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Its a smoke screen!  That's what Tribo does. He creates a smoke screen and then hides his true fears, intentions, and lack of conviction behind it. His real objectives and motivations are shortly obvious to anyone who reads two or three of his Christian hating threads. I thought you left for the joke section. What happened? Did you find out you aren't funny?  Is this true Tribo? I am a Christian. (Designer Christian as Abra would call me) Do you hate me?   Judge for yourself! Every thread he ever started is right here in the religion forum! Kinda strange for someone with no religion, aye? Read a couple of the OP's! not true fanta - my first post was on cosmology / cosmologist - in the general post section - had nothing to do with posting hate or anything but questions and answers and guess what - not one arguement or hateful, derrogatory thing was said by anyone - it was NOT until i started posting here that i was looked upon as the evil,child stealing, demonic hitlerlike, bat from hell - bent on the destruction of a 2000+ year old "religion" The Anti Christ of the religious forum who just happened to pick you and your supporter's to grab your swords and mount your angelic horses to do battle for your god and save the weak of mind from falling prey to beelzebub,satan,and the rest of the fallen angels. I'm not here to prey on the weak of mind - nor do i care what you personally believe. any derogitory comments i have made have mainly come after being rebuked by you and other's - when not it if my own temperment - which may be wrong at times but none the less mine - at least i donot fall back on my god for forgiveness of something "everyone" does - i take the resposibility for my actions and if and when necessary i will publically apologize to whom i may have offended with my stupid temperment at the moment.GAFC |
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Its a smoke screen! That's what Tribo does. He creates a smoke screen and then hides his true fears, intentions, and lack of conviction behind it. His real objectives and motivations are shortly obvious to anyone who reads two or three of his Christian hating threads. I thought you left for the joke section. What happened? Did you find out you aren't funny? Is this true Tribo? I am a Christian. (Designer Christian as Abra would call me) Do you hate me? Judge for yourself! Every thread he ever started is right here in the religion forum! Kinda strange for someone with no religion, aye? Read a couple of the OP's! not true fanta - my first post was on cosmology / cosmologist - in the general post section - had nothing to do with posting hate or anything but questions and answers and guess what - not one arguement or hateful, derrogatory thing was said by anyone - it was NOT until i started posting here that i was looked upon as the evil,child stealing, demonic hitlerlike, bat from hell - bent on the destruction of a 2000+ year old "religion" - The Anti Christ of the religious forum who just happened to pick you and your supporter's to rail against so it would lead you to grab your swords and mount your angelic horses to do battle for your god and save the weak of mind from falling prey to beelzebub,satan,and the rest of the fallen angels. I'm not here to prey on the weak of mind - nor do i care what you personally believe. any derogitory comments i have made have mainly come after being rebuked by you and other's - when not it is my own temperment - which may be wrong at times but none the less mine - at least i donot fall back on my god for forgiveness of something "everyone" does - i take the resposibility for my actions and if and when necessary i will publically apologize to whom i may have offended with my stupid temperment at the moment, what is taking place on this and my previous post is people getting to know from whence they have walked away and why - not any different really than a new christian convert standing in front of the congregation testifying to his change of mind in accepting your god .GAFC |
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cherub
Do you believe that they are ALL "TRUTH"? I tend to believe that they are all different perspectives of ONE "TRUTH". I have my own perspective of truth because I see the world through my eyes and experiences. You have a different perspecitive because you have your own eyes and have lived your own life. However, I believe that the TRUTH is sigular and remains the same. One or both of our perspectives could be completely wrong but that does not change the TRUTH. What do you think? tribo: There are many faceted truths that surround the "CORE TRUTH'S" and yes each one of us has truth's that may be unique to them varying all over the place. but as you state the core truth's are singular. they remain constant and even though you may not know or completely understand them - they continue to be core truth's - example - gravity - it exsist and will continue to exist as long as the universe exist - whether you believe in it or understand it or not - it is throughout the universe in varying degrees but no matter where it is it functions in the same way - even if we dont know why. you don't have to believe in it - you can deny it exist - but gravity like the weather does not pay any attention to other's opinion's of whether or not they believe in it. "It just is"- in much the same way i think of true unselfish love. |
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that is both your right and your choice quick, but can we keep this thread on subject - its about cherub wanting answers from those who were christians that have left christianity and now believe differently - all black bird was doing was stating his case - for "cherub, as i asked spider and now you - i know you have evry right to say what you believe and feel how you feel but please if you must try to be patient and let the thread run it's coarse before posting your thoughts if you can manage your patient's ok? i really would like to see this post which is a continuation of my post in one sense find it's conclusion with little argueing as possible - thnx in advance  Many thanks Tribo! I don't know why this has to be so difficult. I am very discourged. Many thanks to those who did respond! I really would like to hear from more of you out there who once believed and no longer do. |
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Okay sorry guys, I wanted to post earlier but was at work and wasn't able to really dedicate any time to it.
