Topic: the war on iraq.
Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Sat 06/14/08 07:32 AM
Edited by Serchin4MyRedWine on Sat 06/14/08 08:15 AM

It was only worth it if you look at the similarities between Sadam Hussein and Hitler.

On the other hand, the reason given to the public were bald faced lies.

They went in with the idea that all they had to do was hit the area hard enough and the mistaken belief that the people would fold like a house of cards and do what our country tells it to, because "Father knows best."

They went in with no real understanding of the mindset of the people.

They went in with no exit strategy at all.

The way they decided to help 'create' the money needed to fund it created a credit situation that is one of the leading factors in our current, hurting, economic situation.

All in all, they should have just focused on capturing Osama bin Laden and never taken this side trip into Iraq.

The U.S. destabilized an area of the world just to try to gain a foothold into the oil producing region. Was stupid, stupid, stupid.


We "went in" because Iraq invaded Kuwait and threatened Saudi Arabia and after freeing Kuwait from the invasion forces of Iraq a cease-fire was called if Iraq met certain UN mandates (see previous post) after 12 long years of Iraq side stepping these mandates (firing on coalition planes enforcing the no-fly zone, trying to decieve and stall weapons inspections etc) an end to the cease-fire ensued and that is where we stand now.

Lindyy's photo
Sat 06/14/08 09:15 AM

The first Gulf War should have never ended until it was seen through to the end. To allow a brutal dictator who invaded one country, launched numerous long range missiles into Israel, and had led numerous genocide campaigns on his own people to remain in power was a STUPID move.


Oh, so very right you are StarSailor!

People seem to have selective memory. The chemical genocide of the Kurds, the MASSIVE graves, the plastic shredder where they put people in feet first so they would suffer even more, the torture rooms, the beheading of people, the raping of women. Even the other mid east countries agree that the world is far better off with Hussein dead.

People, do you realize what will happen if we pull out of Iraq?

In comes Iran, and here comes WWIII!! They will go straignt for Israel, the crazy leader of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has already stated that he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Can any of you imagine, what it will be like if that attack against Israel happens? Do any of you understand the politics of the mid east?

My God, even Omar Khadafy retreated when we went into Iraq and after Hussein.

You know the old saying "Nip it in the Bud". Well, that is what was needed in Iraq!!

Does ANYONE have any COMMON SENSE?

No one wants war, but war has been the only way to maintain peace, freedom, democracy, civilty between countries.

You cannot sit down and "chat" with people like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I am sorry, but he just does not retreat for the pleasure of "Tea and crumpets."

YES, the Iraq war was/is necessary.

For those who think it is not necessary, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE PUT THROUGH A PLASTIC SHREDDER FEET FIRST???? Or, how about experiencing the pleasure of chemical genocide?

As far as I am concerned, it is extremely SELFISH to say, "Oh, well, not our country, not our people going through the brutality of rapes, beheadings. We just need to think of our own country." Well, we will not have a country if we do not take a stand agaist the horrors of the likes of Hussein.

Lindyy

bobbyblue's photo
Sat 06/14/08 09:46 AM
No we should not be there. We need to pull out today and the hell with people there. We have too many problem in the USA and that should be are attention.

Lindyy's photo
Sat 06/14/08 10:37 AM

No we should not be there. We need to pull out today and the hell with people there. We have too many problem in the USA and that should be are attention.


I guess you did not read my post right above youhuh frown

Fanta46's photo
Sat 06/14/08 03:19 PM
You people really do need to put down the Bushie Indoctrination Manual!!laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Sat 06/14/08 04:28 PM

No we should not be there. We need to pull out today and the hell with people there. We have too many problem in the USA and that should be are attention.

That makes sense .
Besides they did not go there to help Iraqis . They went there for :
1 : the oil .
2 : Permanent military bases .
3 : For Israel to control the whole region .
4 : the Hawks and the neo cons see Iraqis as their enemies not their friends .

Lindyy's photo
Sat 06/14/08 04:33 PM

You people really do need to put down the Bushie Indoctrination Manual!!laugh laugh laugh laugh


Fanta, hush up!grumble

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Sat 06/14/08 04:34 PM


No we should not be there. We need to pull out today and the hell with people there. We have too many problem in the USA and that should be are attention.

