gods

Pantheism = believes that the trees are god, the mountain is god...that my dog spot is god.

This is what came to me regarding this thread.

Matthew 13

10 His disciples came and asked him, “Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?”

11 He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets[a] of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not. 12 To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them. 13 That is why I use these parables,

For they look, but they don’t really see.
They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand.

14 This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says,

‘When you hear what I say,
you will not understand.
When you see what I do,
you will not comprehend.
15 For the hearts of these people are hardened,
and their ears cannot hear,
and they have closed their eyes—
so their eyes cannot see,
and their ears cannot hear,
and their hearts cannot understand,
and they cannot turn to me
and let me heal them.’

16 “But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear. 17 I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, but they didn’t see it. And they longed to hear what you hear, but they didn’t hear it.



Man wrote the bible in parables because it can fit into more than one scenerio, making it easier to pass off as some divine work of revelation.

All religions must claim to have some kind of divine knowledge that is above the normal for people to believe they are superior and therefore special. Otherwise all religions would fail.

My opinion of course.


imo of course......did you not read why Jesus spoke in parables......not to make it fit more scenerio's....

10 His disciples came and asked him, “Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?”

11 He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets[a] of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not. 12 To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them. 13 That is why I use these parables,


Now for me pretty clear......for you not so....hmmmmmmm



No offense here of course, but I read it perfectly and if I gave my view you would probably be offended, I can tell already, so I will just say, people see what they WANT to see in the bible, and I will leave it at that. Just my opinion of course


Hello feral. Unfortunately, the Scripture you quote is meant for believers. The fact that you post it and the response it invites only affirms this. I would congratulate you on receiving it, however, the argument will provide fruitless results. You can provide Scripture only to those willing to accept it as infallible. Sadly, all else are spiritually discerned to it.


Very true indeed. What's sad is the anger by those who don't get it. Instead of seeking God out they have to bash those who express their faith to others.

The Psalams talks about "why do the heathen rage?"


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Sun 06/29/08 04:38 AM



Here is what I gather. What do you think Atheism is?


Atheism can only exist because God doesn't

if the existence of God could be established then Atheism would fall..but since a God could never prove it's existence then Atheism can only be perceive as being rational thinking


God proved Himself repeatedly to His own people. Despite having seen the "Shekinah" (a cloud of white hot smoke that ascended into heaven), or the glory of God, they still fell into worshipping false gods. So I wonder, having the truth of the Bible which gave that example, even if God were to tap you on the shoulder, would you believe then? Because that same Bible says that you wouldn't. That is part of His all-knowing character. "Why waste the time" seems like the perfect sylligism against showing a people who wouldn't believe anyway. I could be wrong.


So true...even Jesus said that to the cynics.

They killed the prophets & then God's Son. Some are just rebellious.

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Sun 06/29/08 08:50 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 06/29/08 08:51 AM
"Shekinah" is the feminine expression for god. It is the she-god. (It is not a cloud of white hot smoke that ascended into heaven)