I grew up a Christian, went to church every Sunday, Baptized, went through first communion and all that fun stuff. Unfortunately I was at the age where I was still believing what anyone told me and not really thinking for myself. About the time I hit age 14 and I started thinking for myself, I started asking questions, and man did bad things hit the fan from there. No one would give me any type of actual answers for what I was asking without referring back to the bible and just saying, That's just the way it is, Or you just have to have faith, So then I of course got upset. Wondering how they could expect me to just accept and believe things on blind faith without any tangible proof. Especially when those things just didn't make sense. Even to a 14 year old. So I started doing my own research on religion. I researched a lot of different types looking for something that synced with me. After a few months I came upon Wicca and that was the closest thing to any religion that made any sense to me. Mainly because a lot of it had to deal with the energies of the world and things being in balance and it was a very nice, nature based religion. Gives you freedom to live your life as long as you are not harming others in the process. Just be who you are. So from 14 til about 6 months ago I considered myself Wiccan. Although I never really practiced the religion. Finally I just kind of realized that I don't need to follow any type of religion to be a good person or to be happy with my life. So now I consider myself Agnostic. I don't know whats out there. I don't know if there is one being ruling over everything or if the world is just made up of energies and spirits that come together to make us what we are. I just know that I am alive and a decent person and I like to ask questions and understand the way other people look at things. |
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Okay sorry guys, I wanted to post earlier but was at work and wasn't able to really dedicate any time to it. I grew up a Christian, went to church every Sunday, Baptized, went through first communion and all that fun stuff. Unfortunately I was at the age where I was still believing what anyone told me and not really thinking for myself. About the time I hit age 14 and I started thinking for myself, I started asking questions, and man did bad things hit the fan from there. No one would give me any type of actual answers for what I was asking without referring back to the bible and just saying, That's just the way it is, Or you just have to have faith, So then I of course got upset. Wondering how they could expect me to just accept and believe things on blind faith without any tangible proof. Especially when those things just didn't make sense. Even to a 14 year old. So I started doing my own research on religion. I researched a lot of different types looking for something that synced with me. After a few months I came upon Wicca and that was the closest thing to any religion that made any sense to me. Mainly because a lot of it had to deal with the energies of the world and things being in balance and it was a very nice, nature based religion. Gives you freedom to live your life as long as you are not harming others in the process. Just be who you are. So from 14 til about 6 months ago I considered myself Wiccan. Although I never really practiced the religion. Finally I just kind of realized that I don't need to follow any type of religion to be a good person or to be happy with my life. So now I consider myself Agnostic. I don't know whats out there. I don't know if there is one being ruling over everything or if the world is just made up of energies and spirits that come together to make us what we are. I just know that I am alive and a decent person and I like to ask questions and understand the way other people look at things. wow - thnx Rathil - now i feel i know you alot better also - great history - hi five
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Okay sorry guys, I wanted to post earlier but was at work and wasn't able to really dedicate any time to it. I grew up a Christian, went to church every Sunday, Baptized, went through first communion and all that fun stuff. Unfortunately I was at the age where I was still believing what anyone told me and not really thinking for myself. About the time I hit age 14 and I started thinking for myself, I started asking questions, and man did bad things hit the fan from there. No one would give me any type of actual answers for what I was asking without referring back to the bible and just saying, That's just the way it is, Or you just have to have faith, So then I of course got upset. Wondering how they could expect me to just accept and believe things on blind faith without any tangible proof. Especially when those things just didn't make sense. Even to a 14 year old. So I started doing my own research on religion. I researched a lot of different types looking for something that synced with me. After a few months I came upon Wicca and that was the closest thing to any religion that made any sense to me. Mainly because a lot of it had to deal with the energies of the world and things being in balance and it was a very nice, nature based religion. Gives you freedom to live your life as long as you are not harming others in the process. Just be who you are. So from 14 til about 6 months ago I considered myself Wiccan. Although I never really practiced the religion. Finally I just kind of realized that I don't need to follow any type of religion to be a good person or to be happy with my life. So now I consider myself Agnostic. I don't know whats out there. I don't know if there is one being ruling over everything or if the world is just made up of energies and spirits that come together to make us what we are. I just know that I am alive and a decent person and I like to ask questions and understand the way other people look at things. Thank you Rathil. I can relate to your story. My story of course had a different ending but none the less I can relate. Then again, I'm not dead yet so I guess my story hasn't ended yet. Everyday I learn and grow. Thank you for your part in helping me learn.
