Topic: Gun's
Sir_Galahad's photo
Sat 06/07/08 07:44 PM


Oh goody! More bullets flying...

I don't need a gun to protect myself or my home. I believe in using less-than-lethal responses.



you may think that but when someone is breaking in to your place and has you staring down the barrel of a gun then your tune will change.


I had another thought on this: unless you have you gun IN YOUR HAND the whole time you're in your home, once someone is pointing their gun at you, isn't it a little late to get your gun out?

Winx's photo
Sat 06/07/08 08:06 PM



Oh goody! More bullets flying...

I don't need a gun to protect myself or my home. I believe in using less-than-lethal responses.



you may think that but when someone is breaking in to your place and has you staring down the barrel of a gun then your tune will change.


I had another thought on this: unless you have you gun IN YOUR HAND the whole time you're in your home, once someone is pointing their gun at you, isn't it a little late to get your gun out?


And what if they get the gun from you?

Sir_Galahad's photo
Sat 06/07/08 08:08 PM
Edited by Sir_Galahad on Sat 06/07/08 08:10 PM
You mean like the guy who got the woman's gun while she was busy taking a shower, and decided to rape her...while pointing her OWN gun at her?

I've personally got another issue with having a gun in MY home. What if my spouse or partner points the gun at me? Wants to shoot me? My wife was a schizophrenic, so that's not entirely an impossible idea--not to mention stories I've heard about one spouse shooting the other. Not divorced or separated people, but married people.

wyatt1844's photo
Sat 06/07/08 08:13 PM

I have no problem with people owning guns.

But here is the problem and I've seen it time and time again.

A person breaks into your home. You get your gun and shoot the person to protect yourself. Then the authorities come and you have to convince them as to why you thought you were justified in shooting that person. And if you aren't convincing enough, or if they thought you could of done things differently, then you become criminal, and the criminal becomes the victim.

So what's the point of having a gun to protect yourself if you are going to have to defend your reasons for using it in the end?


I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six....

Sir_Galahad's photo
Sat 06/07/08 08:18 PM
I can remember discussions of using EQUAL force. How about the cops that shot Sean Bell or Amadou Diallo? Both unarmed men. Both shot by gun-toters...that the public is supposed to TRUST with having weapons?

How do we determine that a gun owner is psychologically capable of owning a weapon? Even if the person is sane when the weapon is obtained, like Whitman, those with poor mental health are usually not people we want to own guns.

Sir_Galahad's photo
Tue 06/17/08 03:42 AM
The fact is...I just don't trust YOU with a gun. I'm not putting MY life in YOUR hands--because MY life is meaningless to you.

And that applies to any "you" out there.

dicimus01's photo
Tue 06/17/08 07:01 AM

The fact is...I just don't trust YOU with a gun. I'm not putting MY life in YOUR hands--because MY life is meaningless to you.

And that applies to any "you" out there.

That's OK you can trust me.

You crawl though my window and you can trust me to blow you apart.

You are free to have your veiws just be sure to learn about firearms. Lack of Education is the real killer here.

My mother is 78 and she doesn't like guns but if someone crawls through her window she will blow them away.

The thing is in the citys that have outlawed guns the crime rate has gone up.
A town in Texas passed a law requiring evey home to have one loaded weapon the crime rate is practically non existant. The cowards go to the city's with no weapons.

They outlawed firearms in Chicago, The police said they are out gunned.

franshade's photo
Tue 06/17/08 07:04 AM
ok who's gun is bigger???

yawn

adj4u's photo
Tue 06/17/08 07:25 AM
and you are supposed to trust the govt without one

the founding fathers made it a right for a reason

do i have to explain it again (glad i saved the explanation)


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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,

deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world

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****WHO IS GOING TO HOLD THE GOVT ACOUNTABL AND ENFORCE THE DECALRATION OF INDEPENDANCE

ENTER THE 2ND AMMENDMENT

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U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

Second Amendment - Bearing Arms

Amendment Text | Annotations

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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DEFINITIONS

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Main Entry: in•fringe
Pronunciation: in-'frinj
Function: verb
Inflected Forms: in•fringed; in•fring•ing
Etymology: Medieval Latin infringere, from Latin, to break, crush, from in- in + frangere to break
transitive verb : to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed —U.S. Constitution amendment II>; especially : to violate a holder's rights under (a copyright, patent, trademark, or trade name) intransitive verb : ENCROACH —in•fring•er noun
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

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to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another

en•croach (n-krch)
intr.v. en•croached, en•croach•ing, en•croach•es
1. To take another's possessions or rights gradually or stealthily: encroach on a neighbor's land.
2. To advance beyond proper or former limits: desert encroaching upon grassland.
3. Football To commit encroachment.