That makes sense .
Besides they did not go there to help Iraqis . They went there for :
1 : the oil .
2 : Permanent military bases .
3 : For Israel to control the whole region .
4 : the Hawks and the neo cons see Iraqis as their enemies not their friends .


WOW...Sam ..that was so deep, profound and rings of such true fantasy....almost like something spewed from the likes of CNN and NBC....truely remarkable and original...did you come up with that or did you read this on the internet?yawn

Lindyy's photo
Sat 06/14/08 04:34 PM


No we should not be there. We need to pull out today and the hell with people there. We have too many problem in the USA and that should be are attention.

That makes sense .
Besides they did not go there to help Iraqis . They went there for :
1 : the oil .
2 : Permanent military bases .
3 : For Israel to control the whole region .
4 : the Hawks and the neo cons see Iraqis as their enemies not their friends .


PROVE IT. And I mean with cites/links that people can go to and see the proof!! Talk is cheap.
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no photo
Sat 06/14/08 04:36 PM



No we should not be there. We need to pull out today and the hell with people there. We have too many problem in the USA and that should be are attention.

That makes sense .
Besides they did not go there to help Iraqis . They went there for :
1 : the oil .
2 : Permanent military bases .
3 : For Israel to control the whole region .
4 : the Hawks and the neo cons see Iraqis as their enemies not their friends .


WOW...Sam ..that was so deep, profound and rings of such true fantasy....almost like something spewed from the likes of CNN and NBC....truely remarkable and original...did you come up with that or did you read this on the internet?yawn

It is a disgrace to humanity to see people supporting the killings of millions of innocent folks in 2008 .
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Lindyy's photo
Sat 06/14/08 04:43 PM




No we should not be there. We need to pull out today and the hell with people there. We have too many problem in the USA and that should be are attention.

That makes sense .
Besides they did not go there to help Iraqis . They went there for :
1 : the oil .
2 : Permanent military bases .
3 : For Israel to control the whole region .
4 : the Hawks and the neo cons see Iraqis as their enemies not their friends .


WOW...Sam ..that was so deep, profound and rings of such true fantasy....almost like something spewed from the likes of CNN and NBC....truely remarkable and original...did you come up with that or did you read this on the internet?yawn

It is a disgrace to humanity to see people supporting the killings of millions of innocent folks in 2008 .
sad sad sad sad sad sad sad
sad sad sad sad sad sad sad .


Did you cry like that when Hussein did the chemical genocide of the Kurds? Did you cry like that when Hussein beheaded people, tortured and killed so many that mass graves are being found everywhere?

DID YOU CRY THAT WAY WHEN 9/11 happened?

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t22learner's photo
Sat 06/14/08 04:55 PM
Oh, Lindyy... You and the neocons helped to save the world by invading Iraq and saving the people from the horrible dictator (who we used to fund when it suited us). What about Darfur? Why aren't we saving the people from the real genocide there? Maybe because what's black in Sudan isn't oil...

dicimus01's photo
Sat 06/14/08 04:59 PM
The world leaders didn't do anything about Hitler until he invaded Poland.

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Sat 06/14/08 05:07 PM





No we should not be there. We need to pull out today and the hell with people there. We have too many problem in the USA and that should be are attention.

That makes sense .
Besides they did not go there to help Iraqis . They went there for :
1 : the oil .
2 : Permanent military bases .
3 : For Israel to control the whole region .
4 : the Hawks and the neo cons see Iraqis as their enemies not their friends .


WOW...Sam ..that was so deep, profound and rings of such true fantasy....almost like something spewed from the likes of CNN and NBC....truely remarkable and original...did you come up with that or did you read this on the internet?yawn

It is a disgrace to humanity to see people supporting the killings of millions of innocent folks in 2008 .
sad sad sad sad sad sad sad
sad sad sad sad sad sad sad .


Did you cry like that when Hussein did the chemical genocide of the Kurds? Did you cry like that when Hussein beheaded people, tortured and killed so many that mass graves are being found everywhere?