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ok guys. Time for me to go to bed. I will catch up with you tomorrow. In the mean time, I would love to hear from more of you that no longer believe. I am learning so much through this thread. I would also like to thank my brothers and sisters for showing restraint in not posting your objections to what they who don't believe post. I know this can be difficult for some of you and many of you may feel it necessary to defend Christianity but it isn't necessary here. I want this thread to be a safe place where they can tell their story without judgement while I learn from them in the process. THANK YOU
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ok guys. Time for me to go to bed. I will catch up with you tomorrow. In the mean time, I would love to hear from more of you that no longer believe. I am learning so much through this thread. I would also like to thank my brothers and sisters for showing restraint in not posting your objections to what they who don't believe post. I know this can be difficult for some of you and many of you may feel it necessary to defend Christianity but it isn't necessary here. I want this thread to be a safe place where they can tell their story without judgement while I learn from them in the process. THANK YOU nite cherub  sleep well
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nite Tribo
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Don Miguel Ruiz's
The Four Agreements A wonderful book of Toltec wisdom regarding understanding our development of personal perception. I have seen Christianity do wonderful things within people too. |
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Don Miguel Ruiz's The Four Agreements A wonderful book of Toltec wisdom regarding understanding our development of personal perception. I have seen Christianity do wonderful things within people too. thnx C 
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Edited by
tribo
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Wed 06/11/08 12:45 PM
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hmmmmm??? well one of three things must be happening - 1) no ones interested in posting anymore due to lack of interest or boredom. 2) i and abra and rathil are the only ones who "really fit the answer's desired from cherub. 3) i'm just bored and not patient enough to wait - hahahahaha
i know patience is a virtue - but i never claimed to be virtuess - 
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hmmmmm??? well one of three things must be happening - 1) no ones interested in posting anymore due to lack of interest or boredom. 2) i and abra and rathil are the only ones who "really fit the answer's desired from cherub. 3) i'm just bored and not patient enough to wait - hahahahaha i know patience is a virtue - but i never claimed to be virtuess - LOL!! This question was SOOOOO Yesterday! The really fad stuff is going on in the "The Ugly Face of Christianity" Thread. Also the homosexuality polls still seem to be thriving. |
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well put BB - i challenge you to this my friend - start seeking answers from within not from without yourself - for there you will find out who you truly are and from there the answers to all you seek will be most forth coming - i also must say that it was verses from the bible that lead me to the path i now am on - though i doubt any take the meaning as i have and spider no need to comment im not using it out of context - i'm using it only to say how i got to where i am - the gospel of JOHN - chpt.2 vs 23 thru 25 - " 23) Now when he was in jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miricles which he did. 24) But jesus did not commit himself unto them because he - ( KNEW ALL MEN ) 25) And needed not that any shoud testify of man - ( FOR HE KNEW WHAT WAS IN MAN ) that last part affected me quite dramatically - and started me on my search to know as a man - MYSELF firstly that i might know ALL MEN lastly. I've been seeking my own answers due to a path I was started on when I was young for many years. Once when responding to a aggressive converter I responded by telling her if she wanted to understand her "God" to put down her bible and contemplate a tree. I've read things from many religions, and spent a lot of times discussing spirituality and religion with people from a wide range of faiths. Because of this I have reached a point where in reality it is almost impossible to define my beliefs with a short explaination. The last time I was asked to define my faith or beliefs it led to a long discussion involving Q&A because in reality belief for anyone who truly is interested in what another human being thinks is more than I believe blah blah blah... My favorite sources of information were and have been the SCV bible, Voices of our Ancestors, The Four agreements, The reluctant messiah, Voices of the winds, nature, the collective energies of the world we live in, and countless people that I found enlightenment in one form or another in. My heroes I list in my heart and mind include a wide range of freedom fighters from different times and countries, the truly englightened people both alive and dead that gave gifts of enlightened knowledge to anyone caring enough to pay attention, and some of the more selfless people in history. Even if I can not achieve it completely I try to live up to the lessons they taught. |
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I really do appreciate those who did respond. THANK YOU
I am very impatient so I gave up on getting anymore answers than I got. Matter of fact, I have only been in these forums for a couple of weeks and they have already frustrated the daylights out of me.   The threads don't stay on the topic and some of my well meaning brothers and sisters in Christ in their persuit to save souls are only giving the non-believers more fuel for their fire. Then again, maybe I am just throwing a temper tantrum and need a nap. Peace and love to all.
