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Bait and trap!
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Where do amoebas fit into that? They most certainly perceive, but are not aware.  What makes you think they are not aware? Of course they are aware. To perceive, the perceiver must be consciously sensing? I find so much trouble equating this to the obvious. To the obvious? What are you referring to as the obvious? What then is the difference between awareness and self-awareness? Awareness is the ability to perceive. Self awareness is being aware that you are aware and that you have the ability to perceive. |
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Bait and trap! ********stepping discreetly stage left to hang in the wings with the Arty one*********----------------------------> ooops...that was right...I'll try again.... <--------------------------------- 
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My question...
Where do amoebas fit into that? They most certainly perceive, but are not aware. Your response... What makes you think they are not aware? Of course they are aware. Ok then... That respectfully wraps this up from my end. Be well JB... truly...  |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 06/13/08 12:17 AM
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My question... Where do amoebas fit into that? They most certainly perceive, but are not aware. Your response... What makes you think they are not aware? Of course they are aware. Ok then... That respectfully wraps this up from my end. Be well JB... truly... Hardly. You did not answer my question. What makes you think they are not aware? I think they are aware because the have the ability to sense vibrations. They could not sense vibrations if they were not aware. JB |
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Bait and trap! ********stepping discreetly stage left to hang in the wings with the Arty one*********----------------------------> ooops...that was right...I'll try again.... <--------------------------------- Pssst Jess ... I'm in the Zambonie ... I've always wanted to drive a Zambonie ...  hiya love ... 
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Hiya love...
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You are confused, and you and JB have it all backwards... I thought you were onto something and I was excited about it. My apologies if there’s been any emotional damage in the mix. I never meant for that to happen. From my point of view it was just a logical topic that I was truly interested in. Clearly there was a miscommunication concerning your original assertion. That’s a bit sad. Because had your original assertion held (as I had originally understood it), that would have been truly exciting. Unfortunately that doesn’t appear to be the case now. So everythings back to being a regular mundane world again I guess. |
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Edited by
Jess642
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Fri 06/13/08 12:20 AM
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Bait and trap! ********stepping discreetly stage left to hang in the wings with the Arty one*********----------------------------> ooops...that was right...I'll try again.... <--------------------------------- Pssst Jess ... I'm in the Zambonie ... I've always wanted to drive a Zambonie ... hiya love ... Here I was tracking the rubber marks of a unicycle..sheesh! no wonder I left right instead of left left... backatcha love. ( I just want in on the love thingo.. )
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Hiya love... 
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Bait and trap! ********stepping discreetly stage left to hang in the wings with the Arty one*********----------------------------> ooops...that was right...I'll try again.... <--------------------------------- Pssst Jess ... I'm in the Zambonie ... I've always wanted to drive a Zambonie ... hiya love ... Here I was tracking the rubber marks of a unicycle..sheesh! no wonder I left right instead of left left... backatcha love. ( I just want in on the love thingo.. ) you are in it too
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Aww Lee... you know that we love love you...
Mmmmmuuuah!!!!
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Time to go play with those amazing little people who call me Mum....
love to all of you, Zambonies, unicycles, aware oemebas, perceiving semantics, different views, and all... (we are not seperate)
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Have a great day Lee... Share the love within yourself...
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 06/13/08 12:30 AM
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Well I can't seem to get a strait answer out of you, Creative, no matter how simple I pose the question. You continue to play games.... Bait and trap?
I have asked you very direct questions and you do not answer. I have answered your questions as simply and basically as possible and you do not respond coherently or else you do not understand my answers. For you, our discussions are nothing more that a competition and your only goal is to appear to win. I think that's a little odd.  JB |
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Edited by
creativesoul
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Fri 06/13/08 12:43 AM
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Awareness
...having knowledge of something. Aware implies vigilance in observing or alertness in drawing inferences from what one experiences... Perception the result of perceiving... perceiving 1 a: to attain awareness or understanding of b: to regard as being such <perceived threats> <was perceived as a loser> 2: to become aware of through the senses; especially I guess it could go either way according to Webster... No winners. No losers. We just are. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 06/13/08 12:44 AM
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Awareness ...having knowledge of something. Aware implies vigilance in observing or alertness in drawing inferences from what one experiences... "vigilance in observing" means the same thing as : "the ability to perceive. PERCEIVE: To sense or feel vibrations. (observation does not have to be by way of sight, but even sight is the sensing of vibrations.) "alertness in drawing inferences from what one experiences" means the same thing as what I said.... "sensing and interpreting vibrations." alertness = sensing drawing inferences = interpreting experiences = perception JB Your definition is basically saying the same thing as mine only I have reduced reality to vibrations. |
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vigilance...
the quality or state of being vigilant. vigilant... alertly watchful especially to avoid danger |
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Things perceive stimulus and instinctively react accordingly without awareness. I’m still at a loss then why you don’t allow that computers can perceive without being aware? What are you demanding about perception that computers aren’t qualifying for here? That’s where I’m lost. You keep giving definitions for perception that appear to me to easily be applicable to robotic situations, yet you refuse to allow that computers can apply. But in all honesty Michael you seem to just beat around the bush all the time and never come back with a straight answer or a meaningful reason why computers don’t this. |
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But in all honesty Michael you seem to just beat around the bush all the time and never come back with a straight answer or a meaningful reason why computers don’t this. I honestly don't think he knows what he believes. |
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