Ok, I get tired of being told things like I have a "Hardened Heart", just because I don't believe in the biblical story. That's truly an uncalled-for personal insult aimed at my character. My reasons for not believing in the biblical story have absolutely nothing to do with emotions, compassion, or any other such thing. My reasons are purely based on reason. They are reasonable reasons.

Let's take the Great Flood as a prime example

God is said to be all-wise, and all-powerful. Not to mention all-loving.

God is perfect and omnipotent.

So what does God do?

First off he's a terrible parent/mentor. He waits until the whole world is corrupt before he acts. This supposedly all-wise God doesn't have the wisdom to nip things in the bud early on before they get so far out of control.

Fine, maybe he was on a legitimate vacation or something and just wasn't paying attention to his human pets. Maybe he has an excuse from his doctor or something. We can come up with an excuse for why the all-wise God does seemingly unwise things.

But now does he do?

He sees that the whole world is corrupt but a handful of people (all conveniently in the same family by the way! Even the in-laws just happen to be good people, but clearly not the rest of their families).

It's already an incredulous story.

So God asks these people to build a humongous boat to save the entire animal kingdom whilst he makes it rain for 40 days and 40 nights to drown out all the other people on the earth? Including all the little babies that can't possibly have been corrupted yet???

Not to mention killing all the innocent animals and muddying up the place really bad.

But why? Why use such a messy, almost mortal methods, of murder?

Why not just use his omnipotent magic and just give all the sinners heart attacks? Supposedly they were all having sex like crazy anyway, it should have been easy.

More to the point, if this God truly is omnipotent, then why not just wave his magic wand and make them all just disappear?

Why get the garden hose out and drown the entire planet like a mortal man would have to do??? So messy. So crude. So unwise.

I have a 'hardened heart' because I refuse to believe such utterly absurd nonsense?

I think not.

I find if I don't want people attacking my character I just don't post much in the religion forums, where character asassination is a regular and daily occurrence.

Pretty simple.

None the less, I posted this thread in the hope that maybe, just maybe, someone out there might see how absurd it is to judge people's character based on what philosophies they may or may not buy into.

truthfully you totally started on emotional impulse.....But unlike you abra I have taken the time to get to know you...I know your story and why you believe as you do....which is fine but as I was the one that said you have a hardened heart. And again I say deny it....for your only fooling yourself. You know I love you madly and for those that truly know the feral....she only speaks truth. I was in no way, shape or form judging your character as stating a fact.

And while were on the truth......it had nothing to do with what our individual beliefs are....just saying it as I see it. And all the people that truly know me....know I am no other way.

Ok, I get tired of being told things like I have a "Hardened Heart", just because I don't believe in the biblical story. That's truly an uncalled-for personal insult aimed at my character. My reasons for not believing in the biblical story have absolutely nothing to do with emotions, compassion, or any other such thing. My reasons are purely based on reason. They are reasonable reasons.

Let's take the Great Flood as a prime example

God is said to be all-wise, and all-powerful. Not to mention all-loving.

God is perfect and omnipotent.

So what does God do?

First off he's a terrible parent/mentor. He waits until the whole world is corrupt before he acts. This supposedly all-wise God doesn't have the wisdom to nip things in the bud early on before they get so far out of control.

Fine, maybe he was on a legitimate vacation or something and just wasn't paying attention to his human pets. Maybe he has an excuse from his doctor or something. We can come up with an excuse for why the all-wise God does seemingly unwise things.

But now does he do?

He sees that the whole world is corrupt but a handful of people (all conveniently in the same family by the way! Even the in-laws just happen to be good people, but clearly not the rest of their families).

It's already an incredulous story.

So God asks these people to build a humongous boat to save the entire animal kingdom whilst he makes it rain for 40 days and 40 nights to drown out all the other people on the earth? Including all the little babies that can't possibly have been corrupted yet???

Not to mention killing all the innocent animals and muddying up the place really bad.

But why? Why use such a messy, almost mortal methods, of murder?

Why not just use his omnipotent magic and just give all the sinners heart attacks? Supposedly they were all having sex like crazy anyway, it should have been easy.

More to the point, if this God truly is omnipotent, then why not just wave his magic wand and make them all just disappear?

Why get the garden hose out and drown the entire planet like a mortal man would have to do??? So messy. So crude. So unwise.

I have a 'hardened heart' because I refuse to believe such utterly absurd nonsense?

I think not.

You, James, do not have a hardened heart. You have simply slammed the door shut in the faces of these religious manipulators.

Jeannie

Maybe someone is not looking deep enough or seeing the message of your words.

I know, but they continue to craw under the doorsill and through the keyhole and any other place they can find.

I need to get some Duck Tape!

Maybe they have "Raid for Proselyizers".

Owl have to ask at the Customer Service Department next time I'm at Wal-mart.

Altough I really don't want to keep them. Maybe I just need to get some Proselyizer Repellent.

Or I could go to a sporting goods store and get Box Traps for Proselyizers. Then after I catch them owl take them over to Funches backyard and set them loose.

But Jeanniebean is trying to save me for herself.

ABRA! That wasn't very nice! What did Funches ever do to you to deserve that kind of hell and tortue?

Ok, maybe I do have a hardened heart after all.

Actually I like Funches. He's always been rude to me in very polite ways.

The only problem is that if I set the proselyizers free amoung other proselytizers they'll just come back again.

If I sic them on someone else then maybe that will distract them for a while.

I'm just trying to 'save' them from the can of Raid.

Feral, if your accusation that Abra has a "hardened heart" does not come from the what and why of his believe or non-belief in Christianity, then from whence did you get this impression that he has a "hardened heart?"

I see no evidence of it at all. His heart is simply closed to the dogma of the religion he found to be a lie.

JB

Abra, I have yet to see a hardened heart in you. I see a very compassionate, empathetic and feeling heart.

Maybe someone is not looking deep enough or seeing the message of your words. Not believing a book of stories does not make one hard of heart. Belief is a choice, if you are going to choose to believe the book, be ready for others not to, because it is a man made book, with no verification of validity. Such is a belief.