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peo•ple (ppl)
n. pl. people
1. Humans considered as a group or in indefinite numbers: People were dancing in the street. I met all sorts of people.
2. A body of persons living in the same country under one national government; a nationality.
3. pl. peo•ples A body of persons sharing a common religion, culture, language, or inherited condition of life.
4. Persons with regard to their residence, class, profession, or group: city people.
5. The mass of ordinary persons; the populace. Used with the: "those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes" Thomas Jefferson.
6. The citizens of a political unit, such as a nation or state; the electorate. Used with the.
7. Persons subordinate to or loyal to a ruler, superior, or employer: The queen showed great compassion for her people.
8. Family, relatives, or ancestors.
9. Informal Animals or other beings distinct from humans: Rabbits and squirrels are the furry little people of the woods

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/people

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SO IF THE GOVT INFRINGES (see DEFINITIONS)

THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE (SEE DEFINITIONS)

TO BEAR ARMS

WHO IS GOING TOENFORCE THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
WHEN THE GOVT BEGINS ABUSING THEIR POWERS

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deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

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AND BEGIN RESTRICTING THE

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men

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WHO WILL STEP IN AND REMOVE THE

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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

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AND INSTITUTE THE NEW GOVT

DO YOU THINK THE GOVT IS GOING TO DO IT

IT IS UP TO THE PEOPLE

AND TO DO SO THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ARMED

AN UNARMED PEOPLE ARE SLAVE TO THOSE IN POWER

AND THE GOVT ARE THE MASTERS

WHICH IS NOT WHAT IS WRITTEN IN

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE

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deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,


Sir_Galahad's photo
Tue 06/17/08 12:04 PM
I do not "consent" to be governed, I have nothing to do with the current system. I didn't vote for anyone in the system, and I'm not GOING to vote for anyone in the system.

I do not recognize the government as an authority in MY life. Now, if they want to FORCE the issue, I suppose they could kill me...but they haven't done it yet.

adj4u's photo
Tue 06/17/08 12:05 PM

I do not "consent" to be governed, I have nothing to do with the current system. I didn't vote for anyone in the system, and I'm not GOING to vote for anyone in the system.

I do not recognize the government as an authority in MY life. Now, if they want to FORCE the issue, I suppose they could kill me...but they haven't done it yet.



good luck w/that

Sir_Galahad's photo
Tue 06/17/08 12:09 PM
I pay taxes...but that comes out of my check automatically...so I don't have anything to do with that.

What other "contact" do you suppose I have with the government? I don't. I don't own any property...so I pay no property taxes, no car registration fees, etc.

Winx's photo
Tue 06/17/08 12:31 PM
Edited by Winx on Tue 06/17/08 12:33 PM

You mean like the guy who got the woman's gun while she was busy taking a shower, and decided to rape her...while pointing her OWN gun at her?

I've personally got another issue with having a gun in MY home. What if my spouse or partner points the gun at me? Wants to shoot me? My wife was a schizophrenic, so that's not entirely an impossible idea--not to mention stories I've heard about one spouse shooting the other. Not divorced or separated people, but married people.


Those are examples. The example that is on my mind is when the homeowner has the gun and the uninvited guest struggles with the homeowner and seizes the gun.



Sir_Galahad's photo
Thu 06/19/08 02:05 PM


The fact is...I just don't trust YOU with a gun. I'm not putting MY life in YOUR hands--because MY life is meaningless to you.

And that applies to any "you" out there.

That's OK you can trust me.

You crawl though my window and you can trust me to blow you apart.

You are free to have your veiws just be sure to learn about firearms. Lack of Education is the real killer here.

My mother is 78 and she doesn't like guns but if someone crawls through her window she will blow them away.

The thing is in the citys that have outlawed guns the crime rate has gone up.
A town in Texas passed a law requiring evey home to have one loaded weapon the crime rate is practically non existant. The cowards go to the city's with no weapons.

They outlawed firearms in Chicago, The police said they are out gunned.


I don't trust that you won't take it OUTSIDE your home. I don't trust that you won't shoot a family member--either accidentally or on purpose.

I've had one person break into my home. He stayed in a headlock until my wife got home.

adj4u's photo
Thu 06/19/08 02:30 PM
yep to bad no one trusted anyone to have a gun at virgina tech

or at columbine or any other place an idiot shoots people at random


when no one can be trusted with a gun only the untrustworthy will have one

no photo
Thu 06/19/08 03:07 PM
I prefer to throw rocks....indifferent

Sir_Galahad's photo
Thu 06/19/08 03:22 PM

yep to bad no one trusted anyone to have a gun at virgina tech

or at columbine or any other place an idiot shoots people at random


when no one can be trusted with a gun only the untrustworthy will have one


So make them harder to get. Too bad we trusted the cops that shot Sean Bell and Amadou Diallo WITH guns.

adj4u's photo
Thu 06/19/08 07:36 PM


yep to bad no one trusted anyone to have a gun at virgina tech

or at columbine or any other place an idiot shoots people at random


when no one can be trusted with a gun only the untrustworthy will have one


So make them harder to get. Too bad we trusted the cops that shot Sean Bell and Amadou Diallo WITH guns.


no they need to be easier to carry

if the perc thinks he might get shot back at then maybe they wont shoot to begin with

disarming the honest only makes them easier victims

Jess642's photo
Thu 06/19/08 08:25 PM
noway noway Can't touch this sucker.... been there done that... still got the scars....:wink: laugh

Winx's photo
Thu 06/19/08 08:29 PM

I pay taxes...but that comes out of my check automatically...so I don't have anything to do with that.

What other "contact" do you suppose I have with the government? I don't. I don't own any property...so I pay no property taxes, no car registration fees, etc.


Hmmm...interesting..no responsibilites like the rest of us folks.