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I blame man for man's imperfections. I blame a system of brainwashing and dogma for the corruption of people's spiritual followings. The Hebrew God had nothing to do with christianity, it's formation, or it's corruption of the spirituality or religion of people. Those that can not find their own way are forced to follow others. Those that can find their own path are more likely to accept with totality the teachings of others. Divorcing oneself from a system or establishment is seperate from divorcing oneself from spirituality or religion in general. Some call it being lost but I think of it as finding oneself, and realizing that an individual's personal path to enlightenment is more meaningful than submission to a system created by other humans. Any person within this system that truly follows their personal heart and is able to maintain spiritual integrity within this system is fine by me. It is those that let the system warp their spirits or corrupt their religion that I take issue with even if I realize that the source of damage is the system rather than their personal choice. I view them as victims of the system and rather than attack them as spiritual beings simply wish for them to allow themselves enough spiritual freedom and self respect to find themselves and their own true belief. I once was debating with a Christian who questioned my tendency to give Christians a lot of challenges to face regarding their faith. My answer was that anything I say whether I say it badly or perfectly is simply an attempt to free their mind and their soul. If my statements shake their faith it is meant to be shaken, and when someone is brainwashed by a system of dogma for a lifetime my statements should mean little to a true believer and would only change the views of a false believer without conviction who never took the time to examine their own beliefs realistically. (This is paraphrased I fail to remember the exact words used in the discussion on either side I only remember the concept.) WOW! This sounds like something the fallen human would say. It's apparent that you practiced "religion" & not did what was necessary to aquire your personal faith & relationship with God. Many have the same problem. You seem to blame your family when really you were forcing your own beliefs on THEM. How can you blame them for what you were doing? Maybe it's not them who isn't being realistic in their belief? I also think these terms like dogma are really being abused by unbelievers to the point of sounding like a cliche. I'm not sure where you are getting your ideas about Christians and temptation but I NEVER got that in ANY time of my life???? ...AND BTW, the Hebrew God is the same God as the Christian God in the person of Jesus. Belief in Christ is not the failure but man's own failure to submit to God that is the problem. I'm not a follower & do have discriminating sense... but I do recognize God in people & through them I am where I am today. That's what God does...He works THROUGH people. I'll take His manual which is God inspired over paganism anyday. that is both your right and your choice quick, but can we keep this thread on subject - its about cherub wanting answers from those who were christians that have left christianity and now believe differently - all black bird was doing was stating his case - for "cherub, as i asked spider and now you - i know you have evry right to say what you believe and feel how you feel but please if you must try to be patient and let the thread run it's coarse before posting your thoughts if you can manage your patient's ok? i really would like to see this post which is a continuation of my post in one sense find it's conclusion with little argueing as possible - thnx in advance LOL...that's what we have been saying all along to all of you. You just don't want any other ideas to be thrown down. I can respond to the insults hurled. Everything you say we do you all are doing... from the so called acts of self righteousness to insulting our faith. I realize you don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot but like you have said... it's here for discussion. BTW... giving reasons why we either left or still practice is part of the conversation..or is that just for the pagans to discuss without any accountability? |
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Tribo created a post titled “How Many”. He wanted to know how many were once involved in Christianity and now no longer believe or practice Christianity. My question is… Why did you leave? Was there a defining moment? Was there a straw that broke the camels back? If so, what was it? Did you read something other than the Bible that gave you an epiphany? BTW... giving reasons why we either left or still practice is part of the conversation..or is that just for the pagans to discuss without any accountability? Actually you are in error. The original post refers to why people left the Christian faith not why they are still Christian. This is why you were asked to wait until the thread ran its course. Why I left? Because the Bible is inconsistent. But mainly due to the intolerance of those who were of the church I went to. The attitude of being better than every one else. I didn't believe that this attitude fit in with the idea of love that was preached. The idea that I could never be as 'good' a Christian as them because I had been a Pagan. I decided that the beliefs I had held prior to that were more me, more to the way I saw things. I returned to wearing the Hammer. |
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Tribo created a post titled “How Many”. He wanted to know how many were once involved in Christianity and now no longer believe or practice Christianity. My question is… Why did you leave? Was there a defining moment? Was there a straw that broke the camels back? If so, what was it? Did you read something other than the Bible that gave you an epiphany? I'm all for relgion, spirituality, and each person seeking spiritual progression. I'm against conformity of the soul, spiritual or cultural slavery, and the use of pressure or threats to attempt to change another's views. I am also set dead against those that justify hatred and seperatism as religeous duty. WOW! I never had those experiences with any church I went to. I never experienced bigorty or seperation & the ridgedness in the physical sense. It's sad that that is what leads people to other gods. I know the difference between what the Bible says is sin & what I would say to those who don't know God. I would never want to insult or diminish someone no matter where they are at. I also know that to some to say certain things is sin is not to judge but to let people know that my God is in the restoration business. To always give hope. I think I speak not only for myself but many other Christians as well. I am sorry you had to experience that. It's not pity either. |
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