DID YOU CRY THAT WAY WHEN 9/11 happened?

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Many wrongs do not make one right .

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Sat 06/14/08 05:07 PM

Oh, Lindyy... You and the neocons helped to save the world by invading Iraq and saving the people from the horrible dictator (who we used to fund when it suited us). What about Darfur? Why aren't we saving the people from the real genocide there? Maybe because what's black in Sudan isn't oil...


Yes..and of course Clinton and his con men(as apposed to neo cons..lol) stopped the slaughter of over 300,000 people a week in Rwanda till over 3 million innocent people were wiped out.....yes he just stood by and didn't lift a finger and it has spilled over into all the surounding countries...but somehow I think you would find Bush and his "neo cons" responsible for that toolaugh laugh

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 06/14/08 05:14 PM
flowerforyou Do you think that Iraq will take us over if we call off the war ? flowerforyou

t22learner's photo
Sat 06/14/08 05:14 PM


Oh, Lindyy... You and the neocons helped to save the world by invading Iraq and saving the people from the horrible dictator (who we used to fund when it suited us). What about Darfur? Why aren't we saving the people from the real genocide there? Maybe because what's black in Sudan isn't oil...


Yes..and of course Clinton and his con men(as apposed to neo cons..lol) stopped the slaughter of over 300,000 people a week in Rwanda till over 3 million innocent people were wiped out.....yes he just stood by and didn't lift a finger and it has spilled over into all the surounding countries...but somehow I think you would find Bush and his "neo cons" responsible for that toolaugh laugh


Valid point, but the Democrats don't advocate an interventionist foreign policy like the neocons. You up for invading Iran too?

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Sat 06/14/08 05:16 PM

flowerforyou Do you think that Iraq will take us over if we call off the war ? flowerforyou

What do you mean really ?.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 06/14/08 05:18 PM





No we should not be there. We need to pull out today and the hell with people there. We have too many problem in the USA and that should be are attention.

That makes sense .
Besides they did not go there to help Iraqis . They went there for :
1 : the oil .
2 : Permanent military bases .
3 : For Israel to control the whole region .
4 : the Hawks and the neo cons see Iraqis as their enemies not their friends .


WOW...Sam ..that was so deep, profound and rings of such true fantasy....almost like something spewed from the likes of CNN and NBC....truely remarkable and original...did you come up with that or did you read this on the internet?yawn

It is a disgrace to humanity to see people supporting the killings of millions of innocent folks in 2008 .
sad sad sad sad sad sad sad
sad sad sad sad sad sad sad .


Did you cry like that when Hussein did the chemical genocide of the Kurds? Did you cry like that when Hussein beheaded people, tortured and killed so many that mass graves are being found everywhere?

DID YOU CRY THAT WAY WHEN 9/11 happened?

grumble grumble


Put down the Indoctrination manual Lindy,

The only verified Kurdish civilian deaths from chemical weapons occurred in the Iraqi village of Halabja, near the Iran border, where at least several hundred people died from gas poisoning in mid-March, 1988. We know that Iran overran the village and its small garrison of Iraqi troops; what is contested is who was responsible for the deaths--Iran or Iraq--and how large the death toll was.

The best evidence is a 1990 report by the Strategic Studies Institute of the U.S. Army War College.[2] It concluded that Iran, not Iraq, was the culprit in Halabja. Lead author Stephen Pelletiere, who was the CIA's senior political analyst on Iraq throughout the Iran-Iraq war, has described his group's findings:

"The great majority of the victims seen by reporters and other observers who attended the scene were blue in their extremities. That means that they were killed by a blood agent, probably either cyanogens chloride or hydrogen cyanide. Iraq never used and lacked any capacity to produce these chemicals. But the Iranians did deploy them. Therefore the Iranians killed the Kurds."[3]

http://www.mediamonitors.net/robinmiller10.html

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 06/14/08 05:20 PM


flowerforyou Do you think that Iraq will take us over if we call off the war ? flowerforyou

What do you mean really ?.
flowerforyou Isnt that what some people think?flowerforyou